Smells like Soros. Switzerland has very high wages and very low crime, no problems, but somehow they need gun bans and whamins rights. I aint buyin it.
Switzerland. Mainly because Military service is mandatory there. With Soldiers being able to keep their issued weapons upon mustering out.
They’ve also banned foreign Military alliances in 1848. And have banned the recruitment of Swiss citizens by outside nations in 1878. Formally Ending a Mercenary culture they developed.
Though the practice had for the most part fell out of favor years before. The only surviving remnant of the Swiss Mercenaries are the Vatican Swiss Guard.
Only men (and women that volunteer) who are actively serving have full-auto capable weapons. When they leave they are given the option to purchase their service weapon but it then gets rendered semi-auto only. I think about a third of them opt to buy their military-issue rifles. Swiss ownership of non-military/hunting firearms is more common.
Wait, what? I've been living in Italy for two and 1/2 years as an American, are you saying I get a free hand gun if I become an Italian? Mama mia! Fortza Italia! Bippity bopitty sign me up!
Are you doing Jure Sanguinis? I've thought about it in the past, but there used to be a immediate Italian military service obligation (I think that's changed since). Did you use an immigration attorney? Italian bureaucracy paperwork is pretty overwhelming, especially because I am not fluent.
Yep a bit of a hassle since my dad is already a citizen so i only took his and my paper work and the comune told me I had to get everyone's paperwork from my last born ancestor in Italy (Great-Grandpa) so it slowed things down a bit then covid..... But I'll happily vote to help uncuck italy in the future.
It's been pretty straight forward back in Brazil we have family interprets of portuguese/italian, portuguese/english, etc so in that respect it's easier to follow the translation requirements and since we are pretty well known in our region we can get the paperwork done in the notary in 2 hours instead of the usual week of wait. What I needed was a negative certificate of naturalization proving my great grandpa never renounced his italian citizenship as well as marriage, birth and death certificate translated with the apostille of hague on each document (except birth since it was already an Italian document). Repeat for my grandpa and dad (except the nationality negative), and for me since I'm not married or dead was just a translated and apostilled birth certificate.
I came to Italy with very little Italian but I've been picking it up well enough, can't have a conversation at length but i understand more than I don't and have done this on my own. A lawyer probably helps but you can definitely do it on your own.
What I did was I got a permisso of soggiorno turned in my paperwork (first time it was incomplete they told me what I was missing) and now they're going to review it and issue me a permisso di residenza (which allows me to live in italy) and once i get my own place I wait for the vigili to pass confirm my residence and then I get my ID, tessora sanitaria and a bit later my passport.
My dad and grandpa did it a bit differently they did it through the local embassy pretty much the same paperwork however for personal reasons my citizenship process was never finished and for me to do it in Brazil would be up to 10 years; since it's been a few years since my dad gets his I would have to start the whole petition from scratch. My brother is going to do his through an U.S. embassy, I'm doing mine in Italy since I want to pick up the language and spend some time around here and possibly Germany since I have a background on wind turbines.
Thanks so much for that info. That's about what I understood. I'd have the same document requirements, but my grandfather was born at home and had never had a birth certificate, as far as we know. His name also changed during his life from an Italian first and middle name to English equivalents (sort of). It's a lot to sort out without an attorney, it seems. Good luck to you. It sounds like you kniw what you are doing and I hope you get good results.
I had spent about a month in Italy and I was able to pick up enough Italian to get along, but not really conversations. I did learn how to fare una bella figura, though. I was a little surprised at how much presentation and manners meant to them, but it was refreshing once I understood it. At least this was the case for the area I was in (Lucca). I think because I stayed in one city for more than a few weeks I was supposed to get a permesso di soggiorno, but everyone I talked to told me to ignore it because the bureaucracy is so bad.
