I tend to feel the same way. All the China virus did was let me know how incapable a majority of people are of dismissing emotion and having rational thought. It's really important to be able to do that, as sometimes in life shit has to get done regardless of emotional state.
Always keep in mind that humanity has the bare minimum ratios of rational thinkers to emotional thinkers to make the world you see around you possible. If we had a better ratio, we would have a different world.
True. I tend to say something like that when someone poses the "if you could go back and do one thing different in your life" question. My answer is always that I can't because I don't know how changing one thing would affect the rest of how I turned out.
I could argue I'd take a different world though. I'm typically a very rational thinker--perhaps a little too far to the rational side. If we get any more of an emotional world I'm going to go nuts.
I wonder if he's lost faith in climate change science yet? Because covid is like a microcosm of that. Only the most dire science which suits the agenda is allowed. Everything else is dismissed as unscientific, deniers,conspiracy theories, etc
I hang on basically every word he says. I can tell you that his tone has most definitely changed towards climate science, but he remains in the climate change is real camp. I think there's several reasons for this-
Anyone who is being intellectually honest would admit that global warming due to human causes IS a possibility
The downsides to electrification are minimal, and as a matter of fact could and already have led to massive breakthrough that will greatly improve conditions for humans across the entire planet.
He's got a massive financial stake in global warming being real
Basically it boils down to a gamble whether it's real or not and he's making the safe play with minimal downside
Anyone who is being intellectually honest would admit that global warming due to human causes IS a possibility
You clearly know nothing of the data. The chance that CO2 is the magic control knob of the climate is ZERO.
CO2 fluctuations in the historical record do NOT track with temperature, in fact it's a lagging indicator, coming after a temperature change.
The wavelength of light that CO2 absorbs is very limited, meaning the concentration of CO2 rapidly loses its ability to absorb additional energy as it saturates, meaning a very high diminishing return curve.
There is no control climate to test the models or theories on. 'Science' without a control is not science.
It's total junk science, pushed by Socialists to get what they want. It's the ultimate Big Lie, repeated until people like you start to believe it.
Except for all of the facts I just stated, which clearly show the theory is bullshit.
It's all based on the tiny warming from CO2 creating a 'tipping point' where water vapor increases, which is a REAL greenhouse gas. This would raise the temp, then more water vapor...and so on. This is their apocalypse theory.
Except it's obviously false. The Earth's climate is a negative feedback system, that self balances. If water vapor could increase temp, leading to more water vapor, in an endless loop, the Earth would have fried itself a billion years ago.
But yeah, the CO2 theory is bunk. More CO2 produces a greener earth. That's the balance to it. Better fed plants = bigger and more numerous = more overall consumption.
I have my own reservations about our impact to the environment - but it isn't in carbon emissions. It's in chemical and sewage dumping into our oceans, its in sending waste material to 3rd world countries where we can't control the end destination instead of processing or containing our own waste. It's in globalists blaming first world countries with excessive controls in ways that 3rd world countries are required zero control.
I could tell you how to falsify about every hypothesis I've heard of, down to the groundwork fundamentals. If energy in an equation somehow didn't equal mass times the speed of light squared, for instance. Pretty clear and straight forward, right?
How would one disprove the current idea of anthropogenic global warming?
Hell--every time I bring it up, suddenly everyone wants to talk about anthropogenic localized climate change, which was never the theory in the first place. (Draining the lake causing a decrease in lake effect snow isn't a globalized effect. Building a city so large it acts as a mountain range and causes a rain shadow effect on its leeward side isn't a globalized effect. Having bad farming techniques that lead to a drought that leads to a dust bowl isn't a globalized effect.) I've never met anyone who even questions these ideas. Also, all easily falsifiable: if you still have lake effect snow after draining the lake, for instance.
No warming for a few years? NOT ENOUGH: now we'll just call it climate change. More ice in the Antarctic? NOT ENOUGH: we'll just ignore that and focus on the Arctic. Increase in tree cover in North America over the past 100 years? NOPE: we'll just ignore that and talk about the Amazon being set on fire by farmers and pretend it's the weather. Beachfront property values still rising, indicating that not only do the rich elite who pimp this idea believe it the least but the math behind the investments still holds up on the financial side? OH GOD DON'T NOTICE THAT ONE: no really, this one they won't touch with a 10 foot pole, so I don't even know their reaction as it's gotten me booted from a lot of websites.
