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Yeah Sorry but ya gotta clean out quite a few whiney bitches before we're able to absorb you. Still dealing with too many California residents to be able to quell your politicians too.
Okay, this is a great plan, except for one thing. Don't give NY and Cali to them, send them to Mexico instead. The population of commies/leftists in NY/Cali should equal about the amount of illegal aliens from Mexico that are in America. It's only fair.
Problem is in Canada we use FPTP and don't vote for a senate or prime minister. Unless you're able to crush the urban blocks in Toronto, Ottawa, and southern Quebec it would never happen.
The situation in Canada is what the US would be like without the electoral college. Pandering to only urban areas.
My man! How can we fire up the rest of you?
There’s a great deal more patriots in California than multiple states combined, but danged if 95% of the people blocking the fast lane don’t have CA plates.
What’s it gonna take to get your neighbors to look around and observe their environment?
Hate to say it, but any state that shares a border with the sunshine state learns to hate that red cursive.
Strategically it makes sense. A direct overland route to Alaska would speed up deployment of Military assets to the region. Supposing Alaska was under threat of Conventional Military attack by hostile forces.
As it stands there’s no conceivable conventional threat to Alaska. Canada is Militarily a non factor. Only conceivable legitimate threat would be Canadian Special Forces. Which are hamstrung by the inability of the rest of the Canadian Forces to meaningfully support their operations.
Honestly at this point it would be less of an invasion and more the middles of American and Canada joining up to fight off their respective leftist occupations.
The world would literally not allow this though. Our allies would be like /denounce and China and Russia would send nukes our way just because and then everyone would nod their heads in approval since the world has been brainwashed to hate us
You think? I would expect China would use it as an opportunity to take over the south china sea, maybe even take over China.
I just don't see them launching nukes because 1) Canada probably wouldn't appreciate all that fallout next door, and 2) same with Mexico, although noone probably cares what they think.
I could also maybe see Russia invading Alaska under the guise of defending Canada while secretely aiming to take it over.
Used to drive through it to Prince Rupert to take a ferry home to SE Alaska...still live here, just dont leave my island as much with children anymore.
If the U.S. became embroiled in civil conflict, so too would Canada. Revolutionary sentiment is infectious, and Canada and the U.S. are tightly bound at the hip.
Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, and likely the territories as well, would join the red states. B.C. joins Cali, Oregon and Washington. Ontario goes off on its own, as does Quebec.
Quebec does have a history of surrendering at the drop of a hat, but I think the Separatists here would love to make a new country out of Quebec and Ontario. I mean, separatists on both sides would be really happy.
Do you want to share your country with the leftists, or do you plan on exterminating them all? They aren’t going to magically change their beliefs. The cultural marxist disease is deep.
That's why you remove them and put them somewhere else. We 100% MUST have full control of the coasts. It's absolutely vital to project power and protect our economic function. This cannot be understated.
It takes 7 years on average for a company to secure a mine permit in the USA. We have plenty of mineral wealth that we can't access because the dipshit greens, useless bureaucrats, and wealth sucking lawyers wetting their beaks.
Overall, the U.S. is tied with Papua Guinea for the longest approval process among the 25 top mining countries in the world, according to Behre Dolbear Group, an international mining and mineral advisory group. In Australia, a huge mining center, the process takes an average of one to two years.
It shouldn't take that long. But we also can't just allow companies to do whatever they want. The USA has some of the most beautiful enviorments in the world!
Sure, you can ask the owner those questions, but what if they lie to you? That's what used to happen, which is why they started doing on site inspections. Once you on site inspections, then suddenly you have all the overhead of that in that you need to do regular inspections, audits, etc. Any bureaucracy leads to lots of overhead, especially with something as potentially disastrous in the wrong hands like mining. I'm all for reducing regulations, but going with the honor system doesn't cut it these days.
Wish it were that simple. You should see some of the shitholes created by mining in an irresponsible way. The truth is a company or man that "owns" something only lasts so long. Land is forever and once despoiled it's nearly impossible to get it cleaned up.
There are definitely improvements that can be made to speed up the process however.
That would be great if it was applied to all countries equally. The problem is the USA is crippled with massive regulations while China runs around the world with a mining axe swinging at the first thing they see.
