You are bringing the talking points of the russian propaganda machine. I wonder how people in Ukraine lived peacefully, then boom! Just as the moment is right for the neighbor russia, decided to go and kill their fellow citizens. Just as in Georgia a few years before that. I wonder, who's next - Belarus, Kazakhstan, or Latvia.
I am one of these ethnic russians from the east of Ukraine. Spoke russian at home, but never wanted a foreign guy (putin) to "defend" me. I grew up a Ukrainian, and I've only been in russia a single day of my life. I've never felt any inconvenience. I did respectfully learn the language. russia is a foreign country to me. Now I'm in USA, so solely based on the fact that I can speak russian, putin is gonna "defend" me here? No thanks.
No one would seriously talk that "ethnic russians are doing this-and-this", this is BS. Yanukovych was russian puppet, just see where he escaped to - he lives in russia now, and can't go to any other country. He WAS corrupt. What the maidan did was right. It wad internal Ukrainian affair, no need to explain to russia or any other neighbor. And at this moment when Yanukovych ran away, and country was weakened, russians stabbed in the back, like they always wanted.
russia brings their soldiers, like cowards, without chevrons to Crimea and they host a "referendum". Ukraine like many countries does not allow local referendum on territories leaving the country. It was not legitimate.
russian national, Strelkov-Girkin starts to shoot Ukrainian SBU and border patrol on Donbass. Weakened at that moment Ukrainian military tries to get back control. Thousands of russian citizens cross the border, disguised as "Donbass miners" are shooting them. Militia groups, like Red Sector are helpful - anyone defending and dying for the country is honored. And you call them "neo-nazi" militia, that isn't going to convince anyone in these days. You listen to the American left, every Trump support is "neo-nazi". Just like to Biden and others, Kyle or Proud Boys are "neo-nazi militants". putin and russians had no business to send troops/volunteers to Ukraine - it is a separate country, you don't do that, you stay behind the border. Interestingly, that ethnically a big part these russian invaders are not even slavic - they are buyats, yakuts, chechens - just like during the Mongol Orda times. Even the slavs would speak with moscow and st.peterburg accent/use their specific regional words, and would not know how to use subway, as they came to my birth city of Kharkiv, trying to disguise themselves as "locals", and walking in support of "People's Republic of Kharkiv". My school friends, football hooligans (="nazis", in russian propaganda terms), would rightfully beat the crap out of them. But thanks to these hooligans my birth city lives peacefully today.
Yep, Biden is corrupt, he did pressure Ukraine to fire the general prosecutor. I've heard about the story years before it reached American media, and for what I know, it is true. Ukrainian president Poroshenko told the prosecutor, basically, "you know, we are in a tough situation, and if you are a patriot, please leave". Biden should be jailed for stealing the American taxpayers' money. Yes, probably multiple actors were trying to use the situation to their advantage, Biden, or Soros, or whoever. But it is expected, to some extent - life is complex, nothing is for free, and no one will save you but yourself. So Ukrainians had to balance between all them, and I'd say, take the money from Soros, take the weapons from Satan if that's the only option - but keep the russia away.
And, by the way, as a nationalist, and someone who gree up loving America and capitalism, as opposed to russia and communism, I naturally supported Trump since 2016. Every leader should put their country first. I could see through all these BS claims, that he's a "putin's puppet". And Present Trump helped Ukraine way more than Obama. All he is saying, that Obama sent blankets, and he sent anti-tank weapons, it is all true. He pressures russia diplomatically, with NordStream, while calling putin a great guy XD. Much better than Obama who was verbally tough in public, but "flexible" with putin when in private.
