I think it should go the other way. Arrest parents for child abuse if they don’t stick around to raise their child. Stop sticking your dick in crazy. Also ban abortion so that women stop opening their legs for guys that won’t be good parents.
The problem isn't money, it's presence. Father needs to be a constant presence in the child's life. It's too often that you have mothers who prevent the father from even being involved and then other times where the father is a deadbeat. Both need to be fixed.
Hard to fucking tell what's crazy and what's not. Maybe the cunt is good at acting. What then?
Just look at the shit that's going on in the real world, it's unreal, but true!
I just split from my kids mother. Luckily she's not the super-crazy type but she is the "I don't need a guy to raise kids but I'll take his money" type. She put on a good act like she was caring and wanted a family...until she had our kid. Then wanted nothing to do with me anymore. Just wanted half the bills. I lived out of a bedroom for way too long. No more of that bullshit. Next one is going to be a keeper.
It's very simple. NO WELFARE. Bailing out single mothers will create more single mothers. And abortions are of course not paid by other people as well. Hedonism will be punished either way.
Things will resolve themselves very quickly, and the abortion debate will effectively become irrelevant. Because stupid people fucking around won't be able to afford it.
What does that have to do with abortions? If a woman is trying to trap a man into financial responsibility killing the meal ticket is the last thing she wants to do.
A golden ticket is a golden ticket. We would be fighting an uphill battle unless we could convince the vast majority of women to also support these legal chances. Which, I mean, let's be honest.. Prior YouTube link. At this point, I say we go around. All things considered, we don't necessarily neeeeeed to fix the laws, if we could go around them :)
Agreed, look into Caleb Jones when you get a bit. He's my kind of autist and dude revolutionized my dating life a few years ago.
I'd call him a sex positive MGTOW and dude has systems that even allow pairbonding and marraige without losing your power. I don't go that deep in but it's let me have a fantastic sex life while keeping the female toxicity to an absolute minimum. Very powerful lifestyle advice
How has no one heard of this project? Artificial wombs are already in medical prototyping and, more than likely, will make the person to perfect their commercial viability an overnight billionaire. I believe I also heard a while back we can reverse engineer sex cells from skin cells, which just opens more doors and possibility. Reproduction will not be an issue with technology.
There are only two sides that matter: those that want to replace whites in our own homelands, and those that oppose it. You can be neither, but mgtow is very firmly in the former.
i think people need to stop saying mens/women's rights. there right and there universal. the left he turned right into " the government needs to give it to me.
imagine the nra campaigning for free guns for citizens. the left changed the way everyone speaks through indoctrination. let's talk the way our fire father spoke instead.
but" men's rights" is what's coming, feminists don't have any idea what equality actually means
Also, I'm sick of the "you're taking the choice away from the woman!1!! My body autonomy!"
No, no we're not. She made the choice already when she chose to sleep with a man she wasn't ready to have a baby with. She made the choice not to use birth control and other protection in most cases too.
The fact of the matter is if you had sex, you already made the choice and now you must deal with the consequences. Not allowing you to kill a baby to not have to deal with the consequences of your actions is not taking the choice away from the woman.
Women hold the child hostage once it's inside them. They keep it if it suits them. They kill it if it suits them. Even after they are born many children become unwitting pawns in their mother's games.
Feminism was always led by maladjusted females who then forced their personality defects on others instead of solving their own problems. It is a pity society didn't just call BS on it.
Our society is full of perverse incentives, set up by idiotic/malicious government actors. Guy pays for an abortion; a few hundred bucks and he's free-and-clear. Guy doesn't pay for abortion; child support for 18 years.
Oh yeah, and giving hospitals tens of thousands of dollars for each "COVID """""death""""""
I like Chapelles view.
"..and ladies if you decide to have the baby, then a man shouldn't have to pay.
My money, my choice. Because if you can murder this mother fucker, the least I can do is abandon his ass. And if I'm wrong, perhaps we're wrong."
No one will fund them. No government agency will ever allow it to go through. Male liberation means liberation from paying for kids that aren't theirs. You think the Government will be okay with picking up the tab instead? Fuck no. Pay up, and make paternity tests illegal while you're at it - as is already the case in France.