This isn't so much about mining as it is about processing. No amount of money could get you a permit to build a facility to process rare Earth minerals in the US under Obama.
Until now we have exclusively shipped the work out to China. The process is very dirty and requires facilities just to house the very toxic by-products.
Not only does China essentially remove any environmental protections, but it leaves us completely dependent on our #1 enemy.
Should be no more than two weeks, and green groups should be prohibited from suing the government and the mining companies over land use.
Because some people take everything literally and sarcasm doesn't translate well online EDIT : Should've clarified, my bad, not literally two weeks, I was being sarcastic.
Seven years is ridiculous, but so is two weeks. 18 months is appropriate. One year to gather data on the possible impacts to the environment throughout that year, then 6 months to go through the actual permitting process.
Assume what I did or did not think of, and call me cunt over it. Go fuck yourself.
I did think of those, and they are not unkowns in the industry. Electricity, shifts, equipment? Those are typically planned out by the mining company before they even apply! The remainder are carried out/approved by all the layers of bureaucracy, and take so long due to all the regulations and the aforementioned layers of bureaucracy. That should not take even a year to sort out. There is no good reason the process should take so damn long. More than two weeks? Sure, fine. Your post reads as if mining is new to this country. Do you think that mining companies haven't sorted this shit out by now? Do you think they don't spend tons of time and money surveying an area before going forward?
7 years is the average. It shouldn't take more than 2-3 years for ANYTHING, this includes buildings, roads, bridges. JUST build it! Ask questions later! I can understand more dangerous operations such as natural gas mining or oil drilling near a population center but this is part of the problem and why nothing can get done.
People forget why that long average is bad. The process requires investors to offer capital on the gamble, and if it takes 7 years before they can see a dime back, a lot of projects never get past basic exploration.
$6 trillion in aid to Africa through all time, and what have we gotten for it? Why would any further spending be spent any better? I agree we need to counter China's influence in Africa, but throwing money at the problem is only going to make some people rich, and none of the local problems solved.
And building infrastructure that cant/won't be maintained by the local populace is a wise expenditure? That wouldn't be throwing money away?
I like your tack in general because I think the whole "teach a man to fish" thing is pretty much always the best way but I just have no faith that even the "capable" in Africa would be immune to the pervasive lack of caring by 99% of the populace. You would have to some system wherein we would be allowed to hire and maintain companies for security and maintenance of that infrastructure and we're basically back at the colonialism that they're always bitching about.
Hey sorry to hijack just wanted to tell pedes about something I saw this morning... China literally have government controlled catholic churches with childrens church books pushing prayers to China: "I will learn to love my country like Jesus did, In order to show my gratitude to you"
Thought it was interesting seeing as the American school system teaches to hate their country... See what's going on here?
I have a degree in Geology but was never able to find work because of the so called environmentalists. There are many more like me who would love to work in the mineral and mining field. Did you hear Biden say there would never be another coal plant opened up in America? Trump might have took that comment to heart. F China.
You and me both. Worked as a prospector / geologist in my late teens early 20's now I do I.T. because there was no possible way to work without some huge enterprise backingyou
Mining engineer checking in, currently working the industrial minerals sector. People forget things like the steel industry requires more than just iron and coal.
Whenever I see proof that the Trump Admin is tackling real issues, working hard to secure America's future, it only makes me hate the Left more for trying to take it all away from us. Hate is honestly not enough to describe my feelings anymore, I need something stronger.
Peter Navarro, the White House’s Director of Trade and Manufacturing Policy and one of Trump’s top China advisers, further told Caller that the president’s executive order “will help turn Minnesota’s Iron Range into the Copper, Nickel, and Cobalt Ranges as well. Numerous other states, from Arizona and Colorado to Michigan and Pennsylvania, will benefit as well.”
This is great to hear as an Arizonan. We need something from Trump to benefit us to counteract all the Democrat bullshit happening here. Fuck Mark Kelly!
China has already made it clear it aims to mine the Solar System for minerals, starting with a prospecting craft launching this November. A Space Race 2.0 with China seems inevitable.
Well he will be gone after 2021 since he isn't allowed to run, the real goal is to destroy the Democrat Party and take back control of both state houses.
