Looking for a Garand right now. The Mosin is a 1955 arsenal rebuild for the cold war that never went hot. I have a 1943 Mosin that is in dog shit condition that might become an Obrez in the future.
Once PTR started making receivers for CETME rifles they started to get good. Older ones were put together poorly and the rear sights turned me off to them. HK drums are superior.
From left to right: PTR-91, German 1944 Kar 98k, Mosin Nagant, Chinese Type 56 SKS, Romanian Wasr-10/63 and a DPMS 14.5 (with permanent brake pinned) AR-15
I love those Type 56. I re-did the shellac on a buddy's (who was absolutely dumb and used a pressure washer to remove the cosmo, which not only didn't remove the cosmo well at all but also royally messed up the wood).
It looked pretty good when I was done. I used Ruby Red shellac flakes so the color is wrong for a ChiCom stock but it still looks great:
No reason to mess with mine, I just cleaned out the cosmo, baked in it the oven for a while, and cleaned up the metal with some Howard Feed N' Wax. I love it, shoots wonderfully as well. Great rifle to introduce people to firing a semi-auto rifle.
This is what you wanna use. I think slant eye wood is correct with the Orange/Amber shellac flakes but Garnet might look good, too, esp if you have an earlier serial number, which it looks like you might.
Get the denatured alcohol, brushes, and filters from them, too.
I'd recommend practicing first on some other lumber to get the process down. It took me a bit and I had to put on a few coats before sanding almost all of it off and then applying a final coat.
But based on the photo of yours, I wouldn't mess with it.
Oh yeah, and brushes for practice: hazard fraught sells some decent bristle brushes for a buck. I used those to practice and for the first few coats on the rifle, before realizing I needed to sand and finish it with a good brush.
I'm pretty big into surplus firearms, as is my neighbor and a couple of our friends (one old timer has a few million dollars into his collection, easily). I hate to mess with stuff, but in situations where you do need to do it (because someone else already butchered it), then you wanna do it right.
I then sanded down the wood with 200, then 400, and finally 800 grit paper. I hate to sand wood furniture ever but it was so beaten up and the pressure washer raised the grain so much, that it absolutely needed it. I didn't take off enough to hide all the old marks and divets, but it worked for some of them. I used some beeswax from a local apiarists on a few deeper divets to help hid them better before the shellac was applied. Rubbing it around on the stock a bit allowed it to pick up the dirt and color of the wood and it blended in very nicely.
Then I did two coats of purified boiled linseed oil (not the chemical-laden stuff from box stores), and let it dry out for about 3 weeks. The wood soaked it up and after drying it looked so good I almost wanted to leave it that way.
But... I did the shellac, it looked great when it was done, and my buddy was so happy with it that all he did was reimburse me for the shellac flakes. Thanks, guy.
I got mega lucky with that 98. It was sporterized vet bring back, they basically cut the stock up but left the barrel action intact with no mods and bought it for 150. I sourced some original 98K furniture and some metal parts and remilitarized it with little effort.
It looks like a CETME or HK G3 clone. A company called PTR Industries makes them. Unless it’s an original HK91 with wood furniture. Either way, one of the best .308 battle rifles of the Cold War.
Where can I get a Mosin and what is a fair price!!!???
Depends on condition, rarity and where you live. In my part of the country, they typically show up at gun shows for around $450-475, for both the 91/30s and the M44s. If you're looking for less-common variants -- say, a Finnish M39, a Russian M38 or an unissued Polish M44 -- expect to dig deeper into your pockets.
They were once cheap, but prices have been rising sharply.
So in other words, they are no longer manufactured at all?
Not since WWII.
Check out the Mosin-Nagant Forum for more extensive information:
Check online 250 to 300. Don't think you will get an immaculate rifle they vary in condition greatly and some assholes overprice their rusty rods like classic firearms. "Hand picked" a Mosin from them a while back and had deep rust pitting on the barrel. Bud's Gun shop might have some, but if you can inspect one yourself before buying that would be most ideal. Pop into a gun show you never know what you might find.
You know it's funny the older I get, the more I like the classics. I have a Brownells Retro M16A1 and it's incredible how light it is without any junk attached to it. My next build is gonna be CAR-15/GAU-5 clone.
