posted ago by LocoDantes
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I feel like this could be red pill eve, but I need your help to address this fact check list my family wrote during the debate with great sources and quotes. I already addressed the Fine People one and Proud Boys, but we'll be discussing the whole list tomorrow. Thanks for any help!
- [ ] Pre-existing conditions
- [ ] Health Care plan
- [ ] Packing the court
- [ ] Roe v. Wade
- [ ] Governors - phenomenal job?
- [ ] COVID vaccine timing
- [ ] COVID shutdown timing
- [ ] Divorce during COVID?
- [ ] Jobs — lost or gained?
- [ ] School masks — “Not a national emergency”
- [ ] Ohio and Michigan had the best year last year
- [ ] “Ate your lunch”
- [ ] Very fine people on both sides
- [ ] 1 in 1000 African Americans killed by COVID?
- [ ] Crime bill
- [ ] Law Enforcement support for Trump?
- [ ] Top 40 cities run by Dems
- [ ] Critical Race Theory
- [ ] Crime stats
- [ ] 400 million dollar cut in local law enforcement?
- [ ] Kelly Anne Conway — violence supports Trump campaign?
- [ ] VA healthcare and military
- [ ] “Weaker, sicker, more violent under Trump” Poorer…
- [ ] Hunter Biden - dishonorable discharge, cocaine, got money
- [ ] 3.5 million dollars from Moscow
- [ ] Drilling in parks
- [ ] Drop a nuclear bomb on a hurricane
[ ] 3.5 million dollars from Moscow
https://www.newsweek.com/hunter-biden-received-35-million-payment-ex-moscow-mayors-wife-republican-report-says-1533834
Here is the whole very fine people - AKA Bullshit. Trump was specific. The news media edited it to make him look terrible. https://thedonald.win/p/HY7TXGfS/im-not-talking-about-the-neonazi/c/
Scott Adams will shred Chris Wallace tomorrow if he has not already.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_race_theory TL;DR; All white people, are by definition, racists. America is, by definition, racist ... because white people.
https://dailycaller.com/2020/09/10/critical-race-theory-training-post-modernism-explained/
Critical race theorists argue that since traditional forms of knowledge — science, rational inquiry, logic — are institutions of white supremacy and how whites understand the world, other ways of knowledge accumulation must be forwarded.
TL;DR; If you are pro-Science you are against CRT because Science is racist.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bronsonstocking/2020/04/19/cuomo-calls-trumps-coronavirus-response-a-phenomenal-accomplishment-n2567194
Gov Cuomo: “Undeniable Fact” Federal Gov’t Coronavirus Response Was A “Phenomenal Accomplishment” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBAXpoOCFQ0&feature=emb_logo
https://nypost.com/2020/09/24/trump-unveils-health-care-plan-signs-order-protecting-preexisting-conditions/ "President Trump outlined his long-awaited health care plan on Thursday, signing a series of executive orders he said are aimed at protecting Americans with pre-existing conditions, ending surprise billing and introducing more affordable public options."
S.4506 - Pre-Existing Conditions Protection Act of 2020 Sponsor: Sen. Gardner, Cory [R-CO] (Introduced 08/06/2020) https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/senate-bill/4506/text?r=1&s=1
"A group health plan and a health insurance issuer offering group or individual health insurance coverage may not impose any pre-existing condition exclusion with respect to such plan or coverage, factor health status into premiums or charges, exclude benefits relating to pre-existing conditions from coverage, or otherwise exclude benefits, set limits, or increase charges based on any pre-existing condition or health status."
"1 in 1000 African Americans killed by COVID?" https://www.vox.com/coronavirus-covid19/2020/4/18/21226225/coronavirus-black-cdc-infection Maybe ... although it much more likely to fall on along vitamin D deficiency, which also has a racial correlation.
https://www.courthousenews.com/police-union-backs-trump-for-re-election-in-2020/
"WASHINGTON (CN) – The International Union of Police Associations endorsed President Donald Trump’s 2020 re-election campaign Monday, saying he has done more for law enforcement in the past two and a half years than former President Barack Obama had done in eight."
https://nypost.com/2020/07/16/national-association-of-police-organizations-endorses-trump/
"A coalition of police unions and associations across the country is endorsing President Trump’s re-election bid, recognizing his “steadfast and very public support” of law enforcement officers."