Hey. The state department was negotiating with Yanukovich. They even asked Paul Manafort, who knew him well, to come to help them. The podestas worked with Paul Manafort too. They loved Yanukovich. He was not Putin's puppet in their minds. Angela Merkel negotiatiated with Yanukovich to get him to sign the deal with the EU. It's all on public record. Just read the news. Then BOOM. He refuses the deal in 2013. The negotiation fails. The State department with Victoria Nuland calls him "the most corrupt person in the world!" and character assassinate him. The Maiden becomes violent because of that turn around. The State Department/CIA were pushing him out, without an election. At the end he's so hated that the people want to kill him. All that change happened in only one year. No referendum to ask what the Ukrainian people want. This is CRIMINAL and ANTI DEMOCRATIC. He was elected fairly in 2010. The Crimean people saw that violence and guess what? The man they voted for was gone. So I have no doubt in my mind that Crimea was pissed off and they voted overwhelmingly to leave Ukraine. The Obama administration accelerated Crimea to leave Ukraine. It's their mess. And Nuland was all over it with her best friend, Hillary Clinton.
Very, very weak justification, that misses a lot of what I said. It seem to explain the logic on the surface, but ignores the fact that you don't do local referendums on a part of territory that wants to secede, russian soldiers without chevrons in Crimea, the fact that Yanukovych fled, the fact that he flees to russia (while presumably not being a russian puppet), the fact that he didn't have to flee but chose to, the fact that masked russian soldiers were in Crimea months before he fled, the fact that Crimea and Donbass "want" to form "independent People's Republics", only to join russia at the first convenience, the fact that deal with russia Yanukovych was about to sign would de-facto end Ukraine's independence, you introduce a false dilemma of a choice between the EU and russia, while not assuming that Ukrainians might wanted to put Ukraine first and get rid of a corrupt president, regardless of Merkel or putin, reject russia deal first and deal with EU later. And the fact that it seems to always go this way with russia's neighbors - first Georgians were living ok for decades, then "suddenly" decided to attack their fellow citizens, and russia was ready to "help the oppressed", then it happens in Ukraine. russia does tolerate some visibility of independence of its neighbors, until they exercise it, or until they make russia's corrupt putin, who rules for over 20 years, look bad. russia has nothing to offer, it is not a picture from that postcard, it is a rotten country living up to the ideas of corruption and enriching the elites. I cannot wait for it to break apart, preferably into "People's Republics" with no rule of law, so that they reap what they sow, and every time I hear that russian soldiers kick the bucket, I celebrate.
You are bringing the talking points of the russian propaganda machine. I wonder how people in Ukraine lived peacefully, then boom! Just as the moment is right for the neighbor russia, decided to go and kill their fellow citizens. Just as in Georgia a few years before that. I wonder, who's next - Belarus, Kazakhstan, or Latvia.
I am one of these ethnic russians from the east of Ukraine. Spoke russian at home, but never wanted a foreign guy (putin) to "defend" me. I grew up a Ukrainian, and I've only been in russia a single day of my life. I've never felt any inconvenience. I did respectfully learn the language. russia is a foreign country to me. Now I'm in USA, so solely based on the fact that I can speak russian, putin is gonna "defend" me here? No thanks.
No one would seriously talk that "ethnic russians are doing this-and-this", this is BS. Yanukovych was russian puppet, just see where he escaped to - he lives in russia now, and can't go to any other country. He WAS corrupt. What the maidan did was right. It wad internal Ukrainian affair, no need to explain to russia or any other neighbor. And at this moment when Yanukovych ran away, and country was weakened, russians stabbed in the back, like they always wanted.
russia brings their soldiers, like cowards, without chevrons to Crimea and they host a "referendum". Ukraine like many countries does not allow local referendum on territories leaving the country. It was not legitimate.
russian national, Strelkov-Girkin starts to shoot Ukrainian SBU and border patrol on Donbass. Weakened at that moment Ukrainian military tries to get back control. Thousands of russian citizens cross the border, disguised as "Donbass miners" are shooting them. Militia groups, like Red Sector are helpful - anyone defending and dying for the country is honored. And you call them "neo-nazi" militia, that isn't going to convince anyone in these days. You listen to the American left, every Trump support is "neo-nazi". Just like to Biden and others, Kyle or Proud Boys are "neo-nazi militants". putin and russians had no business to send troops/volunteers to Ukraine - it is a separate country, you don't do that, you stay behind the border. Interestingly, that ethnically a big part these russian invaders are not even slavic - they are buyats, yakuts, chechens - just like during the Mongol Orda times. Even the slavs would speak with moscow and st.peterburg accent/use their specific regional words, and would not know how to use subway, as they came to my birth city of Kharkiv, trying to disguise themselves as "locals", and walking in support of "People's Republic of Kharkiv". My school friends, football hooligans (="nazis", in russian propaganda terms), would rightfully beat the crap out of them. But thanks to these hooligans my birth city lives peacefully today.