My SKS only looks half as good as that. I just ordered a backup stock today that I’m going to treat (see: set on fire, sand, repeat, refinish) to make the wood nice and black. Wish me luck
Yeah I was pretty sure the spike bayonet is the giveaway with Norinco sks's. That's a fantastic rifle, I've seen guy ringing steele at 500+ yards with iron sights. Of course that's a precision shooter with hundreds of thousands of rounds under their belt.
Thank you always have room for more.
I really like that AK and that Mosin looks clean as a whistle. Mine looks like it was dragged through piss infested mud.
Your collection is almost identical to mine - you have good taste in firearms ;)
Looking for a Garand right now. The Mosin is a 1955 arsenal rebuild for the cold war that never went hot. I have a 1943 Mosin that is in dog shit condition that might become an Obrez in the future.
I had an old CETME (C? I think?)
Thing was a beast. Like 12lbs and the muzzle device on it annoyed anyone shooting next to me.
I love the G3 style but I really should've bought a PTR-91 instead
Once PTR started making receivers for CETME rifles they started to get good. Older ones were put together poorly and the rear sights turned me off to them. HK drums are superior.
Yeah, plus mine was old. Not sure how old but I'd 30 years? Not sure.
I sold it to a friend and he discovered the bolt (I believe) had a hairline crack in it. That rolling bolt system was interesting.
Spain wasn't known for great material quality, heat treating was poor. But there are plenty of spare parts out there.
I have original German Wood furniture on mine and it fits like a glove.
From left to right: PTR-91, German 1944 Kar 98k, Mosin Nagant, Chinese Type 56 SKS, Romanian Wasr-10/63 and a DPMS 14.5 (with permanent brake pinned) AR-15
I love those Type 56. I re-did the shellac on a buddy's (who was absolutely dumb and used a pressure washer to remove the cosmo, which not only didn't remove the cosmo well at all but also royally messed up the wood).
It looked pretty good when I was done. I used Ruby Red shellac flakes so the color is wrong for a ChiCom stock but it still looks great:
https://i.imgur.com/JcKHaek.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/xBfI0if.jpg
Mine is a "Ghost" Type 56, with a serial number before 200k: https://i.imgur.com/bsU6llp.jpg. It even has a rear sight with the Russian arshini units on it.
No reason to mess with mine, I just cleaned out the cosmo, baked in it the oven for a while, and cleaned up the metal with some Howard Feed N' Wax. I love it, shoots wonderfully as well. Great rifle to introduce people to firing a semi-auto rifle.
Yeah mine needs shellac redone as well. But its good for now.
Well, if you ever get into it: https://www.shellac.net/dewaxed_shellac.html
This is what you wanna use. I think slant eye wood is correct with the Orange/Amber shellac flakes but Garnet might look good, too, esp if you have an earlier serial number, which it looks like you might.
Get the denatured alcohol, brushes, and filters from them, too.
I'd recommend practicing first on some other lumber to get the process down. It took me a bit and I had to put on a few coats before sanding almost all of it off and then applying a final coat.
But based on the photo of yours, I wouldn't mess with it.
When I come back from deployment I will do that, thanks man.
Oh yeah, and brushes for practice: hazard fraught sells some decent bristle brushes for a buck. I used those to practice and for the first few coats on the rifle, before realizing I needed to sand and finish it with a good brush.
I'm pretty big into surplus firearms, as is my neighbor and a couple of our friends (one old timer has a few million dollars into his collection, easily). I hate to mess with stuff, but in situations where you do need to do it (because someone else already butchered it), then you wanna do it right.
So... just in case this helps you out:
https://i.imgur.com/uhrv9vz.jpg & https://i.imgur.com/2SkOqyH.jpg- this was the gun before I started. It was beat up pretty good, the pressure washer had removed some of the original shellac, and the grain was pretty raised because of it.
I stripped it all off with CitriStrip, which I have found to be pretty easy on wood furniture. It already looked better just by doing that.
But then I baked it in the oven on 160 for about 8 hours, wiping it down with paper towels every 30-45 minutes, to suck out as much cosmo as possible, and then spent some more time with critristrip and toothpicks to scrape away every drop of excess cosmo and shellac, especially in the grip area of the forend.
I then sanded down the wood with 200, then 400, and finally 800 grit paper. I hate to sand wood furniture ever but it was so beaten up and the pressure washer raised the grain so much, that it absolutely needed it. I didn't take off enough to hide all the old marks and divets, but it worked for some of them. I used some beeswax from a local apiarists on a few deeper divets to help hid them better before the shellac was applied. Rubbing it around on the stock a bit allowed it to pick up the dirt and color of the wood and it blended in very nicely.