Joe's crime bill: https://www.aclu.org/blog/smart-justice/mass-incarceration/how-1994-crime-bill-fed-mass-incarceration-crisis "Second, the 1994 law shaped Democratic Party politics for years to come. Under the leadership of Bill Clinton, Democrats wanted to wrest control of crime issues from Republicans, so the two parties began a bidding war to increase penalties for crime, trying to outdo one another. The 1994 crime bill was a key part of the Democratic strategy to show that it can be tougher-on-crime than Republicans."
https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/19/politics/first-step-act-prisoners-released-doj/index.html "The mass release -- the largest since the First Step Act was signed into law after a rare bipartisan push last year -- applies mostly to drug offenders and inmates serving sentences for weapons charges. It was initiated by a recalculation of the number of days inmates accrue each year for good behavior that was applied retroactively under the new law."
[ ] Very fine people on both sides
https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1106936736087601152
CSPAN video
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4811891/user-clip-trumps-very-fine-people-quote
specifically at 1:35 - 1:45
[ ] Hunter Biden - dishonorable discharge, cocaine, got money I am assuming they will "trust" these sources??
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/10/17/hunter-biden-drug-test/17427857/
https://www.cnn.com/2014/10/16/politics/hunter-biden-discharged-from-navy/index.html
As for "got money"... you need to be a bit more specific ... Hunter's money from Russia, China, or Ukraine??? oh wtf i'll see if i can find something for all of them.....
https://web.archive.org/web/20191004001002/https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/03/us/politics/hunter-biden-china.html
https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/sep/30/examining-trump-claim-hunter-biden-got-35-million-/
https://www.newsweek.com/hunter-biden-received-35-million-payment-ex-moscow-mayors-wife-republican-report-says-1533834
EDIT ... I just now noticed this in the CNN article ... "The discharge of Biden, a 44-year-old lawyer and managing partner at an investment firm, " lol they even called him a "manager at an investing firm" back then .... this comes more into play with the China deal info
Lots and lots of studies on masks:
TL;DR; N95 vs surgical masks - too close to call. 48/221 N95 vs 50/225 surgical mask got the flu. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19797474/ "Context: Data about the effectiveness of the surgical mask compared with the N95 respirator for protecting health care workers against influenza are sparse. Given the likelihood that N95 respirators will be in short supply during a pandemic and not available in many countries, knowing the effectiveness of the surgical mask is of public health importance." ... Results: Between September 23, 2008, and December 8, 2008, 478 nurses were assessed for eligibility and 446 nurses were enrolled and randomly assigned the intervention; 225 were allocated to receive surgical masks and 221 to N95 respirators. Influenza infection occurred in 50 nurses (23.6%) in the surgical mask group and in 48 (22.9%) in the N95 respirator group (absolute risk difference, -0.73%; 95% CI, -8.8% to 7.3%; P = .86), the lower confidence limit being inside the noninferiority limit of -9%.
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https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31479137/ "Conclusions and relevance: Among outpatient health care personnel, N95 respirators vs medical masks as worn by participants in this trial resulted in no significant difference in the incidence of laboratory-confirmed influenza."
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19216002/ "Conclusion: Face mask use in health care workers has not been demonstrated to provide benefit in terms of cold symptoms or getting colds. A larger study is needed to definitively establish noninferiority of no mask use."
https://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/08/03/face.mask.flu/index.html
References a study that concludes:
"The researchers found that when people and their families wore face masks and washed their hands within 36 hours of the first symptoms, their family members were less likely to become infected. However, those who started using masks or washing their hands after the 36-hour time period had passed saw no benefit.
In tandem with hand-washing, face masks seem to work better than hand-washing alone, but the authors could not conclusively prove which intervention was responsible for the drop in infections of family members." ...