The double-standard is infuriating. Woman doesn't want to keep the baby but the man does? Tough luck; muh body muh choice and the baby is aborted. Woman wants to keep the baby but the man doesn't? Tough luck. The man is forced into 18 years of indentured servitude to support the woman and child.
The money doesn't magically appear in one's wallet. It gets there through one's labor. If one is forced to give the fruits of one's labor to another, how is that not slavery?
Ok. My story is that I had a kid with a husband who turned into a big alcoholic and eventually a drug addict. We separated when my son was six or seven. My husband did not support us in any way. Could not afford to divorce him. We were separated for years. I worked and supported us both and by the time I could have divorced him, he had cancer and even though he lived in another state, it didn't feel right. He passed when our son was 15, he's 33 now. I hate how it turned out. But please, do not marginalize all women as being horrible greedy mothers. That is not fair. Yes, many women are, but many men are just as irresponsible. Just watch Paternity Court and you'll see.
Feminism is not out there for men. That is why there needs to be groups that help men's rights.
If men are not the biological father and don't want to be the father they shouldn't be forced to pay for the child. Even if they sign the birth document and later find out the mother lied to them.
Only the white father's. Brown and black baby factories get to charge the American taxpayer the bill for the entire life of the child and in to criminal adulthood even.
As a man I'm not against the idea of child support. If a guy is dumb enough to stick it in a woman before marriage, knowing full well it can result in a pregnancy, he should be equally responsible for raising the kid, at a minimum financially. He is the father, after all.
I think where the issue lies is that the woman is in full control about what happens to the pregnancy, i.e. if it results in birth or abortion. The male should have a say. If they can't agree on the decision, it should go to court for a judge to decide based on things like the potential parents' income and the ability to love and care for a child. The problem with this though, is that courts work slow, and time is of the essence in a decision like this. You would need a whole new court and set of judges just handling this.
Why? Because the left selectively decides which parts of manhood are important. Breadwinner? Yup, no feminists are marrying broke dudes. Respect for working dangerous jobs and defending the nation in all wars since the beginning of time? Nope, they will spit on you when you come back and call you a toxic baby killer.
Here's the deal (this is what I tell and have told my kids): don't have sex unless you can picture yourself having a child; don't have sex with anyone you can't picture yourself married to and having children with; if you "yep, I can picture it" on both counts (after long and careful consideration!), then ok, but if you do get preggers do the right thing, get married, and have that family. Ideally, you wait until after your married to somebody you can see yourself with for the rest of your life, but sometimes things aren't ideal; just do the right thing and don't be selfish, especially with your kid.
If you are paying attention to legal decisions, the legal parent will become by choice. I’m specifically looking at gay marriage. They can only both be parents through choice, and you can’t discriminate because of sex.
A smart attorney will convince a judge that a one night stand does not constitute a lifetime of payments.
PS: I support Gay Marriage. I just want legislatures to accept there is a difference.
Always that sex takes two. A baby doesn’t just belong to the mother. Men’s rights need to be revisited
I think it should go the other way. Arrest parents for child abuse if they don’t stick around to raise their child. Stop sticking your dick in crazy. Also ban abortion so that women stop opening their legs for guys that won’t be good parents.
The problem isn't money, it's presence. Father needs to be a constant presence in the child's life. It's too often that you have mothers who prevent the father from even being involved and then other times where the father is a deadbeat. Both need to be fixed.
Hard to fucking tell what's crazy and what's not. Maybe the cunt is good at acting. What then? Just look at the shit that's going on in the real world, it's unreal, but true!
I just split from my kids mother. Luckily she's not the super-crazy type but she is the "I don't need a guy to raise kids but I'll take his money" type. She put on a good act like she was caring and wanted a family...until she had our kid. Then wanted nothing to do with me anymore. Just wanted half the bills. I lived out of a bedroom for way too long. No more of that bullshit. Next one is going to be a keeper.
It's very simple. NO WELFARE. Bailing out single mothers will create more single mothers. And abortions are of course not paid by other people as well. Hedonism will be punished either way.
Things will resolve themselves very quickly, and the abortion debate will effectively become irrelevant. Because stupid people fucking around won't be able to afford it.
Watch how fast women keep their legs closed if you cut off all the public benefits that are thrown at them for popping out another kid out of wedlock.
Honestly no public benefits after 2 kids. And no voting if you aren't a net tax contributor.
