You say he willingly sacrificed himself? But Jesus said himself he and the father are one. The way, the truth, the light.
Why couldn't god just stop lucifer instead of sacrificing himself in human form, to absolve the sin of man created by God? Seems a lot like how the Democrats operate. It's a racquet.
God didn’t create sin. We choose sin. Satan chose sin. Sin is separation from God, from His holiness, from His perfection. Sacrifices for atonement were made by human priests in the Old Testament for the sins of Israel. Jesus became the ultimate sacrifice, being the Son of God, creating perpetual atonement for all who believe, redeeming humanity from the corruption of sin. But we have to choose! God has never forced anyone to do anything. He won’t. It’s the gift of free will.
So God doesn't have a plan for all of us? What's his plan for the aborted babies?
I'm not trying to be an ass. I just want to know what you guys would say. My whole family is Catholic but I stopped going to church in college. My parents still believe but they don't go to church, I think I opened a lot of questions to them.
Think about what you are saying. God creates everything, including lucifer who was an angel. Why can't God just stop sin without having to believe in Jesus?
If god made a perfect world with no sin and no wrong actions we would have very limited options for our behavior. Imagine the ice cube maker in your refrigerator. It can't commit a sin because it's actions are limited.
That type of a world bereft of meaningful choice is not what God wanted to create. He wants souls that have had a choice between God and sin an chosen God. Would you want someone in your eternal home who hasn't chosen to be there?
What I wouldn't do is close the doors of my home to someone just because he didn't believe the fairy tales I told everyone to believe. In fact, that person is exhibiting free will. What about an aboriginal in Australia? I doubt they have much knowledge of christianity. Would you keep them from your house if they were outside and a tornado was coming through?
Lucifer is dealt with... neither God, nor His Son died for Lucifer. Now you and me on the other hand... I suppose if God was a Democrat He would be okay with having one set of rules for those He didn't like and another for those He did, but God is NOT a Democrat!
So yeah I'll stop at the beginning. I believe the Bible is a collection of stories, passages, and books. Of which we don't know the writers, when it was written, etc. The fact that it was written in hebrew, then translated multiple times to other languages, there's some things lost in that translation.
I need proof before I would accept it as true, and you can't use the bible to prove the bible. If that's the case, harry potter is real.
I believe our souls are pure energy, so God had to make a physical electrical pathway for us through His Son dying and making the trip first, so our energy can follow. As for why there is evil on Earth, there must be a need for us to struggle to get to the next life - like a butterfly must struggle out of its chysalis. You can see what giving people something for no work has done here on Earth!
So don't get angry at me. .
You say he willingly sacrificed himself? But Jesus said himself he and the father are one. The way, the truth, the light.
Why couldn't god just stop lucifer instead of sacrificing himself in human form, to absolve the sin of man created by God? Seems a lot like how the Democrats operate. It's a racquet.
God didn’t create sin. We choose sin. Satan chose sin. Sin is separation from God, from His holiness, from His perfection. Sacrifices for atonement were made by human priests in the Old Testament for the sins of Israel. Jesus became the ultimate sacrifice, being the Son of God, creating perpetual atonement for all who believe, redeeming humanity from the corruption of sin. But we have to choose! God has never forced anyone to do anything. He won’t. It’s the gift of free will.
God created everything. It literally says that in the first book.
So God doesn't have a plan for all of us? What's his plan for the aborted babies?
I'm not trying to be an ass. I just want to know what you guys would say. My whole family is Catholic but I stopped going to church in college. My parents still believe but they don't go to church, I think I opened a lot of questions to them.
Think about what you are saying. God creates everything, including lucifer who was an angel. Why can't God just stop sin without having to believe in Jesus?
If god made a perfect world with no sin and no wrong actions we would have very limited options for our behavior. Imagine the ice cube maker in your refrigerator. It can't commit a sin because it's actions are limited.
That type of a world bereft of meaningful choice is not what God wanted to create. He wants souls that have had a choice between God and sin an chosen God. Would you want someone in your eternal home who hasn't chosen to be there?
What I wouldn't do is close the doors of my home to someone just because he didn't believe the fairy tales I told everyone to believe. In fact, that person is exhibiting free will. What about an aboriginal in Australia? I doubt they have much knowledge of christianity. Would you keep them from your house if they were outside and a tornado was coming through?
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Lucifer is dealt with... neither God, nor His Son died for Lucifer. Now you and me on the other hand... I suppose if God was a Democrat He would be okay with having one set of rules for those He didn't like and another for those He did, but God is NOT a Democrat!
But why would you kill your own son if you are all powerful, all knowing, and all wise?
Have you ever looked at religion from outside the box?
So yeah I'll stop at the beginning. I believe the Bible is a collection of stories, passages, and books. Of which we don't know the writers, when it was written, etc. The fact that it was written in hebrew, then translated multiple times to other languages, there's some things lost in that translation.
I need proof before I would accept it as true, and you can't use the bible to prove the bible. If that's the case, harry potter is real.
I believe our souls are pure energy, so God had to make a physical electrical pathway for us through His Son dying and making the trip first, so our energy can follow. As for why there is evil on Earth, there must be a need for us to struggle to get to the next life - like a butterfly must struggle out of its chysalis. You can see what giving people something for no work has done here on Earth!
If our souls are pure energy, wouldn't that mean our souls would have mass, since we know e=mc²?
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