This isn't a scientific theory: this is theology. If there is literally no evidence I could ever collect to show you that you are wrong, it's your religion.
If you choose to believe just because of a "worst case scenario" situation, understand that's the exact same as a Christian who believes because on the off chance they are wrong they just lived their lives well but if they're right they aren't stuck in hell (and yes I've heard the religious make this argument too).
I don't begrudge people their faith. Just understand: it's your faith, not mine. And maybe reconsider trying to push our government towards a religion which we have no cultural or historic ties to. Especially one invented by Communists. ("Better Red than Dead." That's where this one started, just FYI.)
"Essentially, the right thing to do would be to not have done a lockdown for the whole country, but to have anyone who is at risk quarantine until the storm passes."
When Swisher questioned Musk about the safety of his Tesla employees and asked what if somebody were to die, the Tesla CEO said: "Everybody dies."
"Science" basically turned into a religion for the left, where you're not allowed to question Science or scientists, even though by it's very definition Science needs to be questioned to find the truth. It literally feels like we're living in upside-down world.
I had COVID. I’m in my 30s. I tell people it’s a shitty week, but you’ll sleep 16 hours a day, so whatever.
It’s hilarious now. I watch people near sobbing at work wiping things down while I just trudge through my day totally oblivious. It’s like I’m stone, they’re paper and the building is on fire. What a bunch of homos.
I tend to feel the same way. All the China virus did was let me know how incapable a majority of people are of dismissing emotion and having rational thought. It's really important to be able to do that, as sometimes in life shit has to get done regardless of emotional state.
Always keep in mind that humanity has the bare minimum ratios of rational thinkers to emotional thinkers to make the world you see around you possible. If we had a better ratio, we would have a different world.
True. I tend to say something like that when someone poses the "if you could go back and do one thing different in your life" question. My answer is always that I can't because I don't know how changing one thing would affect the rest of how I turned out.
I could argue I'd take a different world though. I'm typically a very rational thinker--perhaps a little too far to the rational side. If we get any more of an emotional world I'm going to go nuts.
[ starts reciting lyrics to Hemispheres in his head ]
Yep
I wonder if he's lost faith in climate change science yet? Because covid is like a microcosm of that. Only the most dire science which suits the agenda is allowed. Everything else is dismissed as unscientific, deniers,conspiracy theories, etc
Dude. Here’s what I realized recently.
Global Warming is atheist doomsday. It’s a secular religious thing. Proof? They could cure this shit and people would still be mad.
It’s a cult.
Exactly. Humanity must change its ways or be punished.
Like other doomsday cults, they now have a history of failed predictions
He can never admit he's lost faith in climate science. Many people buy tesla as a virtue signal to say their woke about it.
I hang on basically every word he says. I can tell you that his tone has most definitely changed towards climate science, but he remains in the climate change is real camp. I think there's several reasons for this-
Anyone who is being intellectually honest would admit that global warming due to human causes IS a possibility
The downsides to electrification are minimal, and as a matter of fact could and already have led to massive breakthrough that will greatly improve conditions for humans across the entire planet.
He's got a massive financial stake in global warming being real
Basically it boils down to a gamble whether it's real or not and he's making the safe play with minimal downside
You clearly know nothing of the data. The chance that CO2 is the magic control knob of the climate is ZERO.
CO2 fluctuations in the historical record do NOT track with temperature, in fact it's a lagging indicator, coming after a temperature change.
The wavelength of light that CO2 absorbs is very limited, meaning the concentration of CO2 rapidly loses its ability to absorb additional energy as it saturates, meaning a very high diminishing return curve.
There is no control climate to test the models or theories on. 'Science' without a control is not science.
It's total junk science, pushed by Socialists to get what they want. It's the ultimate Big Lie, repeated until people like you start to believe it.
You're making my exact point. Anyone who is drawing any firm conclusions either way is a moron. We simply don't know
Except for all of the facts I just stated, which clearly show the theory is bullshit.
It's all based on the tiny warming from CO2 creating a 'tipping point' where water vapor increases, which is a REAL greenhouse gas. This would raise the temp, then more water vapor...and so on. This is their apocalypse theory.
Except it's obviously false. The Earth's climate is a negative feedback system, that self balances. If water vapor could increase temp, leading to more water vapor, in an endless loop, the Earth would have fried itself a billion years ago.