Well the permisso di soggiorno is a bit redundant if you're not planning to do the paper work and just travel since it's the same length as a tourism visa so most tourist will do the dichiarizione di presenza. The permisso di soggiorno is a bit more detailed since someone claims responsibility for you and annexes you to their address so only then will a comune deal with you. It's a very bureaucratic system but once you start going through it you get used to it. About your grandpa I really have no idea how to even begin with that, but here's a tip: If he was born in Italy I've been told they accept baptism paper work as a form of birth certificate and the local churches keep those records.
Am I wrong in thinking that if you were to ask anyone who doesn't know Italian how to say Passport in Italian, they'd say exactly what's printed there on that passport?
As a 1st generation Italian American, my present day influence compels me to ask you all if Italian Lives Matter but the American in me denies that line of thinking. Continue with the meata-balla talk. I am enjoying the influence Italians have had, and continue to have, on America. Now tell me America doesn’t have the best Italians?...lol.
Keeping in line with the discussion of the day, my American side used to own many guns before losing them all in a boating accident. Sorry I won’t, err, can’t share them with you. Enjoy Sunday Gunday you filthy animals.
Got an ARX-100 last year when Academy was pricing them the same as mid-teir ARs.
Then I got a PX4 earlier this year before the CHYNA-VIRUS bullshit.
I used to carry a Glock 19 and had a Colt 6920. Glocks are fine handguns, but I like the PX4 better. There is something about the trigger that even in DA I have excellent first round accuracy and more accurate and quicker follow-up shots. I replaced the safety levers with low profile decocker levers and replaced the slide release with a low profile one. I can't think of a situation where I'll be in a hurry to decock so I don't mind that it's a little tedious.
The ARX is neat as hell. I still think an AR-15 shoots better and might be more accurate on average, but I don't feel like I'll miss anything out to 300 yards. People have complained about the trigger, but my impression is that while it's about twice a heavy as a standard AR trigger, it has a much cleaner feel.
It's a bit heavier than the G19, and a bit thicker. How is recoil management on it as compared to the G19? I have been intrigued by the rotating bolt they use as opposed to the normal Browning titling barrel action.
I only have experience with the full-size so these might not translate to the compact.
I'm a lard-ass so it might not be surprising to hear that I have no problem concealing it. The biggest hurdle is going to be finding a good holster. Beretta sells some on their website and I got a half leather half kydex one and it's kinda garbage in my opinion, but it's what I got right now.
I haven't shot every 9mm out there, but it's very soft shooting. The lightest recoiling that I have ever shot. It seems like the sights settle back right where they were just as soon as you reset the trigger.
I gave my ex a beretta 96 .40 for protection, 4 mags, 2 different holsters, and two boxes of ammo. She is very tall and has big hands, so its perfect for her. Lots of safety features. I keep telling her to buy more ammo but she no listen
The 96 is a sweet pistol. I got my Italian made model a few years ago for surprisingly cheap. I put some factory wood grips on it and it's one of my favorites now.
Italy is not exactly a bastion of gun rights and firearm ownership. However, per capita, Italy has more concealed carry permits than the state of New Jersey - which has constitutionally enshrined protections for the right to keep and bear arms.
It makes me sad to know that New Jersey claims to be one of the 50 states in America.
I read that their courts have recently realized that people should be able to defend themselves with lethal force instead of throwing a victim in prison for "murder". The mindset of not giving two shits about criminals has started taking hold.
This has resulted in a lot of Italians applying for sport shooting licenses because it's the cheapest and easiest license to get as a requisite for firearm ownership.
There is a little haven called Kennesaw GA. About 15 miles north of Atlanta GA. It's in Cobb co. All Kennesaw residents are required to own firearms. The city has one if the lowest crime rates in GA tucked in the city with one of the highest violent crime rates. The last area I would enter if I'm a criminal.
Would you care to expand on this pede? Someone close to me just claimed their Italian citizenship too (and even voted to shrink Parliament in the plebiscite last week), but knows nothing about any Beretta.
Isnt there a county in Georgia that requires every household to have a firearm?
That country just passed gun bans and has women marching on the streets complaining about rights.
