ya they wrestled a mother to the ground in front of her tiny kids right against the concrete flood... because she didn't wear a mask. It was nuts. That was early on in this circus, too.
Funny that. American civilians have more guns per capita than anyone on the planet. Collectively, they own almost ten times as many guns as the entire U.S. military.
And yet, somehow, not a single shot has been fired in the battle against oppressive or illegal lockdowns anywhere in the U.S.
I'll just chip in here because I see a lot of pedes here use the AU scenario for promoting guns.
The argument for gun ownership for fighting against tyranny is a valid argument but it is very narrow and specific case. Even if we do have guns now with COVID19 restrictions, are we supposed to start gun fights with the police? The restrictions are legal under the law, after all. The argument for gun ownership to fight against tyranny will only be useful only when all hell has broken loose.
Most aussies (even conservatives) reap the benefit of not having guns (less crazies with guns) but it comes as a trade off. The best argument for guns was proven in the recent US riots where police can be powerless or told to stand down by leftie state governments. The best argument for guns, in my opinion, is the right of a person to defend themselves and their property.
The argument to "fight against tyranny" does not seem as convincing to most people, just saying.
In terms of restrictions, why is AU different from America?
The populace of AU is really very docile and chill.
People are more willing to give their local governments a chanc, and not standup for their rights.
The upside is that when we had massive BLM protests here, no riots took place. Again, Aussies seems docile compared to Americans, in general.
The other problem we have here in AU is that we don't have a Bill of Rights enshrined in our constitution. Something Americans have.
So the restrictions imposed on us are legal and is harder to challenge. There are some groups challenging them of course, but it is taking some time.
Meanwhile where I am in Australia, a couple of states away, everything is normal. This lockdown is happening in Victoria, specifically Melbourne, not the whole country.
Could you please explain why that is? I'm not up-to-date on Australia & their policies regarding anything covid-related. I made an incorrect assumption that the lockdown et al was happening throughout the country.
Thanks for any insight you can provide - it's appreciated!
Short answer, Melbourne had a massive BLM protest and cases went straight up. However it’s the only state that is enforcing the mask mandate and arresting people who don’t obey the rules. Other states aren’t so bad.
Considering it but I've got a good job and most of my family is here so the pain of communism is a while away but I'm definitely divesting from the state because I see the writing on the wall.
The China deal is not Disturbing..... It's treason!
Basically he cancelled a project that the previous government had agreed to leaving him a billion dollars in debt because he didn't like it. this meant that he wanted to have a significant road so try and fit in the money and the resources the main government will federal government said no you can't do that China is using you and we're in trade war (they have even threatened real war) so no this road deal is not acceptable. This by our securities or ASIO to not sign.
Anyway he went against the Commonwealth and signed the agreement.... Which is also known as treason.
Because the majority of cases in Australia are in the state of Victoria. 20k cases there while the next highest has 4k. 787 deaths in Victoria while the next highest state is 53. I'm not saying this justifies what is happening in Victoria just presenting the stats as to why there is a difference in responses.
Also, the Premier (the Governor in your terms) in Victoria bungled the initial covid response and is the laughing stock of the nation, not that anyone is laughing about the people in the old folks homes who are paying for his fuck up. This could explain his over reaction to dealing with it now. And as someone else said he has some dodgy dealings with China.
In my state we have restrictions on interstate travel if you have been to a hotspot and gatherings no bigger than 30 people. When cases occur there are quarantines, school closures and shit, I think we had a lockdown of a suburb or two but that was lifted as soon as they could. No mask mandates or mass lockdowns. I've never worn a mask or been in lockdown the entire time. We haven't had no restrictions but it is hardly the "fascist country" as some doomers would make it out to be on here.
Just like the US we have states. Victoria is a cucked commie state. My state QLD is normal no masks at all I've flown to several cities and everyone shakes hands, everything is open.
Do you know why? In the US it's about dems, the election and legacy. Is it for how it looks globally for the US election? Or do you all have an election or legacy they are trying to mess with?
There are no political gains to be had from this for the politicians involved. The Premier of Victoria, Dan Andrews bungled the initial response to covid and he is responsible for the worst state in terms of covid in Australia. He may just be over compensating for his fuck up or could be his dealings with China but I think he is too much of an idiot to have sinister motives. His state has 20k cases and nearly 800 deaths. The next closest state has 4k cases and 53 deaths. He looks like a fool to everyone here because he is a fool. And what is happening in Victoria is because they have a fool for a Premier.
People need to take this coronavirus government overreach very seriously here. Even when Trump wins again make no mistake, our rino governors will lock us down again if the Democrats tell them so. There are only two real governors in the entire country it looks like.