Yep, Biden is corrupt, he did pressure Ukraine to fire the general prosecutor. I've heard about the story years before it reached American media, and for what I know, it is true. Ukrainian president Poroshenko told the prosecutor, basically, "you know, we are in a tough situation, and if you are a patriot, please leave". Biden should be jailed for stealing the American taxpayers' money. Yes, probably multiple actors were trying to use the situation to their advantage, Biden, or Soros, or whoever. But it is expected, to some extent - life is complex, nothing is for free, and no one will save you but yourself. So Ukrainians had to balance between all them, and I'd say, take the money from Soros, take the weapons from Satan if that's the only option - but keep the russia away. And, by the way, as a nationalist, and someone who gree up loving America and capitalism, as opposed to russia and communism, I naturally supported Trump since 2016. Every leader should put their country first. I could see through all these BS claims, that he's a "putin's puppet". And Present Trump helped Ukraine way more than Obama. All he is saying, that Obama sent blankets, and he sent anti-tank weapons, it is all true. He pressures russia diplomatically, with NordStream, while calling putin a great guy XD. Much better than Obama who was verbally tough in public, but "flexible" with putin when in private.
Hey. The state department was negotiating with Yanukovich. They even asked Paul Manafort, who knew him well, to come to help them. The podestas worked with Paul Manafort too. They loved Yanukovich. He was not Putin's puppet in their minds. Angela Merkel negotiatiated with Yanukovich to get him to sign the deal with the EU. It's all on public record. Just read the news. Then BOOM. He refuses the deal in 2013. The negotiation fails. The State department with Victoria Nuland calls him "the most corrupt person in the world!" and character assassinate him. The Maiden becomes violent because of that turn around. The State Department/CIA were pushing him out, without an election. At the end he's so hated that the people want to kill him. All that change happened in only one year. No referendum to ask what the Ukrainian people want. This is CRIMINAL and ANTI DEMOCRATIC. He was elected fairly in 2010. The Crimean people saw that violence and guess what? The man they voted for was gone. So I have no doubt in my mind that Crimea was pissed off and they voted overwhelmingly to leave Ukraine. The Obama administration accelerated Crimea to leave Ukraine. It's their mess. And Nuland was all over it with her best friend, Hillary Clinton.
Very, very weak justification, that misses a lot of what I said. It seem to explain the logic on the surface, but ignores the fact that you don't do local referendums on a part of territory that wants to secede, russian soldiers without chevrons in Crimea, the fact that Yanukovych fled, the fact that he flees to russia (while presumably not being a russian puppet), the fact that he didn't have to flee but chose to, the fact that masked russian soldiers were in Crimea months before he fled, the fact that Crimea and Donbass "want" to form "independent People's Republics", only to join russia at the first convenience, the fact that deal with russia Yanukovych was about to sign would de-facto end Ukraine's independence, you introduce a false dilemma of a choice between the EU and russia, while not assuming that Ukrainians might wanted to put Ukraine first and get rid of a corrupt president, regardless of Merkel or putin, reject russia deal first and deal with EU later. And the fact that it seems to always go this way with russia's neighbors - first Georgians were living ok for decades, then "suddenly" decided to attack their fellow citizens, and russia was ready to "help the oppressed", then it happens in Ukraine. russia does tolerate some visibility of independence of its neighbors, until they exercise it, or until they make russia's corrupt putin, who rules for over 20 years, look bad. russia has nothing to offer, it is not a picture from that postcard, it is a rotten country living up to the ideas of corruption and enriching the elites. I cannot wait for it to break apart, preferably into "People's Republics" with no rule of law, so that they reap what they sow, and every time I hear that russian soldiers kick the bucket, I celebrate.
BTW, did you also imply that MH17 is somehow CIA's job? That's russia too...