This is big. China was able to blackmail American companies into moving production to China by access to minerals we couldn't mine here anymore due to environmental bullshit.
Regarding Rare Earth minerals, China has been dominating since the Mountain Pass mine in California stopped extracting significant amounts of rare earth minerals. See this article giving a nice history of the Rare Earth Elements for some more information:
MAKE MINERALS AMERICAN AGAIN
Yeah Sorry but ya gotta clean out quite a few whiney bitches before we're able to absorb you. Still dealing with too many California residents to be able to quell your politicians too.
This is some fallout level shit right there.
Man, I've heard of Canadian nice but this takes the taco.
Fuck not giving you voting rights. We gotta get you guys' asses a Bill of Rights.
Mexico takes the taco. I believe Canada would take the poutine.
Underrated comment right here!
Democracy was a mistake. We'll invade you if you help us abolish public voting rights altogether.
Good thing America is a Constitutional Republic and not a Democracy!
The republic is a democracy.
It's a meme I know but still
I'll move west, and bring my white flag.
Do I see a new EO in the making?
We're smaller than Commiefornia in population, but we've got way more land. It's a great idea. Someone run it by Trump.
Okay, this is a great plan, except for one thing. Don't give NY and Cali to them, send them to Mexico instead. The population of commies/leftists in NY/Cali should equal about the amount of illegal aliens from Mexico that are in America. It's only fair.
As long as I can still have my winter home in FL. Winters are so cold up north.
Problem is in Canada we use FPTP and don't vote for a senate or prime minister. Unless you're able to crush the urban blocks in Toronto, Ottawa, and southern Quebec it would never happen.
The situation in Canada is what the US would be like without the electoral college. Pandering to only urban areas.
Gotta kick out all the French speakers first.
Californian here, ready and equipped to rock and roll. Lets fucking go.
My man! How can we fire up the rest of you? There’s a great deal more patriots in California than multiple states combined, but danged if 95% of the people blocking the fast lane don’t have CA plates. What’s it gonna take to get your neighbors to look around and observe their environment?
Hate to say it, but any state that shares a border with the sunshine state learns to hate that red cursive.
Make it a serfdom
Manifest Destiny II: Connect Alaska to the Union.
That's the biggest dream and I really want it to happen so bad.
I'd settle for Greenland, at least, for now.
Greenland would be fantastic. I 100% support the acquisition of Greenland.
We absolutely must keep it out of the hands of China and any other nefarious nation!
Nefarious (i.e. all other nations)
Fuck it, I'll say it, make globalism American again! Fucking Trump is showing us how!
(I actually hate globalism and the UN but if anyone should dictate shit to the world it should be Trump and ultra patriots not globo homos)
Yes. We take over their revolution, commoditize it, and sell it back to them.
Strategically it makes sense. A direct overland route to Alaska would speed up deployment of Military assets to the region. Supposing Alaska was under threat of Conventional Military attack by hostile forces.
As it stands there’s no conceivable conventional threat to Alaska. Canada is Militarily a non factor. Only conceivable legitimate threat would be Canadian Special Forces. Which are hamstrung by the inability of the rest of the Canadian Forces to meaningfully support their operations.
We have so many people atleast in the populated areas, They would go after anybody in a land war. I think they could take the army too.
Because Russia isn't less than a mile away at the closest location...
Under the current bi-national treaties USNORTHCOM already has a direct overland route. In terms of continental defence US and Canada are one.
54'40 or fight!
Um, isn't that... south of the current border?
Current border west of Lake of the Woods is along the 49th parallel. Alaska extends to 54'40
"54'40 or fight!" Look it up.
Be cool if we could take all the provinces west of Ontario, then give us both Yukon and Northwest Territories.
Honestly at this point it would be less of an invasion and more the middles of American and Canada joining up to fight off their respective leftist occupations.
Hell just looked at the map, we can take Nunavut too. Lol maybe this can get us closer to acquiring Greenland?
Planning makes sense I suppose... although if you're not going to do anything about it it almost seems like a waste of time.
So I guess the question is, do people up there think that is even a remote possibility?
The world would literally not allow this though. Our allies would be like /denounce and China and Russia would send nukes our way just because and then everyone would nod their heads in approval since the world has been brainwashed to hate us
You think? I would expect China would use it as an opportunity to take over the south china sea, maybe even take over China.
