Zero evidence? For what? The man? His teachings? His crucifixion? His resurrection?
No real evidence of the man, the crucifixion, the resurrection, etc. (Rumors 60 years after he died don't count as evidence.)
"Teachings" attributed to him obviously exist. They were written long after his death, and rewritten and mistranslated many times since. They have historically been spun to justify just about anything.
This is obviously wrong. Roman, Jewish and of course Christian historians have accounts for his existence. This isn't even denied by atheist scholars. We have more accounts for Jesus than we do of the Roman emperor, Tiberius, at the time.
the crucifixion
Same thing. In fact, atheist scholars, such as those in the Jesus seminar, say that the singular most certain thing in Jesus' life was his death by crucifixion.
the resurrection
His disciples were martyred and held to their account that Jesus was resurrected. Even according to the non-Christian Jesus seminar, the account of Jesus dying, and resurrecting and appearing to his disciples and then to more than 500, was being said within months of his death - NOT 60 years after his death.
"Teachings"
Jesus' teachings were obviously captured in the part of the Bible called the New Testament. We have very reliable transmissions of them. There is a field of study called textual criticism where we try to assert what the original manuscript actually said. Through the numerous surviving manuscripts, some even going back to the 1st-2nd century, we can determine with pretty good reliability what they were. The very few things we are uncertain of existing in the original manuscripts have nothing to do with Jesus' teachings or have any theological implications about his death, burial, resurrection and purpose.
And just to be sure, I checked my thesaurus and “Faith” is not another word for “Lie”. But I see these untruths all the time in the devils work. You see your premise is wrong right outta the gate. You may not believe in God or Devil. But at the very least don’t be the Devils Fool or his useful idiot.
This conversation thread asked a question. I've answered it.
I know my position isn't popular here. We'll have to "agree to disagree".
I still have more in common with Christians than with socialists. No Christian has ever imposed his/her views on me by force. Socialists are an existential threat to the human civilization, while Christianity is a part of our shared cultural heritage (even for atheists).
Good. A person who "has no idea who Jesus is" is the one telling the truth. There's zero actual evidence.
Zero evidence? For what? The man? His teachings? His crucifixion? His resurrection?
No real evidence of the man, the crucifixion, the resurrection, etc. (Rumors 60 years after he died don't count as evidence.)
"Teachings" attributed to him obviously exist. They were written long after his death, and rewritten and mistranslated many times since. They have historically been spun to justify just about anything.
Ok, let's go one by one.
This is obviously wrong. Roman, Jewish and of course Christian historians have accounts for his existence. This isn't even denied by atheist scholars. We have more accounts for Jesus than we do of the Roman emperor, Tiberius, at the time.
Same thing. In fact, atheist scholars, such as those in the Jesus seminar, say that the singular most certain thing in Jesus' life was his death by crucifixion.
His disciples were martyred and held to their account that Jesus was resurrected. Even according to the non-Christian Jesus seminar, the account of Jesus dying, and resurrecting and appearing to his disciples and then to more than 500, was being said within months of his death - NOT 60 years after his death.
Jesus' teachings were obviously captured in the part of the Bible called the New Testament. We have very reliable transmissions of them. There is a field of study called textual criticism where we try to assert what the original manuscript actually said. Through the numerous surviving manuscripts, some even going back to the 1st-2nd century, we can determine with pretty good reliability what they were. The very few things we are uncertain of existing in the original manuscripts have nothing to do with Jesus' teachings or have any theological implications about his death, burial, resurrection and purpose.
We walk by faith , not by sight.
"Faith" is just another word for "lie".
Let's see if that works:
Do you have faith your spouse will not cheat on you?
or
Do you have lie your spouse will not cheat on you?
And just to be sure, I checked my thesaurus and “Faith” is not another word for “Lie”. But I see these untruths all the time in the devils work. You see your premise is wrong right outta the gate. You may not believe in God or Devil. But at the very least don’t be the Devils Fool or his useful idiot.
This conversation thread asked a question. I've answered it.
I know my position isn't popular here. We'll have to "agree to disagree".
I still have more in common with Christians than with socialists. No Christian has ever imposed his/her views on me by force. Socialists are an existential threat to the human civilization, while Christianity is a part of our shared cultural heritage (even for atheists).
Ah I have been there. Just keep living. You have much to learn.