It's OBVIOUSLY FALSE.
I'm down for admitting climate change exists.
But yeah, the CO2 theory is bunk. More CO2 produces a greener earth. That's the balance to it. Better fed plants = bigger and more numerous = more overall consumption.
I have my own reservations about our impact to the environment - but it isn't in carbon emissions. It's in chemical and sewage dumping into our oceans, its in sending waste material to 3rd world countries where we can't control the end destination instead of processing or containing our own waste. It's in globalists blaming first world countries with excessive controls in ways that 3rd world countries are required zero control.
Definitely agree
I fucking hate that phrase because it is absolute nonsense.
Me too! Or this one "for the safety of others ......?". Like we otherwise wake up everyday trying to kill people.
Atheists also LOVE this phrase. 🤮
I could tell you how to falsify about every hypothesis I've heard of, down to the groundwork fundamentals. If energy in an equation somehow didn't equal mass times the speed of light squared, for instance. Pretty clear and straight forward, right?
How would one disprove the current idea of anthropogenic global warming?
Hell--every time I bring it up, suddenly everyone wants to talk about anthropogenic localized climate change, which was never the theory in the first place. (Draining the lake causing a decrease in lake effect snow isn't a globalized effect. Building a city so large it acts as a mountain range and causes a rain shadow effect on its leeward side isn't a globalized effect. Having bad farming techniques that lead to a drought that leads to a dust bowl isn't a globalized effect.) I've never met anyone who even questions these ideas. Also, all easily falsifiable: if you still have lake effect snow after draining the lake, for instance.
No warming for a few years? NOT ENOUGH: now we'll just call it climate change. More ice in the Antarctic? NOT ENOUGH: we'll just ignore that and focus on the Arctic. Increase in tree cover in North America over the past 100 years? NOPE: we'll just ignore that and talk about the Amazon being set on fire by farmers and pretend it's the weather. Beachfront property values still rising, indicating that not only do the rich elite who pimp this idea believe it the least but the math behind the investments still holds up on the financial side? OH GOD DON'T NOTICE THAT ONE: no really, this one they won't touch with a 10 foot pole, so I don't even know their reaction as it's gotten me booted from a lot of websites.
This isn't a scientific theory: this is theology. If there is literally no evidence I could ever collect to show you that you are wrong, it's your religion.
If you choose to believe just because of a "worst case scenario" situation, understand that's the exact same as a Christian who believes because on the off chance they are wrong they just lived their lives well but if they're right they aren't stuck in hell (and yes I've heard the religious make this argument too).
I don't begrudge people their faith. Just understand: it's your faith, not mine. And maybe reconsider trying to push our government towards a religion which we have no cultural or historic ties to. Especially one invented by Communists. ("Better Red than Dead." That's where this one started, just FYI.)
Nicely put
I agree with all that. I don't expect him to say so publically, given that he runs Tesla.
But since he now obviously sees how the game is played, I doubt he is privately as fervent about climate change itself as he once was.
Real or not doesn't matter, he has a massive financial stake in people believing it's real.
Now if only we had more common sense people in government.
It's not a lack of common sense... they're actively weaponizing it for their own agenda...
"Science" basically turned into a religion for the left, where you're not allowed to question Science or scientists, even though by it's very definition Science needs to be questioned to find the truth. It literally feels like we're living in upside-down world.
I had COVID. I’m in my 30s. I tell people it’s a shitty week, but you’ll sleep 16 hours a day, so whatever.
It’s hilarious now. I watch people near sobbing at work wiping things down while I just trudge through my day totally oblivious. It’s like I’m stone, they’re paper and the building is on fire. What a bunch of homos.
The mental toll Covid has taking on liberals is more severe than Covid itself.
Musk was also called a conspiracy theorist in May this year for saying the numbers are artificially inflated.
MSM = Goebbels 101
I think this guy is getting red pilled
It is anti-science to quarantine the healthy. As soon as they did that I knew the flaming socialist control freaks held sway.
I give it 5 to 10 years before he goes full bond villian
"Faith in humanity"
There's your problem.
I have lost just about all faith in humanity at this point.
?????What happens to all of those batteries? Does not seem green to me.
Hey Elon, shut the fuck up. It's not humanity that caused this, it's globalist commie Marxist fascists you piece of shit.