"Currently, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which partly funded the study, does not generally recommend the use of face masks or respirators to prevent the spread of H1N1 because of their uncertain benefit. The CDC says face masks are recommended only if a person is at a very high risk of flu complications (such as someone who is pregnant), and has no other choice but to be the primary caregiver for a family member with H1N1. (The CDC says this scenario should be avoided if at all possible.)"
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article?fbclid=IwAR3ASxBUrRE5LHeZsZF-iHrpTuX2PprS8FnkKGUpEUDEIAnH6s5wQOpkOJI "We did not find evidence that surgical-type face masks are effective in reducing laboratory-confirmed influenza transmission, either when worn by infected persons (source control) or by persons in the general community to reduce their susceptibility (Figure 2). However, as with hand hygiene, face masks might be able to reduce the transmission of other infections and therefore have value in an influenza pandemic when healthcare resources are stretched." Result: Masks wearing benefits are not confirmed by this study.
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article?fbclid=IwAR2V1hPqN0WKb2kXVExP_1UE9ARvru6mtPZvZN0w1jx0S3l3fXLhxMP_bXs "In this review, we did not find evidence to support a protective effect of personal protective measures or environmental measures in reducing influenza transmission. Although these measures have mechanistic support based on our knowledge of how influenza is transmitted from person to person, randomized trials of hand hygiene and face masks have not demonstrated protection against laboratory-confirmed influenza, with 1 exception (18). We identified only 2 RCTs on environmental cleaning and no RCTs on cough etiquette." "Hand hygiene is a widely used intervention and has been shown to effectively reduce the transmission of gastrointestinal infections and respiratory infections (26). However, in our systematic review, updating the findings of Wong et al. (8), we did not find evidence of a major effect of hand hygiene on laboratory-confirmed influenza virus transmission (Figure 1). Nevertheless, hand hygiene might be included in influenza pandemic plans as part of general hygiene and infection prevention."
Study on cloth masks -- tl;dr; Cloth mask is worse than no mask. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/04/150422121724.htm
https://nypost.com/2020/09/01/divorce-rates-skyrocket-in-u-s-amid-covid-19/ "The number of people looking for divorces was 34 percent higher from March through June compared to 2019, according to new data collected Legal Templates, a company that provides legal documents."
https://www.dailysignal.com/2020/06/24/americas-top-20-cities-for-crime-and-what-party-runs-them
https://www.alarms.org/top-100-most-dangerous-cities-in-america/
Pretty sure you can find this in the Trump campaign website.
https://www.thebalance.com/unemployment-rate-by-year-3305506 Year Unemployment ... 2009 9.9% | 2010 9.3% | 2011 8.5% | 2012 7.9% | 2013 6.7% | 2014 5.6% | 2015 5.0% | 2016 4.7% | 2017 4.1% | 2018 3.9% | 2019 3.5% |
The worst that can happen (from liberal perspective) with Roe v Wade is that abortion regulation/law returns to states. But ACB says that it is so ingrained at this point that it is decided law. It is not likely to be overturned except in very unusual situation brought to the court. IANAL. Someone probably has a better answer.
list these by number so its easier to reference .. here's one for ... Kelly Anne Conway — violence supports Trump campaign?
https://twitter.com/KellyannePolls/status/1311126974795046912
she shows the clip he selectively quoted from ... context is here.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bethbaumann/2020/04/13/heres-the-timeline-of-the-trump-administrations-response-to-the-wuhan-coronavirus-n2566851
And this one goes much further back in time ... but "helpfully" omits any "positive" actions done by the Trump admin: https://www.justsecurity.org/69650/timeline-of-the-coronavirus-pandemic-and-u-s-response/
Like all collectivists, the presumption held by Democrats is to centrally administer public health care. It's easy to accuse him of having "no health care plan" because he has no intentions of centrally administering health care for 330 million people.
The federal budget for health care is 3x larger than for DoD -- a department renowned for waste. Imagine the 6 figure salaries and lifetime benefits the Democrats could pack into this baby.
Trump's "plan" is to reduce the costs of health care so you don't need someone to centrally administer it. The real solution is forcing companies to set fixed prices for services, and getting drug prices for Americans just like everyone else in the world gets.