By "take it seriously" you of course mean to physically remove 40+ Governors from Office, under citizen's arrest. All on the same day. Should've done that 3/31.
It absolutely should have happened. And still today all of these criminals still are in control. And this place talks an awful big game. And still wears there mask every where. Just stop complying
Mate not worth it youre arguing on a Seppa website. We do have a lot of guns compared to almost any country except the US. We are like Labuschange and the US is Bradman. We might be good but they are the goat. Don't waste your time.
It is a federation. Yes there is a federal government as well. Not sure about the legitimacy of things (I’m not Australian), but for the most part States are doing all the Corona tyranny themselves.
I’ve heard that closing the state borders is unconstitutional, but some have been closed for months now...
Look, the US is special because of how strong the constitution is, and how strongly Americans protect is (yeah could be better, but still). 2A is a very important failsafe also, that’s why the tyrannical left want to weaken it.
This is a country in which 90% of the wildlife can kill entire rooms of people at a moment's notice, and the government is locking down people over a virus that's been proven to be completely bogus for the past 4 months. But enough about Canada.
Ausfag here. I literally have no clue whatsoever what Corona-chink is all about. Obviously, in the US destroying the economy to fuck Trump is just how the game is played these days. May they all be thrown from helicopters, etc. But how many US people give a fuck about Australia? Probably none. Or maybe 750. But not a significant number. So, why are we getting all this nonsense?
As above, no clue. All I have is random speculations involving, in no particular order, China, Soros, underground pedo lairs, and lizard people. It could just be massive incompetence of course, but that's no fun.
Anyhow. Dan Andrews is boned. He'll be out sooner than many think, and definitely sooner than he thinks. I give him 3 months, tops. And only that long because shit is locked down, and his enemies can't plot and scheme properly. Scheming must be a bit dull on Zoom, and it's being recorded by China.
“But how many US people give a fuck about Australia?” I love Australia and it is the only English-speaking country in the whole world I would consider visiting, which I hope to do someday.
No meanwhile in Victoria. It is the California of Australia. I live in QLD. No masks, we shake hands, everything is open. Victorias State premier (like governor) is in with the CCP.
What with only 3 years of left wing governments over the last 24 years. The longest boom in history and the highest growth since 1900 beating out the US. We have problems just like the US.
For the most part we are limited to bolt or lever action with a Cat A&B license (recreational / sporting shooter).
If you can justify it (primary producer, professional hunter) you can apply for a Cat C and get 10 round rimfire semi-autos (and semi auto or pump action shotties).
Down under we just have to work harder on our aim...
It’s only the first day of single digit cases. Two weeks the 5km restriction will go away. If a vaccine existed then there would be no restrictions and case counts wouldn’t matter at all. Glad Australia is protecting its citizens from a new virus for which we still don’t understand the long term consequences.
Australia is a fascist country. Fucking arrests people for not wearing masks.
Like it hasn't happened here?
ya they wrestled a mother to the ground in front of her tiny kids right against the concrete flood... because she didn't wear a mask. It was nuts. That was early on in this circus, too.
There is a reason they got the moniker of cuckservatives
That is Victoria not Australia. Victoria is left wing. The right wing states are all fine. I haven't seen a mask in months.
So basically Victoria is Australia's equivalent of California.
More like Portland
The UK is pretty much at that point now. £1000 fines for non compliance.
This is a prime example of why you never ever give up your right to owning guns.
Funny that. American civilians have more guns per capita than anyone on the planet. Collectively, they own almost ten times as many guns as the entire U.S. military.
And yet, somehow, not a single shot has been fired in the battle against oppressive or illegal lockdowns anywhere in the U.S.
So true. However, there have been mass shootings - jogger on jogger - but those would have happened regardless of lockdowns.
Crazy idea but maybe we don't have a gun problem?
I think we need a public leader to organize these things. Individually we aren't very likely to do anything.
Problem is that every potential leader looks like “hello, fellow non-feds. Would you like to build illegal guns and stage an insurrection?”
So basically we’re stuck until we (a) stop giving a fuck, or (b) Trump directly tells us to do something
I'll just chip in here because I see a lot of pedes here use the AU scenario for promoting guns.
The argument for gun ownership for fighting against tyranny is a valid argument but it is very narrow and specific case. Even if we do have guns now with COVID19 restrictions, are we supposed to start gun fights with the police? The restrictions are legal under the law, after all. The argument for gun ownership to fight against tyranny will only be useful only when all hell has broken loose.