Smells like Soros. Switzerland has very high wages and very low crime, no problems, but somehow they need gun bans and whamins rights. I aint buyin it.
A lot of people in Switzerland ain't Swiss.
The UN is a thoroughly corrupt and evil organization of rapists & pillagers that needs to be destroyed ASAP
UN or EU? Both?
Which smells like Soros
Swiss time is running out.
They should apply for Annexation. Switzerland is one of the most beautiful places on the planet, would be ok having it as a US territory.
It seemed that we would lose the race.
That happened relatively recently. "Diversity is our strength!" Yeah, bullshit.
The global Left will not stop, pure evil
I have heard that has been reversing in recent years and about time.
Switzerland. Mainly because Military service is mandatory there. With Soldiers being able to keep their issued weapons upon mustering out.
They’ve also banned foreign Military alliances in 1848. And have banned the recruitment of Swiss citizens by outside nations in 1878. Formally Ending a Mercenary culture they developed.
Though the practice had for the most part fell out of favor years before. The only surviving remnant of the Swiss Mercenaries are the Vatican Swiss Guard.
Only men (and women that volunteer) who are actively serving have full-auto capable weapons. When they leave they are given the option to purchase their service weapon but it then gets rendered semi-auto only. I think about a third of them opt to buy their military-issue rifles. Swiss ownership of non-military/hunting firearms is more common.
They don't get invaded? Have you looked at the country recently?
Nelson, Georgia recently passed its Family Protection Ordinance requiring the head of every household to own a gun and the ammo for it.
Kennesaw Georgia requires home owners to own a firearm excluding felons and people with disabilities that wouldn’t allow them to use said gun.
Nucla became the first city to mandate gun ownership in Colorado.
With just around 700 people, Nucla passed what they call the "Home Protection Ordinance" in 2013, but does not actually enforce it.
Gun Barrel City, Texas got its fitting name as a safe haven for outlaws during the Prohibition era. The city's motto is "We shoot straight with you."
Virgin, Utah In 2000, the city council passed a similar ordinance.
God Bless the U.S.A.!!
Should be the whole country. God bless the USA.
Kennesaw GA
I think Switzerland does too.
Kennesaw Ga requires every citizen to own a firearm.
Ahh damn I love this country.
Wait, what? I've been living in Italy for two and 1/2 years as an American, are you saying I get a free hand gun if I become an Italian? Mama mia! Fortza Italia! Bippity bopitty sign me up!
My italian citizenship is being processed by the comune as we speak. I guess next time I go in I'll have to ask "quando ricevo la mia pistola beretta"
Are you doing Jure Sanguinis? I've thought about it in the past, but there used to be a immediate Italian military service obligation (I think that's changed since). Did you use an immigration attorney? Italian bureaucracy paperwork is pretty overwhelming, especially because I am not fluent.
Yep a bit of a hassle since my dad is already a citizen so i only took his and my paper work and the comune told me I had to get everyone's paperwork from my last born ancestor in Italy (Great-Grandpa) so it slowed things down a bit then covid..... But I'll happily vote to help uncuck italy in the future.
It's been pretty straight forward back in Brazil we have family interprets of portuguese/italian, portuguese/english, etc so in that respect it's easier to follow the translation requirements and since we are pretty well known in our region we can get the paperwork done in the notary in 2 hours instead of the usual week of wait. What I needed was a negative certificate of naturalization proving my great grandpa never renounced his italian citizenship as well as marriage, birth and death certificate translated with the apostille of hague on each document (except birth since it was already an Italian document). Repeat for my grandpa and dad (except the nationality negative), and for me since I'm not married or dead was just a translated and apostilled birth certificate.
I came to Italy with very little Italian but I've been picking it up well enough, can't have a conversation at length but i understand more than I don't and have done this on my own. A lawyer probably helps but you can definitely do it on your own.
