Giving the black and hispanic communities better access to jobs, training, education, home ownership, first step/second step programs etc. are not "reparations." It's not strictly a handout of money, it's investing resources to help the members of the black community better themselves and pull their communities out of poverty by their own work. And that's ultimately what the black community needs. They need to pull themselves up and improve the urban poverty and gang culture. This gives individuals the opportunity to rise up out of those conditions, and hopefully bit by bit improve their communities.
As opposed to the democrat strategy to just keep them forever on welfare and squalor.
This is how we can increase black prosperity and improve the country at the same time. And when blacks start to prosper under their own power, they'll feel less victimized by society and it will hopefully ease racial tensions.
You have to remember, that a lot of black people are just born into shit situations and they get pulled into crime because its one of their only options since there are very few options available to them.
I think that these investments sound like a good idea.
EDIT: It's also important to note that the $400B in capital that they'll make available is in LENDING. Not a handout. It's an investment into their businesses that will help them get started and then pay back.
Now stop this type of bigotry of lack of self-agency. It is a choice to conduct or not conduct crime. Please just stop it. You same statement can be said of Whites who live in the mountains.
Again, stop with the lies. Nah, you are making the same argument that Slave owners were making in order to continue slavery. You should think long and hard about what you are saying. Believe me I do. It say this lightly.
Literally there are entire urban communities where there aren’t even grocery stores for them to shop for food at. They rely completely on church charity to bring foods to where they are. Investing money in these impoverished communities isn’t reparations at all and I don’t understand your slave owner analogy. I think you’re taking a very loose interpretation of reparations to make your point seem valid.
Wanting to encourage blacks to get educations, training, form businesses, make stable families and buying houses is the same argument as slave owners? Ok bro.
If it was targeting poor white communities that are high crime, or former criminals trying to re-enter the workforce, then yes I would be in favour of it. I think people deserve to have options available to them that they can choose instead of crime and poverty, if they're willing to work for it. If you deprive people of any other choices, then of course they'll turn to crime when they get desperate enough. I don't believe in pure handouts like the dems do, but I think incentives, tax breaks, loans, and other training and jobs programs can only be a good thing. I don't think it should necessarily be a race-based thing.
The thing is though that in the USA, the black community (not all of them, but in general) are in a particularly bad place socio-economically. Their communities are disproportionately poor, high crime, and with not a ton of options to escape from it. Some of this can be faulted on the culture that they foster, but I don't think any one individual can be faulted for falling into it. I think that the culture formed around the formation of the welfare state, and now the poverty and bad culture have formed a negative feedback loop that is extremely hard to get out of without some kind of help.
Let me try to explain a bit more. The black communities are poor because the welfare state promotes single motherhood. The fathers often leave or end up in jail or dead from gangbanging, which raises the next generation of kids in a world without stable families. This deprives them of proper psychological development, stable economic statuses, and education opportunities. This in turn makes them more likely to turn to crime, and not form stable families of their own. And the cycle repeats. The black community also has a very strong ingrained distrust in authorities like police and teachers, meaning that the culture discourages people from getting educated and rising out of their situations and fosters a strong victim culture that makes them think that all of their problems are due to systemic oppression and not (at least partially) their own failings. In addition, since these communities are so poor, they often cannot afford housing and are forced to pay rent, making it impossible to create generational wealth that can improve the community wealth over time.
All of these factors and more create a really strong vortex of poverty that is REALLY hard for individuals to escape without help. The only way to break this vicious cycle is for an outside force to come in and try to give enough people opportunities and motivation to rise out of it and better themselves and their communities. We need to promote stable two parent black families, home ownership, creation and management of black-owned businesses. The impoverished black community by and large does not have the means to achieve this on their own currently. We can't just give them money straight up because they'll just squander it. We have to give them the means and opportunity to make money on their own and become self-sufficient and give them something to hold on to and motivate them.
And bettering the black community can only benefit the USA in the long run (providing there are actually improvements, of course.)
Throwing more money at the problem has never fixed the black community. How many trillions has already been thrown at the problem.
Helping only one group of people by race isn't ok. Are you OK with SF giving money to non White pregnant women but not helping poor White pregnant women?
And when you get to the bottom of everything in this debate -
We are going to pay 'ONE WAY OR ANOTHER' (and I am not arguing for reparations - that is a stupid idea.)
Social Programs/Welfare and Disability and Prison Costs are THRU THE ROOF "PER PERSON"....
The real trick is to 'GET PEOPLE TO BE SELF SUFFICIENT.' And I really don't care how that happens. But it has to happen.
The DEMOCRATS burned this Family Unit - and that community' - to the ground....
we need to repair it - get them all back to work in WHATEVER CAPACITY THEY CAN ACHIEVE.
IN the final analysis 'WE ARE ALL BETTER OFF WHEN WE ARE ALL WORKING' -
cut down welfare lines, increase literacy, increase pride of workmanship, people pay their own way....
Debt spending drops... Government shrinks!!!!
The Nation Gains a 'CAN DO' attitude... Work is revered again.
FAMILIES CAN STAY TOGETHER....
Repair the workforce, and you repair the Family Unit - repair the Family, and you repair ALL SOCIETY.