Most aussies (even conservatives) reap the benefit of not having guns (less crazies with guns) but it comes as a trade off. The best argument for guns was proven in the recent US riots where police can be powerless or told to stand down by leftie state governments. The best argument for guns, in my opinion, is the right of a person to defend themselves and their property. The argument to "fight against tyranny" does not seem as convincing to most people, just saying.
In terms of restrictions, why is AU different from America?
The populace of AU is really very docile and chill. People are more willing to give their local governments a chanc, and not standup for their rights. The upside is that when we had massive BLM protests here, no riots took place. Again, Aussies seems docile compared to Americans, in general.
The other problem we have here in AU is that we don't have a Bill of Rights enshrined in our constitution. Something Americans have. So the restrictions imposed on us are legal and is harder to challenge. There are some groups challenging them of course, but it is taking some time.
What are you talking about. There is a lot of gun ownership in Australia.
Do they have more guns than people?
Yeah more than 50% of my office has guns. You need a licence which is the bad part.
Meanwhile where I am in Australia, a couple of states away, everything is normal. This lockdown is happening in Victoria, specifically Melbourne, not the whole country.
Could you please explain why that is? I'm not up-to-date on Australia & their policies regarding anything covid-related. I made an incorrect assumption that the lockdown et al was happening throughout the country. Thanks for any insight you can provide - it's appreciated!
Short answer, Melbourne had a massive BLM protest and cases went straight up. However it’s the only state that is enforcing the mask mandate and arresting people who don’t obey the rules. Other states aren’t so bad.
Victoria is Australia California and our Premier (governor) has disturbing dealings with China.
You should move.
Considering it but I've got a good job and most of my family is here so the pain of communism is a while away but I'm definitely divesting from the state because I see the writing on the wall.
The China deal is not Disturbing..... It's treason!
Basically he cancelled a project that the previous government had agreed to leaving him a billion dollars in debt because he didn't like it. this meant that he wanted to have a significant road so try and fit in the money and the resources the main government will federal government said no you can't do that China is using you and we're in trade war (they have even threatened real war) so no this road deal is not acceptable. This by our securities or ASIO to not sign.
Anyway he went against the Commonwealth and signed the agreement.... Which is also known as treason.
Just like Democrats in California. Interesting how similar everything really is.
Because the majority of cases in Australia are in the state of Victoria. 20k cases there while the next highest has 4k. 787 deaths in Victoria while the next highest state is 53. I'm not saying this justifies what is happening in Victoria just presenting the stats as to why there is a difference in responses.
Also, the Premier (the Governor in your terms) in Victoria bungled the initial covid response and is the laughing stock of the nation, not that anyone is laughing about the people in the old folks homes who are paying for his fuck up. This could explain his over reaction to dealing with it now. And as someone else said he has some dodgy dealings with China.
In my state we have restrictions on interstate travel if you have been to a hotspot and gatherings no bigger than 30 people. When cases occur there are quarantines, school closures and shit, I think we had a lockdown of a suburb or two but that was lifted as soon as they could. No mask mandates or mass lockdowns. I've never worn a mask or been in lockdown the entire time. We haven't had no restrictions but it is hardly the "fascist country" as some doomers would make it out to be on here.
Just like the US we have states. Victoria is a cucked commie state. My state QLD is normal no masks at all I've flown to several cities and everyone shakes hands, everything is open.
Do you know why? In the US it's about dems, the election and legacy. Is it for how it looks globally for the US election? Or do you all have an election or legacy they are trying to mess with?
There are no political gains to be had from this for the politicians involved. The Premier of Victoria, Dan Andrews bungled the initial response to covid and he is responsible for the worst state in terms of covid in Australia. He may just be over compensating for his fuck up or could be his dealings with China but I think he is too much of an idiot to have sinister motives. His state has 20k cases and nearly 800 deaths. The next closest state has 4k cases and 53 deaths. He looks like a fool to everyone here because he is a fool. And what is happening in Victoria is because they have a fool for a Premier.
I see. Good info, thanks for explaining the down under perspective.
Isn't interstate travel banned?
In some places interstate travel is banned yes. Others you are required to apply for a border pass.
No. Most states banned Victoria from coming to their state. You can fly between all states except Vic and NSW with no issues.
People need to take this coronavirus government overreach very seriously here. Even when Trump wins again make no mistake, our rino governors will lock us down again if the Democrats tell them so. There are only two real governors in the entire country it looks like.
Noem and...?
DeSantis
By "take it seriously" you of course mean to physically remove 40+ Governors from Office, under citizen's arrest. All on the same day. Should've done that 3/31.
