I want to know 2 things before making any judgement calls.
Where were these Trump supporters standing, were they in the middle of the street or were they off to the side where you have to be trying in order to hit them.
Who was the driver (normal person or left wing radical)
Edit: Did not expect my post to get this much attention but cool.
I am told this was in a parking lot so they were not on the road. But I do have one last question.
Were the Trump supporters trying to keep people from leaving the parking lot?
If so, then this is their fault. We tell Marxists they deserve to get run over when they try and block traffic and that also applies to us.
But if not, then this was a deliberate attack and we must demand justice be served, especially if someone gets hurt or, God forbid it, dies.
Dude the trapped argument is utter bullshit. One she could reverse, and two it was a parking lot.
By the logic of "if people are in front of you, you can plow through them in a parking lot" is utter horseshit.
In Texas people do charity barbecues, they have county fairs, all sorts of events occurring in parking lots. You can't drive into a parking lot, into a crowd of people, and decide instead of reversing you're just going to mow people down. That's insane.
If this was a street or highway, totally different situation because traffic is expected routinely but when a business allows protestors in their parking lot and crowds form you absolutely can not just decide you're going through them.
One second they are switching drivers, doesn't seem to be much "threatening" going on (some guy is taking a pic of the plate), a second later the new driver is plowing through the crowd.
Need more info, but looks very fishy indeed.
Edit: Needs confirming, but hearing a lot of reports this was in a parking lot, so that completely debunks the whole innocently driving down a road that was being "blocked" by protestors ... on top of the fact that they were switching drivers for no apparent reason, of course.
This next bit is complete and pure tin foil hat speculation, but: in a another thread someone suggested that it might be a total set up. Meaning they would just need one "planted" person to attack the car, to make it look like the new driver was justified in plowing through the crowd ... absolutely bananas if there is any shred of truth to this.
Then again, not a lot of us expected that other Patriot to get hunted that night. Remember that picture of the coward hiding in wait around the corner of the parking garage entrance ?
There a small hit in the windshiled lower right corner..
Someone says "good luck getting out of here"
BUT no one in that scene is attacking the Person changing seats... I don`t see their lifes threatened in anyway. Most people are not looking at the car..
If the driver is surrounded and feeling intimidated...you never know if they will hit the gas, whether carpark or road (what is the difference? Who was the driver anyway?
She shouldn't have to back out. They should make the lane of travel in the parking lot available to her unless the property owner leased them the space to shut it down.
It typically happens when there is a gathering in a parking lot. People usually at least signal that they want to leave first instead of just suddenly plowing through people.
The car was standing still. There was no reason to drive through the people.
They switched drivers and the driver was angry. When the driver was walking around the car no one touched him.
People should not block you from leaving your parking spot but it doesn't give you the right to drive over them.
So it's possible the antifa folks where attacking the vehicle and the driver drive through everyone in the way to get to safety? Sounds like we need more details on if this was an attack or someone fleeing danger.
Nothing is clear from the video. Like most video clips of incidents like this, it starts in the middle, so we have no idea what was happening in the immediate perimeter of the car before it took off. If this was a crowd that included both Trump supporters and BLM/Antifa "protesters", there certainly could have been something happening that made the driver reasonably fear for her safety.
Facts first, judgement later.
If, as reported, the injuries happened in a parking lot, I'm not going to make any excuses for anyone conducting a rally or protest or counterprotest in a parking lot that hasn't been reserved for the purpose, and been blocked off so that no vehicles can come and go. If I'm in a car in a parking lot that I have a right to be in, and there's a crowd of people -- any people -- making it impossible for me to drive away freely when I want to, in the current environment, I'd hit the gas and get the hell out of Dodge too.
You're right, i didn't find the link when I first read the article, looks 100% deliberate. Do we know if the DA in that city has a history of letting these basturds off?
Some reports are saying there were "dueling" Trump supporters and BLM/Antifa "protesters". If I'm a driver in a parking lot I have a right to be in, and any kind of demonstrators are blocking me from driving to the exit, I shouldn't be under any obligation to determine the blockers' political affiliations before getting the hell out of Dodge.