What I did was I got a permisso of soggiorno turned in my paperwork (first time it was incomplete they told me what I was missing) and now they're going to review it and issue me a permisso di residenza (which allows me to live in italy) and once i get my own place I wait for the vigili to pass confirm my residence and then I get my ID, tessora sanitaria and a bit later my passport.
My dad and grandpa did it a bit differently they did it through the local embassy pretty much the same paperwork however for personal reasons my citizenship process was never finished and for me to do it in Brazil would be up to 10 years; since it's been a few years since my dad gets his I would have to start the whole petition from scratch. My brother is going to do his through an U.S. embassy, I'm doing mine in Italy since I want to pick up the language and spend some time around here and possibly Germany since I have a background on wind turbines.
Thanks so much for that info. That's about what I understood. I'd have the same document requirements, but my grandfather was born at home and had never had a birth certificate, as far as we know. His name also changed during his life from an Italian first and middle name to English equivalents (sort of). It's a lot to sort out without an attorney, it seems. Good luck to you. It sounds like you kniw what you are doing and I hope you get good results.
I had spent about a month in Italy and I was able to pick up enough Italian to get along, but not really conversations. I did learn how to fare una bella figura, though. I was a little surprised at how much presentation and manners meant to them, but it was refreshing once I understood it. At least this was the case for the area I was in (Lucca). I think because I stayed in one city for more than a few weeks I was supposed to get a permesso di soggiorno, but everyone I talked to told me to ignore it because the bureaucracy is so bad.
Well the permisso di soggiorno is a bit redundant if you're not planning to do the paper work and just travel since it's the same length as a tourism visa so most tourist will do the dichiarizione di presenza. The permisso di soggiorno is a bit more detailed since someone claims responsibility for you and annexes you to their address so only then will a comune deal with you. It's a very bureaucratic system but once you start going through it you get used to it. About your grandpa I really have no idea how to even begin with that, but here's a tip: If he was born in Italy I've been told they accept baptism paper work as a form of birth certificate and the local churches keep those records.
That'sa spicyyy meat-a-balllaaa!
also
Imma gonna wiiiiinn! waaaaaaaa
That last one may or may not be based on a fictional bitter go-kart driver.
Greece gives you a free child to diddle if you become a citizen. Ask Tom Hanks.
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60 million Italian citizens: "How come I didn't get a Beretta? Did you get a Beretta?"
(Angry hand gestures)
...Aaaaand that's why!
Am I wrong in thinking that if you were to ask anyone who doesn't know Italian how to say Passport in Italian, they'd say exactly what's printed there on that passport?
That’s the commie red EU passaporto. Brits changed theirs back to blue. I suspect Italy will go green when they bail out.
Wait what?
As a 1st generation Italian American, my present day influence compels me to ask you all if Italian Lives Matter but the American in me denies that line of thinking. Continue with the meata-balla talk. I am enjoying the influence Italians have had, and continue to have, on America. Now tell me America doesn’t have the best Italians?...lol.
you know it, I know it, everyone knows it
Keeping in line with the discussion of the day, my American side used to own many guns before losing them all in a boating accident. Sorry I won’t, err, can’t share them with you. Enjoy Sunday Gunday you filthy animals.
We love Italians. MAGA + MIGA
They hand out American made Berettas?
KEK
Didn't even check until your comment.
Based.
I'm a recent Beretta convert.
Got an ARX-100 last year when Academy was pricing them the same as mid-teir ARs.
Then I got a PX4 earlier this year before the CHYNA-VIRUS bullshit.
I used to carry a Glock 19 and had a Colt 6920. Glocks are fine handguns, but I like the PX4 better. There is something about the trigger that even in DA I have excellent first round accuracy and more accurate and quicker follow-up shots. I replaced the safety levers with low profile decocker levers and replaced the slide release with a low profile one. I can't think of a situation where I'll be in a hurry to decock so I don't mind that it's a little tedious.
