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NotTimPool 119 points ago +125 / -6

How about we teach them to fish and even teach them to sell fish... or even teach them to get other people to do the fishing for them?

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readyIgnite 145 points ago +146 / -1

There's a classic chan post from a church mission person out there that really gets into fleshing this out.

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noquo89 154 points ago +154 / -0

Yep, the missionaries go and provide new equipment, teach everyone how to farm, leave, and then come back to find the equipment sold and the farm STILL just a mud mound. Emphasis on the "still", because they do this year after year and nothing ever changes.

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The_Peter 110 points ago +113 / -3

I used to think that people who talked about "the curse of Ham" were racist and wrong.

Maybe they were racist, but the more I find out about Africa, the more I realize they weren't wrong.

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tufftoffee 8 points ago +8 / -0

Wasn't there a link back in the T_D days about a missionary who worked kn Africa and wrote about his experiences there and how Africans are just low IQ? Like being incapable of taking care of farms and such?

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Emperorvoid 3 points ago +42 / -39

Saying it is in the blood is fucking stupid. It's their culture, belief system, and influences. If they will ever move forward it will be because they are forced to through Colonizing and their old ways forbidden. Yeah, it has to be harsh because their beliefs keep them fucking stupid. You also have to destroy their power structures, because those are entirely corrupt. So much aid never even gets to where it is suppose to go because of the corrupt in power it funnels through. That which does get to them, which can actually help, like seeds, equipment, etc, are sold off. Let them eat dirt!

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Forgotmyoldpassword 13 points ago +14 / -1

Curse of ham?

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July041776 38 points ago +39 / -1

In the Bible Noah had three sons; Ham, Shem, and Japheth. After the flood, Noah went and planted a vineyard and made wine. Well one day he got drunk and fell asleep naked in his tent. Ham saw him and basically told his brothers "hey guys, dad's totally drunk and passed out naked in his tent!"

His brothers went in with a blanket, walking backward so they didn't see Noah, and covered him up.

When Noah woke up he found out what had happened and cursed Ham and his descendants, saying something along the lines of "yeah, you're a dick so you and your line are always going to be servants to your brothers. Like, forever. That's it."

Ham was the father of Canaan, who fathered the Canaanites who essentially settled modern Syria, Lebanon, and Israel. I don't know why they're saying the Curse of Ham has anything to do with Africa because I'm pretty sure they didn't setting that far south.

Also, the Canaanites were pretty much wiped out by the Israelites when they first settled the region.

Just to clarify, he didn't curse Ham just because he happened to wander in and see him. It was the lack of respect and the fact that he shamed his father by telling other people about it. It's still kind of extreme if you ask me, but whatever.

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Mynamesprivate 13 points ago +14 / -1

No, the curse of Ham, those people were squatters on the Holy Land before the Israelites came and conquered. That line has been ended for over 2000 years.

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Quietam_Unum 1 point ago +1 / -0

Well, then. You may not want to read https://archive.org/details/negroesinnegrola00helpiala published in 1868.

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Whimpy13 18 points ago +18 / -0

They wouldn't Kamala it fifteen times, now would they?

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DonaldTrumpIntheEnd 27 points ago +27 / -0

Africa has an amazing economy! There’s always work to do!

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Slick33333 7 points ago +7 / -0

Watch Empire of Dust

Itsallsotiresome.jpg

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Emperorvoid 7 points ago +7 / -0

If I was the guy, I would just finish it off, and tell everyone who tells him to rebuild it to fuck off.

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GreyGooseDown 3 points ago +3 / -0

Some say you can still hear him re-building the power station.

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Forthelead 13 points ago +18 / -5

Have you ever considered that the missionaries or other aid organizations might be part of the problem? In order for a program to be successful long term at least three conditions need to be met.

  1. The group needs to be willing to change and try new practices. If you always do what you always do, you always get what you always get. Something has to change in order to break the current cycle. If a group does not recognize that a problem exists or does not have an interest in improving, it is unlikely that lasting improvement can be achieved.

  2. The development program has to be custom designed for the specific community. Often development agencies go into an area with a cookie cutter plan that doesn't take into account the specific circumstance of the people involved: "We think that you should grow/do X, and that will solve the problem." However, X is totally foreign to the group, and it just doesn't mesh with the reality of the group.

  3. There must be a level of stability within the region. It doesn't matter how well #1 and #2 are done if a warlord is just going to move through the area within a few months and destroy everything. People cannot do or learn long term planning if they don't live in a secure environment.

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ParadigmShift2070 15 points ago +17 / -2

Have you ever considered Africans are retarded?

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Nikola_S1 3 points ago +3 / -0

What he says is true even if Africans are retarded.