I mean, have you ever been in a parking lot after the end of a show, game or the closing of an amusement park? Does anyone have the right to just run people over in the parking lot? Context is important. If a jury can find her reasonably under duress then so be it. The idea of anyone driving through people because they are being "blocked" is dumb and warrants some danger or fear of life. ie. people purposefully touching the car to forcefully enter or cause damage to property or persons.
If that happened here, then I don't blame her. If that didn't happen, then she needs to be held accountable.
There's a difference between a traffic jam and people deliberately gathering in an area where vehicles have a right to be driving. Also a difference between a crowd of people who were gathered for a specific event and are in the process of departing (very different from people just gathering in a parking lot or street and staying there). When a big game or other big spectator event finishes, there is normally paid, uniformed staff directing both pedestrian and vehicle traffic departing the venue. Obviously, I wouldn't condone anyone plowing into people or other vehicles in that kind of situation. But the minute a rowdy crowd stops following instructions from staff directing traffic (e.g. fans "protesting" a decision that affected who won the game), all bets are off. People have been killed in riots after big soccer games, because they weren't able to get away from the rioting "fans" in time.
With BLM-Antifa "protesters" present (per all accounts), even if there was only a small number of them compared to the number of Trump supporters, and people standing in the way of the vehicle proceeding toward an exit, the driver would have been reasonably fearful of what might happen if she was not able to drive away immediately. And I don't think any legal proceeding should be needed, if there's any video of people standing in front of her car who weren't actively and quickly getting out of the way. People shouldn't have to fear being bankrupted by legal proceedings, when deciding they need to get away from a volatile situation. It doesn't matter if they end up being "cleared" -- their lives can still be destroyed.
So you're saying she's expected to drive backwards to get away from the dueling crowds of demonstrators?? Nope. Stay away from the normal path of vehicles, and you won't get hurt.
Totally agree, but from the video it seems like it went:
Driver A gets out of the car, and switches with Driver B. Driver A then just walks away into the crow. Weird, and can't be that threatening if they are waltzing in and out of the car.
Driver B jolts forwards for unknown reasons, pushing into the crow, which in turn causes ...
Crowd to go wild, turn on car and smash back window, which in turn causes ...
Second plowing into crow, which is where I agree they gotta get the fuck out of there.
So we need more context for what lead to 2), because it would shift most of the blame for what happened thereafter.
I pray that those patriots are ok.
I want to know 2 things before making any judgement calls.
Where were these Trump supporters standing, were they in the middle of the street or were they off to the side where you have to be trying in order to hit them.
Who was the driver (normal person or left wing radical)
Edit: Did not expect my post to get this much attention but cool.
I am told this was in a parking lot so they were not on the road. But I do have one last question.
Were the Trump supporters trying to keep people from leaving the parking lot?
If so, then this is their fault. We tell Marxists they deserve to get run over when they try and block traffic and that also applies to us.
But if not, then this was a deliberate attack and we must demand justice be served, especially if someone gets hurt or, God forbid it, dies.
I'm with you. Don't block traffic no matter what side you're on.
Read the articles, no matter what side you're on.
This happened in a parking lot, I would say that's very different than a road.
Was the driver trapped? It's a valid question.
Watch the video. She was clear to back out and noone was touching her car.
Guy in the video clearly said good luck getting out of here.
Dude the trapped argument is utter bullshit. One she could reverse, and two it was a parking lot.
By the logic of "if people are in front of you, you can plow through them in a parking lot" is utter horseshit.
In Texas people do charity barbecues, they have county fairs, all sorts of events occurring in parking lots. You can't drive into a parking lot, into a crowd of people, and decide instead of reversing you're just going to mow people down. That's insane.
If this was a street or highway, totally different situation because traffic is expected routinely but when a business allows protestors in their parking lot and crowds form you absolutely can not just decide you're going through them.