Then I did two coats of purified boiled linseed oil (not the chemical-laden stuff from box stores), and let it dry out for about 3 weeks. The wood soaked it up and after drying it looked so good I almost wanted to leave it that way.
But... I did the shellac, it looked great when it was done, and my buddy was so happy with it that all he did was reimburse me for the shellac flakes. Thanks, guy.
I got mega lucky with that 98. It was sporterized vet bring back, they basically cut the stock up but left the barrel action intact with no mods and bought it for 150. I sourced some original 98K furniture and some metal parts and remilitarized it with little effort.
My friend got lucky as fuck and found a German K98 from 1936 all matching numbers. Been trying to buy it from him for quite sometime.
That's freaking sweet.
Bad ass!
Nice CETME.
PTR-91/ HK-91 G3 clone note the HK drum sight.
Very, very, very nice!
Gotta love the Mosin. She was my first love.
Mosins are a hoot to shoot.
It looks like a CETME or HK G3 clone. A company called PTR Industries makes them. Unless it’s an original HK91 with wood furniture. Either way, one of the best .308 battle rifles of the Cold War.
Century Arms has the remaining CETME surplus, theirs is the c308 Sporter.
They are built on PTR receivers now I just never liked their star rotating rear sights, very crude but otherwise great rifles.
PTR-91/ HK-91 G3 clone
Hell of a rifle right there. I've got one, if something goes down that's the one I'm grabbing.
Yeah it eats surplus ammo like a champ. Don't shoot anything you want to reload, it destroys brass due to the fluted chamber.
wow beautiful line up. What is the one all the way to the left?
You guys trolling. REEEEEEEEEEEE
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Nice, but the SKS should be displaying its bayonet.
Where can I get a Mosin and what is a fair price!!!???
Depends on condition, rarity and where you live. In my part of the country, they typically show up at gun shows for around $450-475, for both the 91/30s and the M44s. If you're looking for less-common variants -- say, a Finnish M39, a Russian M38 or an unissued Polish M44 -- expect to dig deeper into your pockets.
They were once cheap, but prices have been rising sharply.
Not since WWII.
Check out the Mosin-Nagant Forum for more extensive information:
https://www.gunboards.com/forums/the-collectors-forum-mosin-nagant-hq.3/
Thanks for the info. You guys are the best
Check online 250 to 300. Don't think you will get an immaculate rifle they vary in condition greatly and some assholes overprice their rusty rods like classic firearms. "Hand picked" a Mosin from them a while back and had deep rust pitting on the barrel. Bud's Gun shop might have some, but if you can inspect one yourself before buying that would be most ideal. Pop into a gun show you never know what you might find.
Thanks man. So in other words, they are no longer manufactured at all?
Yeah, but there are millions out there and crates keep popping up every once in a while.
They be like 400 for arsenal condition now. 600 if they are immaculate.
sings Mosin MAAAAAANNNNNNNN
The scav in me is so proud of you.
Nice SKS. I have a soft spot for them and like them a little more than the ak I think. Ive been looking for a paratrooper sks forever.
Funny you mention that, one dude I know recently picked up a paratrooper SKS Type 56 with a factory magazine well that accepts AK mags for about 675.
Damn. That is a deal.
Like immaculate condition too.
Beautiful wood furniture across the board. Kudos pede
You know it's funny the older I get, the more I like the classics. I have a Brownells Retro M16A1 and it's incredible how light it is without any junk attached to it. My next build is gonna be CAR-15/GAU-5 clone.
Very nice.
Well I was born behind the Iron Curtain.
It's a KVAR triangle folding stock for standard rear AK trunnion.
My SKS only looks half as good as that. I just ordered a backup stock today that I’m going to treat (see: set on fire, sand, repeat, refinish) to make the wood nice and black. Wish me luck
Norinco sks ? I've never seen a sks outside of china with the spike bayonet
Mine is a 1970s production Norinco SKS and are known to have spiked bayonet.
Yeah I was pretty sure the spike bayonet is the giveaway with Norinco sks's. That's a fantastic rifle, I've seen guy ringing steele at 500+ yards with iron sights. Of course that's a precision shooter with hundreds of thousands of rounds under their belt.