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Shalomtoyou 6 points ago +6 / -0

Makes sense to me. Especially the warlord bit.

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Choomguy 1 point ago +1 / -0

They are inherently lazy and low iq.

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Mr_Pink 10 points ago +11 / -1

Youre telling me nobody in Africa wants to buy food? Sure thing buddy.

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DesertYote -8 points ago +2 / -10

What in the hell are you talking about?

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FormerGraveheart 5 points ago +6 / -1

While Africans are low IQ and many of them are unable to operate a farm at all... the end result of giving them massive amounts of free food would have exactly that effect of destroying the market for the farmers and thus, destroying the farms, so you could be right.

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Italians_Invented_2A 2 points ago +2 / -0

Because until 1930 Africans had a development that was comparable to white people's?

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DesertYote -7 points ago +1 / -8

Boy you need to learn some real history.

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POTUS_DonnieJ 28 points ago +28 / -0

My favorite classic chan post about Africa https://i.maga.host/OPm8vSN.png

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BeefyBelisarius 27 points ago +27 / -0

The Russians who visited South Africa is also a good one.

https://files.catbox.moe/isswmc.jpg

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Dimefox 7 points ago +7 / -0

When ships dock in Africa they never want to take their fresh water.

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FormerGraveheart 5 points ago +5 / -0

"Good". That's a fucking nightmare.

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BeefyBelisarius 3 points ago +3 / -0

It's a warning to the civilized parts of the world.

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buttfuckmebigfoot 9 points ago +9 / -0

I knew it was going to be this post! One of the best keks of my life

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PvtPyle762mm 6 points ago +6 / -0

"Daddy wants it"

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EntilZha 6 points ago +6 / -0

Probably the same one I just mentioned. Didn't know it was from a chan.

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cook_does 20 points ago +21 / -1

There have been many books written from the last 200 years about exactly this. I have an old leather bound book, I will try to find it, that was a published journal of French missionaries that went to Africa for 15 years to teach them to farm. After the Africans killed about half of the group for being witches, the survivors fled back to France. There are dozens of stories in the book where they would teach a village how to raise goats, corn, beans and tomatoes, stay two years, then come back a few years later to literally nothing. Either warlords would raze their village or the villagers would fail miserably on their own.

The funniest story was about a larger village in Angola where they planted huge crops of wheat and corn and they never would produce any product, but some of the villagers started getting fat. They would sneak out into the field and eat all the early buds off the crops at night.

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nothegreatrefuser 19 points ago +21 / -2

I read an article--years ago--about how African languages don't have a past tense (and I think future tense) so they can't think past the present.

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Fourtyandfourtyfive 5 points ago +6 / -1

No numbers either.

One and many is all they came up with.

No concept of time either. If it isn’t right now, it confuses them.

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joker 18 points ago +23 / -5

Has something to do with the climate...

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NotTimPool 20 points ago +22 / -2

Not the entire damn continent.

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joker 14 points ago +15 / -1

I mean the part

They cannot think past today.

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ILearnedToCode 6 points ago +8 / -2

I think you meant "culture"

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dthb4communism -3 points ago +6 / -9

For real though I think the unstable climate patterns is responsible for Africans not involving intelligence or industriousness.

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t-ara-fan 18 points ago +19 / -1

The opposite. Easy living in a warm climate meant they didn't evolve to be smarter to survive. Like in Europe etc.

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PattonWasRight 15 points ago +16 / -1

So true. Rhodesia, which once used to be the bread basket of Africa, is the best example of this.

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Kaarous 70 points ago +73 / -3

How about we teach them to fish

They lack the capacity, mostly. They hadn't even discovered the wheel by the time the Europeans landed there. Even now, South Africa is below sustainability in terms of water purification, because they can't maintain the system that the Boers built.

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Thiswillbeintheexam 4 points ago +7 / -3

True, but the wheel argument isn't a good one.

Most primitive cultures "invented" the wheel in their use of calendars and their observations of the seasons. An actual wheel though is only worth building after roads, and after metal working, otherwise it's not worth the labour invested in it. A sled or a sledge is a much more efficient use of time. A domesticated beast of burden that you can also eat... now that's smart primitive thinking.

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bloodyminded 2 points ago +2 / -0

A domesticated beast of burden that you can also eat... now that's smart primitive thinking.

The original version of Redneck Engineering.

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KeepingAmericaGreat 61 points ago +61 / -0

How about we actively allow them to prosper on their own by forbidding any foreign intervention.

This is instead of actively influencing African countries by NGOs, religious, pseudo-political, financial, ecological, sexual, and educational organizations.