VERY STRANGE INDEED. (second video down from top of this tweet):
One second they are switching drivers, doesn't seem to be much "threatening" going on (some guy is taking a pic of the plate), a second later the new driver is plowing through the crowd.
Need more info, but looks very fishy indeed.
Edit: Needs confirming, but hearing a lot of reports this was in a parking lot, so that completely debunks the whole innocently driving down a road that was being "blocked" by protestors ... on top of the fact that they were switching drivers for no apparent reason, of course.
This next bit is complete and pure tin foil hat speculation, but: in a another thread someone suggested that it might be a total set up. Meaning they would just need one "planted" person to attack the car, to make it look like the new driver was justified in plowing through the crowd ... absolutely bananas if there is any shred of truth to this.
Then again, not a lot of us expected that other Patriot to get hunted that night. Remember that picture of the coward hiding in wait around the corner of the parking garage entrance ?
MOST IMPORTANT PART OF THIS INCIDENT!
There a small hit in the windshiled lower right corner..
Someone says "good luck getting out of here"
BUT no one in that scene is attacking the Person changing seats... I don`t see their lifes threatened in anyway. Most people are not looking at the car..
Yep it's private and pedestrians have the right of way.
Were they crossing, or blocking? That matters.
Don't go fishing for ways to excuse hypocrisy.
It is very different than a road. Regardless, if a car wants through, why block them?
If the driver is surrounded and feeling intimidated...you never know if they will hit the gas, whether carpark or road (what is the difference? Who was the driver anyway?
Not true. Watch again, she was clear to back out her vehicle and noone attacking her
Why should she have to back out? This seems like their kind of shit.
Never block a vehicle with your body- you will lose regardless of your politics.
She shouldn't have to back out. They should make the lane of travel in the parking lot available to her unless the property owner leased them the space to shut it down.
They were in a parking lot though...
You can see the parked cars in front of the building in the video...did you not watch it or something?
They were in a parking lot. They were not blocking traffic.
It typically happens when there is a gathering in a parking lot. People usually at least signal that they want to leave first instead of just suddenly plowing through people.
The car was standing still. There was no reason to drive through the people. They switched drivers and the driver was angry. When the driver was walking around the car no one touched him.
People should not block you from leaving your parking spot but it doesn't give you the right to drive over them.
She had a clear path to reverse
fuck off
Who the fuck downvoted this lol
me for one
According to gateway pundit, incident occurred in parking lot.
Gateway pundit links to ABC 7 (headline):
https://abc7.com/car-drives-through-dueling-demonstrations-in-yorba-linda/6585266/
So it's possible the antifa folks where attacking the vehicle and the driver drive through everyone in the way to get to safety? Sounds like we need more details on if this was an attack or someone fleeing danger.
The video is in the linked article. The driver intentionally drove through a crowd of Trump supporters with the intent to hurt/kill them.
Nothing is clear from the video. Like most video clips of incidents like this, it starts in the middle, so we have no idea what was happening in the immediate perimeter of the car before it took off. If this was a crowd that included both Trump supporters and BLM/Antifa "protesters", there certainly could have been something happening that made the driver reasonably fear for her safety.
Facts first, judgement later.
If, as reported, the injuries happened in a parking lot, I'm not going to make any excuses for anyone conducting a rally or protest or counterprotest in a parking lot that hasn't been reserved for the purpose, and been blocked off so that no vehicles can come and go. If I'm in a car in a parking lot that I have a right to be in, and there's a crowd of people -- any people -- making it impossible for me to drive away freely when I want to, in the current environment, I'd hit the gas and get the hell out of Dodge too.
You're right, i didn't find the link when I first read the article, looks 100% deliberate. Do we know if the DA in that city has a history of letting these basturds off?
From the video I saw, the car didn't hit the gas until someone threw a rock into their rear windshield.
Hmm, I think we have 3 possible scenarios
Could have been an innocent bystander trying to escape the fighting between patriots and antifa.
Could have been antifa using a vehicle to try and kill Trump supporters.
The Trump supporters were acting like leftists by trying to block cars in the parking lot.