Giving the black and hispanic communities better access to jobs, training, education, home ownership, first step/second step programs etc. are not "reparations." It's not strictly a handout of money, it's investing resources to help the members of the black community better themselves and pull their communities out of poverty by their own work. And that's ultimately what the black community needs. They need to pull themselves up and improve the urban poverty and gang culture. This gives individuals the opportunity to rise up out of those conditions, and hopefully bit by bit improve their communities.
As opposed to the democrat strategy to just keep them forever on welfare and squalor.
This is how we can increase black prosperity and improve the country at the same time. And when blacks start to prosper under their own power, they'll feel less victimized by society and it will hopefully ease racial tensions.
You have to remember, that a lot of black people are just born into shit situations and they get pulled into crime because its one of their only options since there are very few options available to them.
I think that these investments sound like a good idea.
EDIT: It's also important to note that the $400B in capital that they'll make available is in LENDING. Not a handout. It's an investment into their businesses that will help them get started and then pay back.
Now stop this type of bigotry of lack of self-agency. It is a choice to conduct or not conduct crime. Please just stop it. You same statement can be said of Whites who live in the mountains.
I'm not saying that they don't have agency. I'm saying that many, many black people have very few good options right now aside from crimes and gangs.
In fact my whole point hinges on giving them opportunities for them to use their agency to better themselves and their communities.
Again, stop with the lies. Nah, you are making the same argument that Slave owners were making in order to continue slavery. You should think long and hard about what you are saying. Believe me I do. It say this lightly.
Literally there are entire urban communities where there aren’t even grocery stores for them to shop for food at. They rely completely on church charity to bring foods to where they are. Investing money in these impoverished communities isn’t reparations at all and I don’t understand your slave owner analogy. I think you’re taking a very loose interpretation of reparations to make your point seem valid.
Wanting to encourage blacks to get educations, training, form businesses, make stable families and buying houses is the same argument as slave owners? Ok bro.
If it was targeting poor white communities that are high crime, or former criminals trying to re-enter the workforce, then yes I would be in favour of it. I think people deserve to have options available to them that they can choose instead of crime and poverty, if they're willing to work for it. If you deprive people of any other choices, then of course they'll turn to crime when they get desperate enough. I don't believe in pure handouts like the dems do, but I think incentives, tax breaks, loans, and other training and jobs programs can only be a good thing. I don't think it should necessarily be a race-based thing.
The thing is though that in the USA, the black community (not all of them, but in general) are in a particularly bad place socio-economically. Their communities are disproportionately poor, high crime, and with not a ton of options to escape from it. Some of this can be faulted on the culture that they foster, but I don't think any one individual can be faulted for falling into it. I think that the culture formed around the formation of the welfare state, and now the poverty and bad culture have formed a negative feedback loop that is extremely hard to get out of without some kind of help.
Let me try to explain a bit more. The black communities are poor because the welfare state promotes single motherhood. The fathers often leave or end up in jail or dead from gangbanging, which raises the next generation of kids in a world without stable families. This deprives them of proper psychological development, stable economic statuses, and education opportunities. This in turn makes them more likely to turn to crime, and not form stable families of their own. And the cycle repeats. The black community also has a very strong ingrained distrust in authorities like police and teachers, meaning that the culture discourages people from getting educated and rising out of their situations and fosters a strong victim culture that makes them think that all of their problems are due to systemic oppression and not (at least partially) their own failings. In addition, since these communities are so poor, they often cannot afford housing and are forced to pay rent, making it impossible to create generational wealth that can improve the community wealth over time.
All of these factors and more create a really strong vortex of poverty that is REALLY hard for individuals to escape without help. The only way to break this vicious cycle is for an outside force to come in and try to give enough people opportunities and motivation to rise out of it and better themselves and their communities. We need to promote stable two parent black families, home ownership, creation and management of black-owned businesses. The impoverished black community by and large does not have the means to achieve this on their own currently. We can't just give them money straight up because they'll just squander it. We have to give them the means and opportunity to make money on their own and become self-sufficient and give them something to hold on to and motivate them.
And bettering the black community can only benefit the USA in the long run (providing there are actually improvements, of course.)
So yeah, I'm ok with this.
Throwing more money at the problem has never fixed the black community. How many trillions has already been thrown at the problem.
Helping only one group of people by race isn't ok. Are you OK with SF giving money to non White pregnant women but not helping poor White pregnant women?
Some people are just 'more stupid'
Some people need 'special attention' -
And when you get to the bottom of everything in this debate -
We are going to pay 'ONE WAY OR ANOTHER' (and I am not arguing for reparations - that is a stupid idea.)
Social Programs/Welfare and Disability and Prison Costs are THRU THE ROOF "PER PERSON"....
The real trick is to 'GET PEOPLE TO BE SELF SUFFICIENT.' And I really don't care how that happens. But it has to happen.
The DEMOCRATS burned this Family Unit - and that community' - to the ground.... we need to repair it - get them all back to work in WHATEVER CAPACITY THEY CAN ACHIEVE.
IN the final analysis 'WE ARE ALL BETTER OFF WHEN WE ARE ALL WORKING' - cut down welfare lines, increase literacy, increase pride of workmanship, people pay their own way.... Debt spending drops... Government shrinks!!!!
The Nation Gains a 'CAN DO' attitude... Work is revered again.
FAMILIES CAN STAY TOGETHER....
Repair the workforce, and you repair the Family Unit - repair the Family, and you repair ALL SOCIETY.
Good luck to you Pede. I hope you have a great day