I just don't see them launching nukes because 1) Canada probably wouldn't appreciate all that fallout next door, and 2) same with Mexico, although noone probably cares what they think.
I could also maybe see Russia invading Alaska under the guise of defending Canada while secretely aiming to take it over.
I would love for the USA to take British Columbia...absolutely gorgeous.
This! I drove through Canada this weekend and it is beyond beautiful in BC
Used to drive through it to Prince Rupert to take a ferry home to SE Alaska...still live here, just dont leave my island as much with children anymore.
If the U.S. became embroiled in civil conflict, so too would Canada. Revolutionary sentiment is infectious, and Canada and the U.S. are tightly bound at the hip.
Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, and likely the territories as well, would join the red states. B.C. joins Cali, Oregon and Washington. Ontario goes off on its own, as does Quebec.
Quebec surrenders day 1.
Quebec does have a history of surrendering at the drop of a hat, but I think the Separatists here would love to make a new country out of Quebec and Ontario. I mean, separatists on both sides would be really happy.
I ain't giving up the freaking coasts.
Do you want to share your country with the leftists, or do you plan on exterminating them all? They aren’t going to magically change their beliefs. The cultural marxist disease is deep.
That's why you remove them and put them somewhere else. We 100% MUST have full control of the coasts. It's absolutely vital to project power and protect our economic function. This cannot be understated.
54'40 would not include anything east of the Northwest Angle. Probably pretty safe.
Add four new states: Puerto Rico, D.C., and a couple of new ones from Canada. :)
I'd love to, but we don't want your radicals. Somehow they are even worse than ours
As insane as our leftists are, they're the least left leftists in the western world.
Just think about that for a second.
Don't worry. You only really find radicals in the mineral dust. Granted it can cause long term damage if you accidentally taken in too much.
GIVE HANK MINERALS AGAIN
One of the biggest moves he can make in his entire presidency. Anything that hurts China is good for us.
FVAC!
They are merging with MP Materials and one of the only substantial rate earth stocks based in America.
I have shares in the Pebble mine, I know it is a long shot, knew it was when I bought the shares - but ....
It takes 7 years on average for a company to secure a mine permit in the USA. We have plenty of mineral wealth that we can't access because the dipshit greens, useless bureaucrats, and wealth sucking lawyers wetting their beaks.
Source - https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748703822404575019123766644644#:~:text=Obtaining%20the%20permits%20and%20approvals,go%20to%20start%20a%20project.
EDIT: I didn't expect so many enviro-pussies here. If I said the phrase cyanide heap leach y'all would probably hide under your covers.
It shouldn't take that long. But we also can't just allow companies to do whatever they want. The USA has some of the most beautiful enviorments in the world!
It should take like 30 minutes. You own it? You want to mine it? It won't disturb your neighbor's land? Go ahead.
Sure, you can ask the owner those questions, but what if they lie to you? That's what used to happen, which is why they started doing on site inspections. Once you on site inspections, then suddenly you have all the overhead of that in that you need to do regular inspections, audits, etc. Any bureaucracy leads to lots of overhead, especially with something as potentially disastrous in the wrong hands like mining. I'm all for reducing regulations, but going with the honor system doesn't cut it these days.
Also the problem of the superfund sites where the company just closed their doors and leaves thousands of tons of hideously toxic waste behind.
I don't think it'd be an issue if jail was on the table. Corporations screw up and they shrug and pay a miniscule fine.
Wish it were that simple. You should see some of the shitholes created by mining in an irresponsible way. The truth is a company or man that "owns" something only lasts so long. Land is forever and once despoiled it's nearly impossible to get it cleaned up. There are definitely improvements that can be made to speed up the process however.
And if you destroy the environment and kill countless animals while doing so - who cares? I'm glad that's not how it works.
That would be great if it was applied to all countries equally. The problem is the USA is crippled with massive regulations while China runs around the world with a mining axe swinging at the first thing they see.
A simple way is to introduce tariffs for countries with lax environment or labor laws in order to equalise the prices.
Of course it should apply to China as well
Correct - America's current philosophy is "let them run out, and us be the only ones who've got any."
