Your problem is you take things too literally. To understand Christ and all the teachings of Christianity, you need a teacher. This stuff is too easy to misunderstand. To assume you know all these things after independent reading is utmost arrogance.
it is possible to be divinely inspired by god to do your own independent analysis.
however jesus is not lucifer and jehova is not ba'al. thats basically like what upper eschelon freemason's interpret it as. which is different from gnostic luciferians who actually believe god is a lying tyrant and lucifer rebelled for a good reason to free mankind and give them knowledge.
all of those interpretations are false. but thats where his idea comes from, idk if he independently came to the idea or actually was taught by them to believe it.
one does not need the churches directly to study. not anymore especially with the bible being publicly available and tons of sources to analyze and compare/contrast yourself from home online.
a lot of times teachers can be dead wrong.
a good example is the westboro baptist church. While homosexuality is a sin and abortion is clearly wrong, the methods they go about protesting the things are anti-christ.
christ himself said the only unforgivable sin is blasphemy against the holy spirit (essentially even murder, in gods eyes, is equivalent to excessive drinking by new testament standards where the old law of stoning people to death no longer applies)
he also said “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye"
so believe it or not many churches fall prey to false teachings.
last night on youtube I specifically saw a pastor committing heresy by claiming the types of food you eat affect salvation. Yes fast food is bad for you, but again according to jesus himself "[10] And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand: [11] Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man."
I never said it’s impossible. It’s just highly unlikely. Jesus himself had no teacher and arrived at these conclusions independently. But to proclaim that you can do it without guidance is incredibly arrogant.
Of course there will be false teachers. I was only referring to guidance by real teachers.
I’m gonna be real honest with you for a sec. you sound like an incredibly arrogant guy who’s just trying to show off knowledge. I don’t give a fuck if you’re the person who unearthed the Dead Sea scrolls. If you approach any “debate” with the intent of proving you are right, then you’re already lost.
Be honest with yourself. No one cares. I never accepted a debate with you. I understand your POV. You think I need to be led by a lied to person who can't think for themselves.
Your problem is you take things too literally. To understand Christ and all the teachings of Christianity, you need a teacher. This stuff is too easy to misunderstand. To assume you know all these things after independent reading is utmost arrogance.
I disagree with both of you.
it is possible to be divinely inspired by god to do your own independent analysis.
however jesus is not lucifer and jehova is not ba'al. thats basically like what upper eschelon freemason's interpret it as. which is different from gnostic luciferians who actually believe god is a lying tyrant and lucifer rebelled for a good reason to free mankind and give them knowledge.
all of those interpretations are false. but thats where his idea comes from, idk if he independently came to the idea or actually was taught by them to believe it.
one does not need the churches directly to study. not anymore especially with the bible being publicly available and tons of sources to analyze and compare/contrast yourself from home online.
a lot of times teachers can be dead wrong.
a good example is the westboro baptist church. While homosexuality is a sin and abortion is clearly wrong, the methods they go about protesting the things are anti-christ.
christ himself said the only unforgivable sin is blasphemy against the holy spirit (essentially even murder, in gods eyes, is equivalent to excessive drinking by new testament standards where the old law of stoning people to death no longer applies)
he also said “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye"
so believe it or not many churches fall prey to false teachings.
last night on youtube I specifically saw a pastor committing heresy by claiming the types of food you eat affect salvation. Yes fast food is bad for you, but again according to jesus himself "[10] And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand: [11] Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man."
I never said it’s impossible. It’s just highly unlikely. Jesus himself had no teacher and arrived at these conclusions independently. But to proclaim that you can do it without guidance is incredibly arrogant.
Of course there will be false teachers. I was only referring to guidance by real teachers.
Yeah. A teacher. Who was the righteous teacher in the dead sea scrolls?
I’m gonna be real honest with you for a sec. you sound like an incredibly arrogant guy who’s just trying to show off knowledge. I don’t give a fuck if you’re the person who unearthed the Dead Sea scrolls. If you approach any “debate” with the intent of proving you are right, then you’re already lost.
You made 0 attempts to understand my POV.
Be honest with yourself. No one cares. I never accepted a debate with you. I understand your POV. You think I need to be led by a lied to person who can't think for themselves.