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meals23 26 points ago +26 / -0

Glad I lived to see the day that they begged for Rhodesia's return

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Chad_Dudebroski 13 points ago +13 / -0

Forbid intervention and forbid emigration

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Shoe 3 points ago +3 / -0

Or we can not be pussies and just take their rare earth minerals like china is doing. The Africans are literally never going to use them, might as well get them before the commies do.

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Dirk_Diggler 35 points ago +35 / -0

The Somali pirate model.

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FreedomCrayon 17 points ago +17 / -0

With a yo ho ho! And a tricky lah-tee-do! 🎶

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Dirk_Diggler 15 points ago +15 / -0

And a, 🎶Look at me, I'm the captain now.🎶

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RuthBGinsburgsTumor 49 points ago +49 / -0

They're not interested in learning. That's 99% of the problem. And those who are get dragged down with the rest of the crabs in the bucket.

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Furaffinitydotnet 2 points ago +2 / -0

Same thing with fags vs gays. Fags just check out of any future responsibility and waste every second of time on socialising or watching the most baseless media.

The media exploits that and instead of being useless, they're currently worse than useless. They manifest a handicapped community that worships weakness and the inability to do anything for oneself. They create a hurdle for even the most basic self improvement like healthy eating, because they have it drilled into their head that being a lazy idiot is something that is to be encouraged.

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Southern_Belle 47 points ago +48 / -1

I think we should stop aid to Africa except for one project: the reparations project, where former black Americans return to Africa.

They should be given help and assistance.

But that's all.

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Julius_Severus 19 points ago +19 / -0

Based

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Dirk_Diggler 45 points ago +45 / -0

Ah, I see you have seen what happens when you feed stray cats as well.

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ScreamingEagles 7 points ago +8 / -1

Cats give you love in return for food.

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QSWO1 2 points ago +5 / -3

They repay your kind gesture with fleas.

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Mynamesprivate 10 points ago +13 / -3

Stray cats destroy the mouse population, though.

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Dirk_Diggler 25 points ago +25 / -0

And birds, and all smaller game animals. Roving packs of feral cats wreak havoc on the local eco system. Coyotes eat them, but people destroy coyote populations, when they aren't necessarily being a nuisance. Just for funsies. Anyways, look, here's the deal, I hate roving bands of stray cats people feed, fat. Clap for that you stupid bastards.

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QSWO1 5 points ago +5 / -0

That is the the best statement about illegal immigration I have seen in 5 years on the Donald.

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QSWO1 3 points ago +3 / -0

Fleas love them, and the rats are still around.

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Jimmy_Russler 26 points ago +26 / -0

This, they have like 6 children per woman while we don't even reproduce at replacement rate. How about taking that 5 trillion dollars and turn it into tax incentives for our own citizens to reproduce, like Hungary does?

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Dirk_Diggler 5 points ago +5 / -0

r/K selection theory

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KekistanPM 7 points ago +7 / -0

Obligatory Ace Ventura 2 reference:

"...I couldn't help but hear you call me 'White Devil'"

"I've only just met you; how would I know?"

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Dirk_Diggler 4 points ago +4 / -0

"This is how they know you."

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Emperorvoid -16 points ago +4 / -20

Racists are fucking morons. Race isn't the issue, CULTURE is the ROOT PROBLEM!

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PattonWasRight 24 points ago +24 / -0

Culture is a direct consequence of race.

Pygmies, who live in the jungles of Congo, have an average IQ of 53, an average height of 5 foot and a lifespan of 18 years.

You can bring a whole village of pygmies to the richest city in America, you can do your best to teach them to read and write, to farm efficiently, to build houses, to avoid diseases and poisonous animals etc... You can teach them about Western values, culture and religion...

And still, once they return to their country it's gonna stay the same shithole that it had always been.

I don't hate anybody, but this is science. This is truth.

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Emperorvoid -6 points ago +4 / -10

Take several pairs of those Pygmies out of their country, bring them to another, have them breed a couple generations, restricting their children from learning their culture, and watch them acclimate intellectually. IQ is primarily a problem solving pattern recognition Neo Cortex thing. An IQ isn't static for ones whole life, and it can be retarded by culture.

You probably don't know about Nicholas Negroponte. I don't you know much about what you speak.

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ParadigmShift2070 13 points ago +13 / -0

It's not our responsibility to breed them for tens to hundred generations so they can finally form a viable culture

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Emperorvoid -8 points ago +2 / -10

Tens of hundreds... Nah, just a few to get them out of their culture entirely. Perhaps you should familiarize yourself with some of the work from Nicholas Negroponte.

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crash7863 1 point ago +1 / -0

Are you saying that if they lived a more cultured life they would be better off? Well how do they develop a better culture. Through science, technology. As life gets easier people have more time to think about things and enjoy things in life. Things that help with culture would be trade. You know what you need in order to have trade reliably? A written language.