Still don’t know if there was an alternative path the car could have used to leave. If so then they are guilty of attempted murder.
That qualifies as option 2 for me.
It sure looks like they're off the road.
You sure about that?
Gateway pundit also links OC register (headline): Car rips through crowd at Black Lives Matter protest and counter-protest in Yorba Linda
https://www.ocregister.com/2020/09/26/black-lives-matter-protest-and-counter-protest-underway-in-yorba-linda-on-saturday/
Some reports are saying there were "dueling" Trump supporters and BLM/Antifa "protesters". If I'm a driver in a parking lot I have a right to be in, and any kind of demonstrators are blocking me from driving to the exit, I shouldn't be under any obligation to determine the blockers' political affiliations before getting the hell out of Dodge.
I mean, have you ever been in a parking lot after the end of a show, game or the closing of an amusement park? Does anyone have the right to just run people over in the parking lot? Context is important. If a jury can find her reasonably under duress then so be it. The idea of anyone driving through people because they are being "blocked" is dumb and warrants some danger or fear of life. ie. people purposefully touching the car to forcefully enter or cause damage to property or persons.
If that happened here, then I don't blame her. If that didn't happen, then she needs to be held accountable.
There's a difference between a traffic jam and people deliberately gathering in an area where vehicles have a right to be driving. Also a difference between a crowd of people who were gathered for a specific event and are in the process of departing (very different from people just gathering in a parking lot or street and staying there). When a big game or other big spectator event finishes, there is normally paid, uniformed staff directing both pedestrian and vehicle traffic departing the venue. Obviously, I wouldn't condone anyone plowing into people or other vehicles in that kind of situation. But the minute a rowdy crowd stops following instructions from staff directing traffic (e.g. fans "protesting" a decision that affected who won the game), all bets are off. People have been killed in riots after big soccer games, because they weren't able to get away from the rioting "fans" in time.
With BLM-Antifa "protesters" present (per all accounts), even if there was only a small number of them compared to the number of Trump supporters, and people standing in the way of the vehicle proceeding toward an exit, the driver would have been reasonably fearful of what might happen if she was not able to drive away immediately. And I don't think any legal proceeding should be needed, if there's any video of people standing in front of her car who weren't actively and quickly getting out of the way. People shouldn't have to fear being bankrupted by legal proceedings, when deciding they need to get away from a volatile situation. It doesn't matter if they end up being "cleared" -- their lives can still be destroyed.
Nobody was blocking her from the exit. She had a clear path to reverse her vehicle and noone was touching her vehicle.
So you're saying she's expected to drive backwards to get away from the dueling crowds of demonstrators?? Nope. Stay away from the normal path of vehicles, and you won't get hurt.
It was a parking lot. Watch the video. Noone touched her car before she drove it into the crowd.
What is that supposed to mean?
Glowy imo. Eye of Sauron has finally found us
I want to know this:
were they deliberately stopping vehicles to execute the drivers? Acting like the rioters? That's the only comparison that matters here.
If not, then Yorba Linda is the first place we wipe out.
No, in the video there is a switch in drivers (no idea why) and a second later they are plowing through people.
Extremely sus if you ask me.
If an angry mob surrounds you and tries to block you from leaving, you have every right to feel threatened.
If you feel threatened then why did you get out of the car? You've got to be a complete idiot to do that.
Totally agree, but from the video it seems like it went:
Driver A gets out of the car, and switches with Driver B. Driver A then just walks away into the crow. Weird, and can't be that threatening if they are waltzing in and out of the car.
Driver B jolts forwards for unknown reasons, pushing into the crow, which in turn causes ...
Crowd to go wild, turn on car and smash back window, which in turn causes ...
Second plowing into crow, which is where I agree they gotta get the fuck out of there.
So we need more context for what lead to 2), because it would shift most of the blame for what happened thereafter.
You answers are clear after watching videos of the incident.
I did watch the video, I can’t see what happened.
I don’t know if there was a clear exit for the car in question or if they were completely closed in.
There are multiple videos, one shows a clear path behind her.