It absolutely should have happened. And still today all of these criminals still are in control. And this place talks an awful big game. And still wears there mask every where. Just stop complying
A lot of us here don't wear a mask. WI's mask mandate expires about now :)
We can’t ever make that mistake.
Many people in Australia have guns....
Most don't and can't without police approval
And those that do have low caliber weapons.
Okay, I never claimed otherwise lol.
Mate not worth it youre arguing on a Seppa website. We do have a lot of guns compared to almost any country except the US. We are like Labuschange and the US is Bradman. We might be good but they are the goat. Don't waste your time.
I’m thinking your definition of ‘many’ may differ from mine.
Someone needs to step up. If not, they'll just keep doing it.
Victoria is ruled by a socialist that has dealing with the CCP he won’t disclose. Enough said. It’s basically turning into a Chinese Colony
So don’t you have a national government to clean this up? Or are you a loose federation of states?
It is a federation. Yes there is a federal government as well. Not sure about the legitimacy of things (I’m not Australian), but for the most part States are doing all the Corona tyranny themselves.
I’ve heard that closing the state borders is unconstitutional, but some have been closed for months now...
Look, the US is special because of how strong the constitution is, and how strongly Americans protect is (yeah could be better, but still). 2A is a very important failsafe also, that’s why the tyrannical left want to weaken it.
it never was about a virus
The climate fags are running the show there now. Gotta save the environment by making sure people don't move freely.
This is a country in which 90% of the wildlife can kill entire rooms of people at a moment's notice, and the government is locking down people over a virus that's been proven to be completely bogus for the past 4 months. But enough about Canada.
Good point.
Thanks I’ll check it out 👍🏼
Ausfag here. I literally have no clue whatsoever what Corona-chink is all about. Obviously, in the US destroying the economy to fuck Trump is just how the game is played these days. May they all be thrown from helicopters, etc. But how many US people give a fuck about Australia? Probably none. Or maybe 750. But not a significant number. So, why are we getting all this nonsense?
As above, no clue. All I have is random speculations involving, in no particular order, China, Soros, underground pedo lairs, and lizard people. It could just be massive incompetence of course, but that's no fun.
Anyhow. Dan Andrews is boned. He'll be out sooner than many think, and definitely sooner than he thinks. I give him 3 months, tops. And only that long because shit is locked down, and his enemies can't plot and scheme properly. Scheming must be a bit dull on Zoom, and it's being recorded by China.
“But how many US people give a fuck about Australia?” I love Australia and it is the only English-speaking country in the whole world I would consider visiting, which I hope to do someday.
It never was about the virus
No meanwhile in Victoria. It is the California of Australia. I live in QLD. No masks, we shake hands, everything is open. Victorias State premier (like governor) is in with the CCP.
Disarmed Population = little more than cows behind a wire fence
Damn straight, Skippy.
Aussies, you've lost your country.
What with only 3 years of left wing governments over the last 24 years. The longest boom in history and the highest growth since 1900 beating out the US. We have problems just like the US.
Australia will be a lost cause until its people rise up and take these cucks out!
So the US is a lost cause you have 1 left wing state with a shit governor?
Their response: "See! It's working! Why would you want to stop?!"
Plug for Avi. He's based tr.news/author/avi-yemini/ ..
It never was.
Never was
Victoria’s premier has that punchable face.
And they gave up their guns years ago.
Not quite.
For the most part we are limited to bolt or lever action with a Cat A&B license (recreational / sporting shooter).
If you can justify it (primary producer, professional hunter) you can apply for a Cat C and get 10 round rimfire semi-autos (and semi auto or pump action shotties).
Down under we just have to work harder on our aim...
No they didn’t.
Hmmm a well armed citizenry is sure putting up with an awful lot of bullshit.
This dude has a very traditional Australian name.
As-salamu alaykum, mate!
What is happening to them is terrifying.
It's the prison colony. What do you expect.
It was never about the virus.
China is squeezing Australia by the balls and cucked politicians there are crying "UNCLE!!!".
Worldwide power grab. Resist.
Australia has always been like this. Doesn't anyone watch those shows about the border police at the airports?
Time to make some Melbourne Toast
I mean, you give up your guns and then your freedoms, oldest trick in the book but cucked westerners keep doing it.
Fuck your weak knees and by the way, your speed limits suck my ass.
Anyone who legit thought this was a huge deal i recommend everyone immediately question HARD
It’s only the first day of single digit cases. Two weeks the 5km restriction will go away. If a vaccine existed then there would be no restrictions and case counts wouldn’t matter at all. Glad Australia is protecting its citizens from a new virus for which we still don’t understand the long term consequences.
Here in America we believe freedom is more important than safety.
That is what makes us great.