The facts are that the IQ level in Africans is statistically going to be several points down from other groups of people. It's not their culture. Intelligence is a real thing. Ever met someone that was smart? You think that person is smart because he reads books? Usually when you meet someone who's smart, one or both of their parents are smart too. It's a genetic trait.

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GoopNIL 135 points ago +136 / -1

We would have colonized Mars by now if we hadn't wasted so much money babysitting the third world.

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unsquishable 27 points ago +28 / -1

Colonizing another planetary body in the Solar System is necessary to safeguard our species. NASA is pretty good at tracking foreign bodies, but a stray rock from our blind spot could take us out, as could we take ourselves out and any number of other catastrophes.

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shockfactor 5 points ago +5 / -0

We will be a type 1 civilization in around 150 years, and a type 2 civilization in maybe 1000 years, if we don't destroy ourselves and do the necessary work to colonize other planets. Just kidding, we'll probably destroy ourselves or do a fall of rome 2 electric boogaloo.

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DairyBoy 3 points ago +4 / -1

Droppin rocks

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AngryAsian 15 points ago +15 / -0

More of a priority than giving money to people that couldn't sustain themselves if we gave them all the money in the world.

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Shalomtoyou 9 points ago +9 / -0

I always figure that the real purpose of foreign aid is not to help starving citizens of foreign countries.

It's to get leverage with the leadership. "Do what we want or the spigot turns off!"

The starving masses are just to get the voters to go along with it.

Prove me wrong.

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iDinduNuffin 7 points ago +7 / -0

If you have a plan to pull off all that domestic stuff with NASA funding, don't keep it to yourself.

Otherwise it'd make zero sense to just sit back and let other countries surpass us in space. Learn from colonial history, all that matters is beating your rivals to the punch.

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iDinduNuffin 1 point ago +1 / -0

Nope, it's a new colonial era. Just space in general... infrastructure, access, presence, etc. but sure, Mars as well when that's viable. If it were the 1800's, I'd be promoting Manifest Destiny and you'd be saying westward expansion is useless, we should just let France and Mexico take it.

You're not on TV giving a speech trying to win voters, you don't need to pretend like the average American isn't a lethargic retard with almost zero grasp of domestic politics let alone world affairs, who wastes his time and money on stupid shit like restaurants, brand clothes, Netflix, phones, movies or a frivolous egocentric social life. Correct, I do know better. That isn't saying much. Just running a small family business is enough to know better. Someone like Trump knows better than a thousand of us put together.

And yes, that's the point of taxation and being told where money should go. Some people know better than others. You don't like this concept because you're working from some kind of soulless libertarian position of "right wing" (preached by foreigners), where you think you're supposed to be a sovereign little king with no obligations to anyone and the only justification for the government, if any, is to protect your kingdom. I'm working from a traditional American nationalist position where "America" is a real thing, not just a bunch of individuals in a census, and all of us are citizens of our country with the duty to protect it and uphold our good values. You already have the option to opt-out, by the way: renouncing your citizenship and leaving my country.

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LawfulSilentMajority 3 points ago +5 / -2

The technological benefits can't be ignored. The thing is, I don't see any scenario where it is more efficient to colonize another planet than it is to harden our hold on Earth.

The rocket equation is unforgiving.

https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/station/expeditions/expedition30/tryanny.html

The payload to earth orbit is about 10% but to get to Mars, you're down to 1%.

Even if you get to Mars with any significant infrastructure, you're still living in a bubble because it's so harsh. It would take quite the natural disaster to make Earth less hospitable. The magnetosphere, gravity, natural resources (including atmosphere) are huge advantages vs. mars.

A colonization mission to Mars buys a hell of a lot of self sustaining closed loop bunker space buried on earth. Geothermal power? Artificial light? Water recycling? All of these are easier problems to manage without having to fly stuff to Mars. Even with some workarounds like manufacturing fuel etc. outside of earth's gravity well.

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SpezIsANazisCumRag 1 point ago +3 / -2

So when is America gonna finally tell Africa, the Middle East and any other shithole that we spent hundreds of billions to trillions on over decades that we basically own them now since we paid out an equivalent amount of money equal to or greater than the value of their land and resources?

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LesboPregnancyScare 95 points ago +95 / -0

and what did the world get for it? Nothing but a 1100% population increase in african countries. Everyone should watch Empire of Dust, Lao Yang mentions to Eddy that the Belgians built the railway there in the 1930s and they let it go to ruin after the Belgians left. He says they didnt even have a railway in China in the 30s. They were given that advantage and squandered it. Just like Rhodesia and South Africa: infrastructure built up by Europeans and destroyed by Africans when they took over.

