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Correct. 1977 surplus ammo listed as “hard primered” ...higher reliability expected when fed through the Yugo M57’s. I don’t have the means to test and/or support said claim.
Yes although most tok ammo has always had modern properties. It was always a high velocity round relative to other pistols (old ammo was 1500-1600 fps)... and coupled with the small 30 cal bullet; it can slip through some level 3 armor.
762 tok is basically an identical loading to 9x19. The difference being a slightly neck down cart and a light projectile.
Its purpose designed to be awesome, but you can get similar ft/lb and velocity results by putting a 60 grain in 9x19. Like liberty civil defense all copper hollow point ammo.
I dunno why there arent moreconversion kits out there for making other guns into 762 tok.
I dunno why there arent moreconversion kits out there for making other guns into 762 tok.
It sounds cool, but there aren't giant piles of 7.62 tok everywhere like 9mm, which you pointed out is the same thing. There isn't a use for such things outside of being eccentric.
The one value of the tok is that it is similar to 9x19 but you can have a lighter bullet in a smaller package rather than trying to upscale a light bullet to 9mm size, so it can be full lead with a jacket instead of relying on light weight metals like coppers with a larger mathematical area.
Basically the same loading with the exception of the case is different, the bullet is different, the velocity is different and the powder is different, other than that it is the same.
And 7.62x25 hardball penetrates a lot more than 9mm. Lighter bullet going very fast for a pistol round (357 fast or better); makes a smaller hole but will go through more on the way.
That is the problem, it goes clean through without tumbling. On the plus side the 2ft long fireball that comes out of the muzzle will incinerate your attacker.
There is hollowpoint ammo that you can get that fixes the over-penetration problem.
it isn't a knock off. the hammer trigger mainstpring assembly is completely different. The 1903 hammerless is a blowback action the 1903 hammer is a double hinged barrel locking action. It was influenced by the 1911 and 1903 sure, but so was every gun afterward.
BTW the M57 is one of the best Tokarevs but get a surplus one, they make new ones that are absolute garbage.
I have a Zastava M70A chambered in 9MM. I couldn't pass it up at $200 for an all steel pistol. It had a few issues out of the box, but nothing a bit of minor work couldn't fix. I upgraded the grips to factory wood and that made a big improvement both in look and feel.
You must be like an executive or something. Damn that thing is pretty.
He’s a henchman in a porn movie
Full PENETRATION.
Is that an M57 Made In Yugoslavia?
It is.
Supercool chrome job. Enjoy that rarity :)
Wup....mine's a....was it 42? War-time IIRC....
Looks like ammo was made in former Yugoslavia.
Correct. 1977 surplus ammo listed as “hard primered” ...higher reliability expected when fed through the Yugo M57’s. I don’t have the means to test and/or support said claim.
Are Tok rounds as common as 9x18?
I have an old Makarov and damn if that thing a cheap p.o.s.
I love my old Makarov even though Im an HK guy.
"All things that are complicated are useless, all things that are useful are simple"- Mikhail Kalishnikov
I so want a Makarov.
They are great guns. Not as refined as more modern designs, but I find them much more comfortable than say a walther.
Its like the perfect combination of accuracy, recoil, and reliability.
I couldn’t say. They’re more common than 9x19 as of recent :D
I've noticed, I guess that's one benefit to obscure milsurp cartridges.
Are there modern self defense rounds made for the Toke?
Yes although most tok ammo has always had modern properties. It was always a high velocity round relative to other pistols (old ammo was 1500-1600 fps)... and coupled with the small 30 cal bullet; it can slip through some level 3 armor.
Interesting 🤔
I have never seen anyone refer to a Mak as a cheap POS!? What do you have?
It feels cheap and shoots cheap & clunky.
If it weren't such a memento from the Cold War, I'd gotten rid of it.
It's pimptastic.
I miss my Tokarev. Sold it to a friend. Haven't seen him in years. :-(
Obviously he’s out pimping.
DD44 Dostovei
Dual wield that shit
Literally why I held out for a shiny version, TBH
Wonderful. Did you shoot Dr. Doak twice in the leg and wait for him to pull it?
Gorgeous. That thing could shoot through an engine block
762 tok is basically an identical loading to 9x19. The difference being a slightly neck down cart and a light projectile.
Its purpose designed to be awesome, but you can get similar ft/lb and velocity results by putting a 60 grain in 9x19. Like liberty civil defense all copper hollow point ammo.
