No Game of Thrones references, Season 8 retroactively made every prior Season unwatchable. All we can do moving forward is pretend it never existed. Knowing how much Hollywood loves to reboot shit because they ran out of ideas 20 years ago, they can try again in a decade after George R.R. Martin finally finishes the books.
“Battle of the Bastards” and “Winds of winter” were awesome episodes though. “Harhome” and “North of the Wall” as well. Those were some great voyages on the open seas. I see them as stand-alone feats of TV awesomeness, not part of a larger story.
So dumb how they made the story about dragons and this stupid castle magic shit.
The books have hints of that, but the story is also about the flow of history and peoples lives within it. The real monsters are all totally human, and even those with super special powers are totally human as well - in fact they are extra special flawed, because their special powers make them fuck up on even bigger scales.
But instead we got an ice zombie horde and dragons. Yawn. Who cares about that shit? The Red Wedding - that is what riveted us to the story. The unbelieveable but ripped from the pages of actual human history stories Martin worked into his plot - this was the heart of everything and why Martin can never finish the "story".
It also ended when the “good guys,” the god-fearing men and women who had honor and virtue, axed the insane socialist totalitarian and rightfully “won.”
Game of Thrones was amoral, despairing, deeply subversive, and un-American. I forced myself to watch it to see what everyone was talking about. I'm so glad it crashed and burned.
I'm a huge GoT fan but I actually agree with you, and--hear me out--I think it has to do with the fact that the author is childless. When you have kids you want to give them something to pass on to the world and pass a better world on to them. But the content is so nihilistic, only a selfish person who doesn't care if it all crashes and burns would create that. And I actually think he could have saved it and made a redemption story, but the fact that he never finished is, again, another comment on society.
Btw, I'm a writer, and I suspect that Martin is just burned out and maybe a little in over his head for the time being. Ice and Fire was supposed to be a trilogy, but he stretched it out and elaborated because he had a good thing going.
But as a writer you only have so much creative energy you can put into a thing before you run dry...and building that energy back up can take years or even decades. Sometimes you just want to walk away from it all together.
he stretched it out and elaborated because he had a good thing going.
Unfortunately I have a more pessimistic analysis :( The story IS a trilogy, and it ends with A Storm of Swords. The real story Martin wanted to tell is the Red Wedding. The complete destruction of the Stark family and the moment society turned on itself and destabilized. It used to be held together by the act of eating together and the references to bread and salt. The Red Wedding is a comment on how we rely on flimsy and meaningless social conventions to "protect" us but they're helpless in the face of power.
Martin insists that he has another thing going on after that event (we fans view it as the midpoint of the story) but he really doesn't. He just said that because nobody is gonna buy a book as described above. That is why the story totally falls apart after that book. Even TV only watchers know that is the point (season 4) show and books diverge in plot. Because there is no story after that.
It is the same concept we see in politics these days. For example at the Kavanaugh hearing Democrats just making up rape allegations. It doesn't matter if you have rules if people don't play by them or only one side observes them. The side breaking the rules will always have the advantage.
No Game of Thrones references, Season 8 retroactively made every prior Season unwatchable. All we can do moving forward is pretend it never existed. Knowing how much Hollywood loves to reboot shit because they ran out of ideas 20 years ago, they can try again in a decade after George R.R. Martin finally finishes the books.
That show was sinking in season 4. I can’t believe anyone stayed on for so long or that they were surprised at the ending.
The show died with Tywin...
Show died when they ran out of book material lol
Yep. I'm still fucking pissed.
“Battle of the Bastards” and “Winds of winter” were awesome episodes though. “Harhome” and “North of the Wall” as well. Those were some great voyages on the open seas. I see them as stand-alone feats of TV awesomeness, not part of a larger story.
But fuck how the series ended. Lazy AF writing.
So dumb how they made the story about dragons and this stupid castle magic shit.
The books have hints of that, but the story is also about the flow of history and peoples lives within it. The real monsters are all totally human, and even those with super special powers are totally human as well - in fact they are extra special flawed, because their special powers make them fuck up on even bigger scales.
But instead we got an ice zombie horde and dragons. Yawn. Who cares about that shit? The Red Wedding - that is what riveted us to the story. The unbelieveable but ripped from the pages of actual human history stories Martin worked into his plot - this was the heart of everything and why Martin can never finish the "story".
He could end it by reflecting history when a god-emperor came to power and saves Westeros.
"But we wanted our Dragon Stalin!"
It also ended when the “good guys,” the god-fearing men and women who had honor and virtue, axed the insane socialist totalitarian and rightfully “won.”
Game of Thrones was amoral, despairing, deeply subversive, and un-American. I forced myself to watch it to see what everyone was talking about. I'm so glad it crashed and burned.
I'm a huge GoT fan but I actually agree with you, and--hear me out--I think it has to do with the fact that the author is childless. When you have kids you want to give them something to pass on to the world and pass a better world on to them. But the content is so nihilistic, only a selfish person who doesn't care if it all crashes and burns would create that. And I actually think he could have saved it and made a redemption story, but the fact that he never finished is, again, another comment on society.
I really like this theory. :)
Btw, I'm a writer, and I suspect that Martin is just burned out and maybe a little in over his head for the time being. Ice and Fire was supposed to be a trilogy, but he stretched it out and elaborated because he had a good thing going.
But as a writer you only have so much creative energy you can put into a thing before you run dry...and building that energy back up can take years or even decades. Sometimes you just want to walk away from it all together.
Unfortunately I have a more pessimistic analysis :( The story IS a trilogy, and it ends with A Storm of Swords. The real story Martin wanted to tell is the Red Wedding. The complete destruction of the Stark family and the moment society turned on itself and destabilized. It used to be held together by the act of eating together and the references to bread and salt. The Red Wedding is a comment on how we rely on flimsy and meaningless social conventions to "protect" us but they're helpless in the face of power.
Martin insists that he has another thing going on after that event (we fans view it as the midpoint of the story) but he really doesn't. He just said that because nobody is gonna buy a book as described above. That is why the story totally falls apart after that book. Even TV only watchers know that is the point (season 4) show and books diverge in plot. Because there is no story after that.
It is the same concept we see in politics these days. For example at the Kavanaugh hearing Democrats just making up rape allegations. It doesn't matter if you have rules if people don't play by them or only one side observes them. The side breaking the rules will always have the advantage.