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knightofday 25 points ago +25 / -0

Wet good documentary, really shows the nitty gritty of why Africa is a perpetual shithole.

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Frog_Anne 10 points ago +11 / -1

China didn't have a railway in the 30s? Are we talking no major railways between cities, or still none at all? That was old tech by then, China was supposed to be an advanced educated civilization according to my history class.

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LesboPregnancyScare 13 points ago +13 / -0

my apologies, the Belgian railway in the Congo was in the 1890s, the Belgians abandoned the area in the 30s. Lao was talking about the 1890s.

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Slick_Willy 8 points ago +8 / -0

Crec 7 chinese company lied about staying around for 20 years and keeping the roads in good shape.

They gave up too it looks like.

https://observers.france24.com/en/20190422-congo-chinese-company-toll-booth

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CovfefeKaren 57 points ago +62 / -5

Aid to Africa has destroyed African countries. Perhaps, that was the idea all along. How humanitarian.

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WishdoctorsSong 70 points ago +71 / -1

Africans destroyed African countries, they were epic shitholes pre-colonization and are heading back there as fast as they can. Aid to Africa has only contributed in destroying the west.

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meals23 27 points ago +27 / -0

it's all so tiresome

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Julius_Severus 22 points ago +23 / -1

Some people are stuck in the progressive mindset that blacks have no agency

Nothing about their circumstances is ever their fault; it’s always somehow about what White people do to them

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1in1024th 9 points ago +9 / -0

If they're going to rise above that, they're going to have to want it enough to do it themselves

We can't really help, only hinder

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1in1024th 9 points ago +9 / -0

When can we adopt the Prime Directive from Star Trek and not interfere in these countries, allow them to develop at their own pace?

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DesertYote 3 points ago +3 / -0

Africans don't want aid. They known it's designed to destroy the economy.

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I_SEES_You 1 point ago +1 / -0

Wish we could send the BLM rioters back. They'll fit right in those shitholes.

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Lu-Bu 22 points ago +22 / -0

Welfare and "programs" have destroyed black communities in this country too, as well as many white ones. Just wait till the ultimate one with UBI that will kill all incentive by those on the bottom rungs. There won't be a ladder of opportunity let alone a siege tower to fight back against the masters in their ivory towers.

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DesertYote 1 point ago +1 / -0

Marxist have been working to destabilize Africa since the 30's. Make no mistake, Islamic radicalism is the bastard child of Marxism.

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Getfuckedcommietrash 48 points ago +48 / -0

Imagine they saved that 5 trillion over the years to pay down the deficit. Fuck government, inefficient cunts.

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Julius_Severus 25 points ago +26 / -1

We borrowed trillions of dollars and gave it away to shithole countries

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ADAM_SCHITT 11 points ago +12 / -1

And also bomb shithole countries and then rebuild them at least as shitty as they already were.

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BigIronBigIron 3 points ago +3 / -0

We didn't give it away just to give it away. It was an investment made in those countries. An investment in security. Don't you dare think about using any other currency.

Of course, the investment greatly benefited the banks, as we're the ones who have to pay the bankers interest on that borrowed money that the banks decided we needed to lend.

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rubberkidney 1 point ago +1 / -0

pretty sure this is from all sources not just US

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shadle2001 41 points ago +41 / -0

How about no foreign aid until every American is taken care of. Once our house is in order than we can help others.

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Boldwithoutthebull 28 points ago +28 / -0

How about the government doesn't use the money of others for charity ever, it's not theirs to give away. If individuals wish to donate to a cause then that's their business.

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NotTimPool 21 points ago +21 / -0

Would help if we could secure our borders as well... can't have a welfare state with porous borders.

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1in1024th 5 points ago +5 / -0

Yeah but I'd rather no welfare state either way.

But without the porous border, our programs to give OUR poor a hand up would be more effective

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GodSaveTheWest 3 points ago +3 / -0

Thats how it should be in a logical world, but we live in a world run by pathological emotion. Feelings are all that matter.

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Homemade-Soap 1 point ago +1 / -0

How about no foeign aid period.

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GilaMonsterous 40 points ago +40 / -0

And what the hell do we have to show for it? They're no better off than before, if not worse because China's rolling in and taking over Africa.

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Modus_Pwninz 8 points ago +8 / -0

Laughs in Globalist banker

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BigIronBigIron 3 points ago +3 / -0

Full Circle.

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RedFoxOnFire 32 points ago +32 / -0

Slash?

I think you mean completely defund.

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Anthonysaxetogrind 32 points ago +32 / -0

All the money sent over came right back into the pockets of the political class if it ever even left in the first place. Lined the pockets of a select few hundred people. Repubs and dems.