I dunno why there arent moreconversion kits out there for making other guns into 762 tok.
It sounds cool, but there aren't giant piles of 7.62 tok everywhere like 9mm, which you pointed out is the same thing. There isn't a use for such things outside of being eccentric.
The one value of the tok is that it is similar to 9x19 but you can have a lighter bullet in a smaller package rather than trying to upscale a light bullet to 9mm size, so it can be full lead with a jacket instead of relying on light weight metals like coppers with a larger mathematical area.
Basically the same loading with the exception of the case is different, the bullet is different, the velocity is different and the powder is different, other than that it is the same.
It is basically the same as the .30 mauser
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Because it's a long cartridge with a lot of powder. There isn't enough room in other guns.
Weren't there some sub guns that ran on it?
Polish guns. There was a subgun with a drum and a pistol with a 30+ round magazine.
Only the most based ones of russian descent.
you can modify an AK47 to fire 9x19 from Soumi magazines. I suppose you could mod an AK to fire 762tok.
Oooo the rare nickel finish Tokarev.
Classic arms?
Yep! This is from a batch they received in late August.
My girl is Serb, so something made by Zastava is on my list. I love their new pistols like the EZ9.
Nice.
The Russians are here. Damn Everybody wants to post on The_Donald.win!
We're all Russian bots, after all! ;)
Nyet! Is not true, believe me.
In soviet russia the donald posts you!
Russians love their 7.62
Underrated. These can be had for about $200(without this awesome chrome job). Ammo is also cheaper than most in the current strange world.
And 7.62x25 hardball penetrates a lot more than 9mm. Lighter bullet going very fast for a pistol round (357 fast or better); makes a smaller hole but will go through more on the way.
That is the problem, it goes clean through without tumbling. On the plus side the 2ft long fireball that comes out of the muzzle will incinerate your attacker.
There is hollowpoint ammo that you can get that fixes the over-penetration problem.
Overpenetration isn't a problem for me, that's somebody else's problem
It's a beaut, Clark! It's a beaut!
This is a commie knockoff of the 1911, change my mind
Well you're wrong.
It's more like a commie knockoff of a Colt 1903.
it isn't a knock off. the hammer trigger mainstpring assembly is completely different. The 1903 hammerless is a blowback action the 1903 hammer is a double hinged barrel locking action. It was influenced by the 1911 and 1903 sure, but so was every gun afterward.
BTW the M57 is one of the best Tokarevs but get a surplus one, they make new ones that are absolute garbage.
What? What's wrong with the new ones?
How does 7.62x57 compare to 9mm?
Neither can be found ;)
Nickel plated?
Chrome. If I recall correctly, a small number of the pistols in the batch might’ve been nickel with the yellowish tint.
And is it an original finish, or done by an importer?
Gun Jesus had some nickel finished Czarist era pistols in one of his recent videos.
Shiny.
I dont like that pistol, but damn if that ain't shiny.
I have a Zastava M70A chambered in 9MM. I couldn't pass it up at $200 for an all steel pistol. It had a few issues out of the box, but nothing a bit of minor work couldn't fix. I upgraded the grips to factory wood and that made a big improvement both in look and feel.
Straight-pull. A little bit heavy. Removing (destroying) the mag disconnect safety mitigated some of the felt grit. Bonus: Mags drop freely now.
the mag disconnect safety and manual safety were added to get them imported. sometimes they are good sometimes they are horrible and dangerous.
That’s why I wore safety glasses when I ripped that sucker out.
I love my M57, but man, I wish they would do something about that rear sight.
Also, look into some Marschal grips. This guy makes some FIRE grips for M57s.
https://www.marschalgrips.com/grip-models/zastava.html#m57
Amazing! There are grips that SHOULD mask-up the safety hole that was drilled into the frame!
Never seen a chrome job on one of these looks great.
It’s a gun!
Chrome Zastava, $506 at Classic Firearms.
Gorgeous
Chromed? Did you have that done?
Not sure that I would change mine....it has the craziest finish....greasy grey/greenish.
But it has never rusted, anywhere.....I am a believer in that finish, whatever it is.
I didn’t have it done. Came from the crate like that. It’s probably in this video... (the batch from which I ordered this)
https://youtu.be/Uz_D02zQEGg
Chromed Yugos are make the best Toks.
Now I want to get my CZ52 chromed