Permit is when a government steals a right from people and sells it back in a limited format.
This isn't so much about mining as it is about processing. No amount of money could get you a permit to build a facility to process rare Earth minerals in the US under Obama.
Until now we have exclusively shipped the work out to China. The process is very dirty and requires facilities just to house the very toxic by-products.
Not only does China essentially remove any environmental protections, but it leaves us completely dependent on our #1 enemy.
This is huge.
You are so right. If they cut us off, we are screwed!
Should be no more than two weeks, and green groups should be prohibited from suing the government and the mining companies over land use.
Because some people take everything literally and sarcasm doesn't translate well online EDIT : Should've clarified, my bad, not literally two weeks, I was being sarcastic.
Seven years is ridiculous, but so is two weeks. 18 months is appropriate. One year to gather data on the possible impacts to the environment throughout that year, then 6 months to go through the actual permitting process.
Also underground water reservoirs/wells/aquifers and other issues with digging down.
Still support the move for being more independent but lets explore it a tad more
Dust isn't going to hurt you
It could be the mine floods, spills shit into the water ways.
Simple fertilizer run off is huge problem in FL.
Assume what I did or did not think of, and call me cunt over it. Go fuck yourself.
I did think of those, and they are not unkowns in the industry. Electricity, shifts, equipment? Those are typically planned out by the mining company before they even apply! The remainder are carried out/approved by all the layers of bureaucracy, and take so long due to all the regulations and the aforementioned layers of bureaucracy. That should not take even a year to sort out. There is no good reason the process should take so damn long. More than two weeks? Sure, fine. Your post reads as if mining is new to this country. Do you think that mining companies haven't sorted this shit out by now? Do you think they don't spend tons of time and money surveying an area before going forward?
7 years is the average. It shouldn't take more than 2-3 years for ANYTHING, this includes buildings, roads, bridges. JUST build it! Ask questions later! I can understand more dangerous operations such as natural gas mining or oil drilling near a population center but this is part of the problem and why nothing can get done.
People forget why that long average is bad. The process requires investors to offer capital on the gamble, and if it takes 7 years before they can see a dime back, a lot of projects never get past basic exploration.
You have black community leaders domestically state that black people are not culturally ready for home ownership.
Well that doesn’t necessarily mean anything. Just ‘giving’ people farmland doesn’t mean they’ll be able to use that farmland.
The soviets tried it China tried it After occupy wallstreet leftists tried working farms and they gave up A few african countries tried it.
It’s always a failure no matter who tries it.
$6 trillion in aid to Africa through all time, and what have we gotten for it? Why would any further spending be spent any better? I agree we need to counter China's influence in Africa, but throwing money at the problem is only going to make some people rich, and none of the local problems solved.
And building infrastructure that cant/won't be maintained by the local populace is a wise expenditure? That wouldn't be throwing money away?
I like your tack in general because I think the whole "teach a man to fish" thing is pretty much always the best way but I just have no faith that even the "capable" in Africa would be immune to the pervasive lack of caring by 99% of the populace. You would have to some system wherein we would be allowed to hire and maintain companies for security and maintenance of that infrastructure and we're basically back at the colonialism that they're always bitching about.
If you use the infrastructure to extract resources worth more than the infrastructure, then yes.
China's new dam is already leaking.
They need roads. Transportation is too costly and unreliable for working people to survive, let alone thrive.
The Chicom influence has been hugely detrimental, top-down. Solving that problem is much more difficult than building a few roads.
Ultimately, end-markets must shake their addiction to 17th Century imperialist tactics.
The entire industrialized world are the imperialists - China is most despised though. But this can and should be fixed.
A sure fire way of getting black African peoples to dis-trust America, is to make it seem like we are full of whtie racist.
Want to know why China has such a hardon for Australia?
Iron Ore.
To make cheap pig iron that is used to make cheap steel that undercuts American made steel.
Hey sorry to hijack just wanted to tell pedes about something I saw this morning... China literally have government controlled catholic churches with childrens church books pushing prayers to China: "I will learn to love my country like Jesus did, In order to show my gratitude to you"
Thought it was interesting seeing as the American school system teaches to hate their country... See what's going on here?