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POTUS_DonnieJ 12 points ago +12 / -0

Exactly this. Its not like we just hand out money to African farms and tribes. It all goes to organizations that are run by buddies of those hanging out the money in the first place. And they in turn keep the Africans living in the same shithole to keep them dependent to keep the money flowing. Only solution is to cut “aid” 100%.

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Loc12 31 points ago +31 / -0

This is what happens when you pay tax. It goes to Africa

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generated_name 22 points ago +22 / -0

The problem with a lot of foreign aid is that the money never seems to make it's way to those people who need it. How much of that 5 Trillion was taken by corrupt UN officials, or used by warlords to buy fancy cars and food?

I think we need to cut foreign aid, not because I don't want to help people; but because that's clearly not what we have been doing.

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1in1024th 7 points ago +7 / -0

Preach. Earthquake in Managua, Nicaragua. Money poured in. Black vans showed up. Money went in the vans and the president disappeared.

That was in the 90s I think? Downtown Managua is still filled with ruined government buildings that were supposed to get fixed with that money

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GodSaveTheWest 3 points ago +3 / -0

We should cut foreign aid because the government shouldnt be taking money from americans to give away to non americans.

Let americans keep their own money and give it away to charity if they want.

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Popsalock 20 points ago +20 / -0

Shockingly, the give a man fish strategy did not work. who knew?

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GodSaveTheWest 4 points ago +4 / -0

I mean they also dont want to learn how to fish either. Look at zimbabwe or south africa when it comes to blacks farming where whites used to do it for them.

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faceaids1 15 points ago +15 / -0

We can think about foreign aid once our poor are taken care of and our debt is under 3 trillion. At the same time while we have a surplus budget every year but I'd rather see any surplus going to tax cuts first. So to sum up no foreign aid lol.

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KekistaniMemeLord 8 points ago +8 / -0

fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck that, the fact that our government whose sole purpose SHOULD be to take care of its taxpaying citizens sends even once single dime overseas is enouhg reason for necks to swing from rope. Our government shouldn't ever spend a single penny outside of what it does for american citizens. Now if citizens want to donate their own money overseas thats up to them, alot of these virtue signaling fuckwits can start putting their money where there mouth is.

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faceaids1 6 points ago +6 / -0

Yeah lol see last sentence.

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Skankblunt42 14 points ago +14 / -0

Western civilizations are trying to make Africa run before it even knows how to crawl. They don't understand what the people are trying to teach them. Their evolution is so far behind they don't even understand the logic of what they're being taught. They must figure it out on their own without outside money which just creates corruption in their governments.

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Rubberbunnies 5 points ago +5 / -0

Yep. You know what? If someone wants to live simply all the power to them! I don’t mind people choosing to live at crawl speed. It’s their God given right.

What I do mind is liberal-spent taxpayer money schemes that line their own pockets while actually taking away Africa’s ability to build any stability or self govern. I think a 10-year pull out plan is going to be best for Africa in the long run. It’ll be a rough start, but then they’ll be stronger without the pity crutch of liberal money and corruption.

Keeping Chinese hooks out of Africa is going to be hard though.

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Phil_Selway 14 points ago +14 / -0

Where's Africa and where is Europe now? What's the difference between them?

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BigIronBigIron 3 points ago +3 / -0

It's effectively illegal to answer this question.

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SikoraP13 9 points ago +9 / -0

I wish we could actually sacrifice the stars for it. I think we can start with Krapernick, Lebron, Madonna, Bono, Ruffalo, Kimmel, Sean Penn, John Legend, and Oprah, and go from there.

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ActiveMeasures 9 points ago +9 / -0

Foreign aid is nothing more than extortion, bribery, and blackmail money. Change my mind.

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Emperorvoid 9 points ago +9 / -0

Let Africa starve. Shithole cultures who are incapable of surviving on their own should not be allowed to culturally appropriate those other cultures which flourish.

PARASITES ARE NOT OUR RESPONSIBILITY!

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RoughWaters 8 points ago +8 / -0

Empire of dust.

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residue69 3 points ago +3 / -0

Bill Gates has been trying to do this for decades!

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yallsegregationist 4 points ago +4 / -0

reparations paid

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journalist 4 points ago +4 / -0

Foreign Aid = Deep swamp slush fund money laundering machine.

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LesboPregnancyScare 4 points ago +5 / -1

This issue is a tough humanitarian one. What to do, honestly, what can you do. Its like babysitting.

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Boldwithoutthebull 21 points ago +21 / -0

Leave them to their own devices.

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LesboPregnancyScare 8 points ago +9 / -1

the real answer, Im sure. someone once said that humanitarian aid is the reason the Bantu people are not extinct now, that they are an evolutionary dead end. Is it the right thing to do, leave them to their own devices? I dont know, but importing them to western countries to the tune of their own and their host country's destruction isnt the answer either.