The ARX is neat as hell. I still think an AR-15 shoots better and might be more accurate on average, but I don't feel like I'll miss anything out to 300 yards. People have complained about the trigger, but my impression is that while it's about twice a heavy as a standard AR trigger, it has a much cleaner feel.
That's interesting to hear about the PX4. I'm not a Glock guy at all and I've thought about adding a DA/SA firearm to my rotation.
https://www.handgunhero.com/compare/glock-g19-vs-beretta-px4-storm-compact
It's a bit heavier than the G19, and a bit thicker. How is recoil management on it as compared to the G19? I have been intrigued by the rotating bolt they use as opposed to the normal Browning titling barrel action.
I only have experience with the full-size so these might not translate to the compact.
I'm a lard-ass so it might not be surprising to hear that I have no problem concealing it. The biggest hurdle is going to be finding a good holster. Beretta sells some on their website and I got a half leather half kydex one and it's kinda garbage in my opinion, but it's what I got right now.
I haven't shot every 9mm out there, but it's very soft shooting. The lightest recoiling that I have ever shot. It seems like the sights settle back right where they were just as soon as you reset the trigger.
Take the gun and cannolis!
Contemplating trying to obtain Italian citizenship.
Probably cheaper to just buy a Beretta.
Right now it might be a wash between the two actually.
Lord only knows how much you could sell a Beretta for right now.
I actually found some at Cabelas for decent prices! I'm kind of surprised. Cabela Berettas
I gave my ex a beretta 96 .40 for protection, 4 mags, 2 different holsters, and two boxes of ammo. She is very tall and has big hands, so its perfect for her. Lots of safety features. I keep telling her to buy more ammo but she no listen
The 96 is a sweet pistol. I got my Italian made model a few years ago for surprisingly cheap. I put some factory wood grips on it and it's one of my favorites now.
Bravo, signore!
Italy is one of the more based countries in Europe recently (besides Switzerland) when it comes to firearms
Italy is not exactly a bastion of gun rights and firearm ownership. However, per capita, Italy has more concealed carry permits than the state of New Jersey - which has constitutionally enshrined protections for the right to keep and bear arms.
It makes me sad to know that New Jersey claims to be one of the 50 states in America.
I read that their courts have recently realized that people should be able to defend themselves with lethal force instead of throwing a victim in prison for "murder". The mindset of not giving two shits about criminals has started taking hold.
This has resulted in a lot of Italians applying for sport shooting licenses because it's the cheapest and easiest license to get as a requisite for firearm ownership.
Source?
Source is the OP's sense of humor.
This sounds like this should be the most American thing ever. You get a gun, you get a gun, everyone gets a gun!
Is this true? Of those immigrants from North Africa and elsewhere, did they give them Berettas too? The ones that got citizenship anyways.
No and no.
She’s a beauty, pasta bro
There is a little haven called Kennesaw GA. About 15 miles north of Atlanta GA. It's in Cobb co. All Kennesaw residents are required to own firearms. The city has one if the lowest crime rates in GA tucked in the city with one of the highest violent crime rates. The last area I would enter if I'm a criminal.
I was born in Cobb county.
This may explain my gunlust.
Red passport... Italian military? If so, what's your opinion of the AR70/90? Thinking of doing a build.
Normal EU passports are red.
Do they really? ##BRILLIANT##
No. ##JOKE##
I see you found the best handgun
Which caliber? If i recall correctly, you can't have military rounds there. So no 9x19 for civilians
Do you do the same when people from shitholes country became Italian citizen?? That can't be smart.
dang its so nice!
Wait, really?
No of course not.
I got a few real nice, worn holsters for Berettas from my time in the Army. I think I need to buy a Beretta.
This should be the law in the US -
Become a citizen? Exercise your Second Amendment.
Oh you dont like it? No citizenship for you.
I <3 92 series
Would you care to expand on this pede? Someone close to me just claimed their Italian citizenship too (and even voted to shrink Parliament in the plebiscite last week), but knows nothing about any Beretta.
Straight out of Italia.
what?
Not a big fan of Berettas.
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