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XxxRDTPRNxxX 2 points ago +4 / -2

Define: Valid.

As in legally binding? Yes it's absolutely legally binding. That's not in dispute by anyone and we have 233 years of legal and historical precedent to confirm that.

Not valid as in you don't like it, and in your opinion it's a bad thing? Well, You're entitled to that opinion, via the legally binding constitution.

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HCQaddict 1 point ago +1 / -0

Remember this. I was censored.

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XxxRDTPRNxxX 1 point ago +2 / -1

I'm an atheist.. Would you care to debate if any of those characters even exist?

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HCQaddict 1 point ago +1 / -0

Sure! I'll take the position that Lucifer is Venus and Jesus is Lucifer.

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HCQaddict 0 points ago +1 / -1

LMAO. Good joke

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HCQaddict -1 points ago +1 / -2

Takes a valid government to validate it.

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XxxRDTPRNxxX 3 points ago +4 / -1

Does it really though? Your rights recognized in the constitution still exist when you are alone in the woods with just you and nature, and no government to influence anything.

The way I see it is the constitution does 2 things... 1.) Recognizes and affirms your natural rights that already exist. Rights that you have by nature (or God given as the founders put it).....

And 2.) Lays out the organization of a government that will not infringe on those rights.

Even without that organization layer of the constitution being applicable (ie you are alone in the woods) the natural rights still exist. Moreover, when you are alone in the woods there is no possibility for a government to infringe on your natural rights anyways, So that layer isn't relevant to you.

But if you come down off the mountains, into society, where there is a government and other people to interact with, The constitution demands that your natural rights be respected and protected.

So even when you are away from government control, Your constitutional rights are EVEN STRONGER, not weaker.

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HCQaddict -1 points ago +1 / -2

Great work!

  1. Thosee "founders" were the antifederalists who put natural rights in there and they didn't want a constitution in the first place.

  2. That organization of government is the wrong form of government to actually preserve those rights that they naturally infringe on. If a government 'owns' those woods you are alone in can you settle there? Your atheism is showing, my constitutional rights aren't stronger than the God (who your shithole government has to recognize) who gave them to me.

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XxxRDTPRNxxX 1 point ago +3 / -2

my constitutional rights aren't stronger than the God (who your shithole government has to recognize)

So, what shithole country do you come from? Mind giving me a little background on where you're from, what you believe and why? Also, lets stick to just one reply please. I can't keep track of 3 different conversations with the same person.


That organization of government is the wrong form of government to actually preserve those rights that they naturally infringe on.

Well, if we are governed by the constitution it's not the government infringing on our freedoms, but rather nature doing it. As in that's the nature of living with other people.

For example, In nature (alone in the woods) I have the freedom to swing my arms about as wildly as I want. But if I enter a community of other people, my freedom to swing my arms around ends at their face.

This isn't just because the government said I'm not allowed to do it. It's a natural law, because if I go around hitting everyone I meet, I'm not gonna live very long at all. I will naturally remove myself from the gene-pool if I don't follow this natural law.

So NATURALLY (as in due to nature) your freedoms are hindered and effected by your choice to live in communities with other people.

The constitution is just a frame work for which we navigate and manage these natural effects without killing each other.


Your atheism is showing, my constitutional rights aren't stronger than the God (who your shithole government has to recognize) who gave them to me.

Well like I said I don't believe in God at all. In this context "god given" just means existing in nature. It's just that as an atheist I disagree on where nature came from in the first place.

But I do agree with the founders and religious minded that these are natural inherent rights, not something government given.


Sure! I'll take the position that Lucifer is Venus and Jesus is Lucifer.

Ok. Well we know that Venus exists. If you wanna change the name of the planet to Lucifer... whatever... I guess Lucifer is real by that definition.

Just like trannies are real women when you change the definition.... Lucifer is real just like trans women are women.

Still don't believe in any of the supernatural biblical descriptions of Lucifer since that's not talking about a planet we know exists.

Also, I have seen no evidence that Jesus, the human historical figure, ever existed in the first place. Obviously I don't believe in Jesus the deity either. Just saying I haven't even been convinced Jesus the man was real, which would be a necessary first step for me to believe in his divinity.