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LesboPregnancyScare 3 points ago +3 / -0

despite the amount of shitposting here, which I also participate, there is genuine learning.

So what are your thoughts? what is the right thing to do? Is there a right thing to do?

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LesboPregnancyScare 2 points ago +2 / -0

That is true however I wish the US took care of its own people better than it does with foreign country citizens. The US being an superpower is a much more benevolent "influencer" than the runner up, which is China. Foreign countries would be begging the US to intervene after they are subject to Chinese foreign "influence".

It will not be a peaceful transition.

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DesertYote 2 points ago +2 / -0

Two of the very smartest engineers that I have worked with in my fourty year career are Bantu.

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Emperorvoid 2 points ago +2 / -0

You can't debate them. They are Patho's driven. There are NPC's on every side, and these are just the ones that vote Conservative.

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LesboPregnancyScare 1 point ago +1 / -0

"my anecdotal statement disproves the consensus of all scientific data and history in the world"

Also "i have no idea how statistics work and think two out of 970M is significant"

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Monzie 4 points ago +4 / -0

And all it did was prop up dictators and corrupt governments, change my mind.

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XxxRDTPRNxxX 3 points ago +4 / -1

Foreign Aid is mostly bullshit anyways and just a way for local contractors to get their hands in the governments pocket. I read about it a while back and from what I saw all the aid and supplies by law must be purchase domestically and then shipped to whatever country it's going to. But if the goal is to feed hungry people that's the most inefficient way to possibly do it. It would actually be much cheaper and effective to send money oversees and purchase supplies in that part of the world instead.

But of course, then these shipping companies and contractors that supply the goods don't get their billions.

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quodvox 3 points ago +3 / -0

There's a lot of talk about 'Africa this' and 'Africa that'. The first thing is that it's not some poor starving country - it's a continent. There are 54 different countries there. In fact, there are probably even more regions, but if you look at a map, you see nice clean lines because the colonial powers pulled out a ruler and divided it up.

I'm not going to go all 'But muh colonizers' - the west brought plenty of advances, too, but it certainly wasn't all good. What we have now is what we have. There is endemic corruption, poverty, starvation, and none of those things is easy to fix because you have cultures that were suddenly thrust from primitive conditions right smack into the middle of 20th century civilization.

There's a reason that the fictional Star Trek Federation has a policy of non-intervention. Perhaps we would have done / would do differently if we suddenly discovered a secret populated continent now. But I'm probably kidding myself.

In any case, there is some truth to the 'feeding Africa makes more hungry Africans'. I'm not sure what the alternative is though - is it morally right to let them starve to death when we have the means to feed them? Should there be mandatory birth control coupled with raising life expectancy? I don't have the answers. The reality is that a bunch of different groups with overlapping and conflicting goals control the situation. The Warlords don't want to give up power. The Catholics don't want birth control. The oil companies want to extract resources.

There are plenty of smart people in the continent of Africa, spread across a bunch of different countries. Without a doubt, given education and resources, there are a number of great scientists and thinkers to be discovered.

But keep in mind that the population of the continent of Africa is 1.34 Billion people. Yeah there are a bunch of smart ones, maybe even millions, but there are 10s to hundreds of millions of backward, primitive ones that cause trouble for the rest.

An exercise for the reader: How do you fluidly bring 100s of millions from poverty and illiteracy (and previously, almost neolithic conditions) to the 21st century?

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joemanchin 2 points ago +2 / -0

I'm African, and it's a relief to finally find a comment in here that isn't making sweeping generalizations or straight up racist. People are just trying to live and raise a family same as everywhere. People here hate the incompetent leaders too, and the corruption and all that.

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quodvox 1 point ago +1 / -0

Exactly!

People here hate the incompetent leaders too, and the corruption

And just like in the west, seemingly well-intentioned western Leftists have caused plenty of harm under the guise of 'helping'. - There was one country (maybe several) where the local farmers were devastated because U.N. intervention destroyed the local markets for food, instead purchasing from large multinationals who received large contracts to provide supplies. Now the local populations are dependent on aid, which further sustains the bureaucracy and kickbacks to the local politicians ensure this continues.

I think the West needs to enable the people in all of the countries of Africa to root out corruption. Right now banks look the other way and so do governments. My understanding is that it can be very difficult to get ahead in such countries because you need to bribe virtually everyone or be well connected. People with education and means see the hopelessness, so they emigrate to other countries to be successful, thereby extending the problems for another generation.

Be well, Pede. There are plenty (even here) who don't think 'African People Bad' is any more valid than 'Orange Man Bad'.