I have a degree in Geology but was never able to find work because of the so called environmentalists. There are many more like me who would love to work in the mineral and mining field. Did you hear Biden say there would never be another coal plant opened up in America? Trump might have took that comment to heart. F China.
You and me both. Worked as a prospector / geologist in my late teens early 20's now I do I.T. because there was no possible way to work without some huge enterprise backingyou
Mining engineer checking in, currently working the industrial minerals sector. People forget things like the steel industry requires more than just iron and coal.
And a plan to give the Democrats a monopoly on salt!
Balls of Adamantium
Whenever I see proof that the Trump Admin is tackling real issues, working hard to secure America's future, it only makes me hate the Left more for trying to take it all away from us. Hate is honestly not enough to describe my feelings anymore, I need something stronger.
Loathe?
I'm ok with buying up all their minerals and saving ours for defense only.
You have to have the know-how in order to use them. At least some production is necessary in case it needs to be increased in wartime.
Winning message right there.
This is great to hear as an Arizonan. We need something from Trump to benefit us to counteract all the Democrat bullshit happening here. Fuck Mark Kelly!
Renewables are reliant upon rare earth minerals, of which China controls ~80%.
End the Chinese control of these minerals and the global warming hoax will be dead.
Fuck China! KAG
Fuck China.
Does it involve space mining?
On the moon? Or asteroids? LOL. That giant Romulan ship in the JJ Abrams Star Trek re-boot was an asteroid mining ship.
Not this particular plan, but it was mentioned to establish a manned presence on the moon here
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/media/trump-campaign-announces-president-trumps-2nd-term-agenda-fighting-for-you
Yup.
China has already made it clear it aims to mine the Solar System for minerals, starting with a prospecting craft launching this November. A Space Race 2.0 with China seems inevitable.
Nice. Hope we collect some Vespene Gas next
Gotta make some more SCVs!
Hopefully it includes using Virginia's old coal mines for rare minerals and other valuable resources.
If you can get rid of governor blackface
Well he will be gone after 2021 since he isn't allowed to run, the real goal is to destroy the Democrat Party and take back control of both state houses.
This is big. China was able to blackmail American companies into moving production to China by access to minerals we couldn't mine here anymore due to environmental bullshit.
I’m pleasantly surprised Trump is signing this EO now after he denied the section 232 memorandum for Uranium last year.
This is fucking gigantic. To anybody worth a damn Trump might as well have won reelection right here.
ALSO INVEST IN U.S. RARE EARTH
They don’t call it the “Red Planet” for nothing.
Not commie red
Republican, hard working red.
The lying media switched the colors of red and blue in 2000 when they figured out a lot of Americans associated red with Communism.
Does this mean we're buying Greenland?!
It means that the price just went up 😉
YUUUUGE. Raw Materials is the source to national security. Wade through Wages of Destruction and see how insecure resources led to WW2.
This should be a giant news story
I don't doubt this kind of thing is why everything is happening this year.
Here is the full EO if anyone wants it:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-addressing-threat-domestic-supply-chain-reliance-critical-minerals-foreign-adversaries/
The tiny thumbnail makes it look like Trump is whispering into Pooh's ear, "No more honey for you!".
No. "Silly pooh bear".
China is asshoe!
Regarding Rare Earth minerals, China has been dominating since the Mountain Pass mine in California stopped extracting significant amounts of rare earth minerals. See this article giving a nice history of the Rare Earth Elements for some more information:
Source
Canada has all you need. Annex canada
Invest in NAK
BEST PRESIDENT EVER!
Space mining, sign me up! We're gonna be watching that ish on TV instead of crab fishers and ice road truckers..
Okay cool now do South Korea ;)
can't wait for Biden in the next debate to say "you dont even have a plan for this, man"
Or just end China.. that's cool too
WE REQUIRE MORE MINERALS
Imagine how much money China is going to pay Hunter to shut this down if his daddy becomes president.
THE SPICE WILL FLOW
NOT ENOUGH MINERALS! I like seeing the President focus on the most important issue in the Koprulu sector.
"LET'S GET MINERAL, MINERAL, I WANNA GET MINERAL! LET ME HEAR YOUR TRUCK GO BRRRR!"
HYPE!!! FUCK CHINA