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PizzaphilePodesta 3 points ago +3 / -0

foreign aid is gasoline on a fire

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Forgotmyoldpassword 3 points ago +3 / -0

If anyone thinks all that money went to starving ethiopians I've got a bridge to sell you. South park had it figured out decades ago.

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DesertYote 3 points ago +3 / -0

Marxist backed Sudanese islamist dressed as Somalis were attacking Ethiopia. Ethiopia appealed to fucking evil Jimma Carter for some help, who instead backed the Sudanese. Ethiopia then appealed to the Soviets to step in. The Soviets gladly came in to help. In their effort to secure their presence, they decided to improve farming but in the Soviet collective style. They screwed the pooch big time building an irrigation system with complete ignorance of the geology. N.b. Ethiopia sits on top of an active continental rift zone. They destroyed the only water supply by building an ill advised tunnel. That led to the destruction of a major food producing region. And this inturn led to massive starvation, so the Soviets quietly left, and the leftist media gleefully spun the story for their own agenda.

If no one trusts the MSM on domestic matters, why is everyone on this thread trusting the MSMs reporting of African news?

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Forgotmyoldpassword 2 points ago +2 / -0

This is the kind of in depth historical understanding I find on here. Between the millions of people on here I have learned much more about world history than ever before. Thank you!

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utfanx2 3 points ago +3 / -0

Food and medical aid should only be sent following a natural disaster. Send advisors to teach them to fish.

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magnokor 2 points ago +2 / -0

$0

Stop borrowing from enemy countries to then give the money to enemy countries.

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MustafaJones 2 points ago +2 / -0

Foreign aid should no longer be given. I cannot think of a single instance in the past 50 or so years when foreign aid has resolved an issue.

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Oldschooltexan 2 points ago +2 / -0

Joe Biden isn’t the only one getting rich off of foreign aid

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mechgeek 2 points ago +2 / -0

I dont want to slash foreign aid. I want to completely stop it.

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MsLynn 2 points ago +2 / -0

Trade, not aid!

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Rotting_John_McCain 2 points ago +2 / -0

Foreign aid is one of the biggest scams of all time.

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TurdFerguson 2 points ago +2 / -0

And then China came along and bought it for pennies on the dollar by loaning African countries $ they couldn’t pay back, then calling in their chips.

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Goldlight 2 points ago +2 / -0

africa needs to work out it's own problems

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Brownwaterboys 2 points ago +2 / -0

Africa/middle east is a bottomless hole for money..

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GAGASays 2 points ago +2 / -0

China is now trying to colonize Africa.

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TaggartCiscontinenta 2 points ago +3 / -1

Sunk Costs. Stop throwing good money after bad

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TaggartCiscontinenta 1 point ago +2 / -1

Speaking of sunk, we’re giving billions to a country that killed 33 US Navy personnel when it repeatedly attack one of our technical research ship.

(Don’t say the name of the ship or you’ll get banned like my first account here did.)

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jgardner 2 points ago +2 / -0

It's time we enacted the Prime Directive: no more contact with primitive civilizations.

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POTUS_DonnieJ 2 points ago +2 / -0

We didn’t sacrifice the stars! Didn’t you see the advances made by the Zambian space prpgram? https://youtu.be/7TI9ixb-a5M

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NickTheDick 2 points ago +2 / -0

The space program in Uganda is making huge strides too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stBzxTofBGE

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POTUS_DonnieJ 1 point ago +1 / -0

Wow. I haven’t see that. Amazing.

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thanksobama 2 points ago +2 / -0

I had never heard of that.

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ScreamingEagles 2 points ago +2 / -0

We coulda been astronauts n shieet!

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MinuteGrass 2 points ago +2 / -0

China is heavily invested in Africa and their investment has been more effective than ours. For some reason Americans believe delegating money fixes problems. Money alone was never the answer.

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DesertYote 1 point ago +1 / -0

Our investment is designed to keep Africa dependent. For leftist it's win win.

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MinuteGrass 2 points ago +2 / -0

It's designed to take the place of Christian evangelism, and western imperialism. It's literally pissing money away.

China doesn't have any negative feelings about empire building. In fact, that's it's entire goal.

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DesertYote 1 point ago +1 / -0

Before I moved, I belonged to a church that was in fellowship with some churches in Africa. You have no idea of the scale of the spiritual battle they are fighting. They don't read Ephesians, they live it evey day. Christian in the US have gotten complacent. We are now confronted with the same forces that they have for years. This can only mean that their battle has become that more heated. We need to pray for them with all power and in doing so we prepare ourselves for the comming battle. Don't be fooled, what we are witnessing is a spiritual attack straight from the father of lies and I am not talking about sleepy.

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Dizzyedge 2 points ago +2 / -0

$5 trillions and all we got was the Coffin Dance meme.