As Milton Friedman put it: "Other people spending other people's money on other people."
Yea..
What does that have to do with abortions? If a woman is trying to trap a man into financial responsibility killing the meal ticket is the last thing she wants to do.
Right, but https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIWHvPP0U64
A golden ticket is a golden ticket. We would be fighting an uphill battle unless we could convince the vast majority of women to also support these legal chances. Which, I mean, let's be honest.. Prior YouTube link. At this point, I say we go around. All things considered, we don't necessarily neeeeeed to fix the laws, if we could go around them :)
^ This guy gets it. ^
you could import your wife from a less libtard corrupted country
i am fully aware of such stories, but it's worth a try right? you take your best chances
sure but his wife isn't imported and he went and cheated on her
Agreed, look into Caleb Jones when you get a bit. He's my kind of autist and dude revolutionized my dating life a few years ago.
I'd call him a sex positive MGTOW and dude has systems that even allow pairbonding and marraige without losing your power. I don't go that deep in but it's let me have a fantastic sex life while keeping the female toxicity to an absolute minimum. Very powerful lifestyle advice
Yes, white man, stay away from women and make absolutely sure you never procreate, white babies are terrible and you should never make them.
You anti-natalist vermin are gonna be right there against the wall with the commies.
If you look carefully, and I know this is asking a lot of subhuman subversives, the faggot up above said all women are poison.
God damn it, guys.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bP64x6ivkI&t=1s
How has no one heard of this project? Artificial wombs are already in medical prototyping and, more than likely, will make the person to perfect their commercial viability an overnight billionaire. I believe I also heard a while back we can reverse engineer sex cells from skin cells, which just opens more doors and possibility. Reproduction will not be an issue with technology.
There are only two sides that matter: those that want to replace whites in our own homelands, and those that oppose it. You can be neither, but mgtow is very firmly in the former.
mgtow is anti-natalist drivel meant to contribute to white genocide, I will not fuck off
i think people need to stop saying mens/women's rights. there right and there universal. the left he turned right into " the government needs to give it to me. imagine the nra campaigning for free guns for citizens. the left changed the way everyone speaks through indoctrination. let's talk the way our fire father spoke instead.
but" men's rights" is what's coming, feminists don't have any idea what equality actually means
Maybe this is the executive order our president needs to pass!!!!!!
Also, I'm sick of the "you're taking the choice away from the woman!1!! My body autonomy!"
No, no we're not. She made the choice already when she chose to sleep with a man she wasn't ready to have a baby with. She made the choice not to use birth control and other protection in most cases too.
The fact of the matter is if you had sex, you already made the choice and now you must deal with the consequences. Not allowing you to kill a baby to not have to deal with the consequences of your actions is not taking the choice away from the woman.
sure, i agree, but how will this be enforced or put into practice?
What if she was raped against her will? In that case I feel that a woman should be able to freely abort.
And what will this do to the rate of false rape accusations? Will it go down?
Women hold the child hostage once it's inside them. They keep it if it suits them. They kill it if it suits them. Even after they are born many children become unwitting pawns in their mother's games.
"If I decide to NOT murder your baby, you're paying for it."
That's our legal system.
...and then on to the next "bad boy baby daddy" she goes. Cha-ching!!
"It's none of your business, now give me all your money from your business to support the thing that is none of your business."
The entire point of 2nd and 3rd wave feminism is to make it so women don't have to 'pick one' on this topic or anything else.
Feminism was always led by maladjusted females who then forced their personality defects on others instead of solving their own problems. It is a pity society didn't just call BS on it.
Maladjusted females indoctrinated by Marxists.
Our society is full of perverse incentives, set up by idiotic/malicious government actors. Guy pays for an abortion; a few hundred bucks and he's free-and-clear. Guy doesn't pay for abortion; child support for 18 years.
Oh yeah, and giving hospitals tens of thousands of dollars for each "COVID """""death""""""
Women need an out for unwanted pregnancies via abortion because they can't be expected to remain abstinent but men need to pay to play.
Yep, men are legally required to consent to parenthood every time they have sex while women are free to literally kill their own children...
I like Chapelles view. "..and ladies if you decide to have the baby, then a man shouldn't have to pay. My money, my choice. Because if you can murder this mother fucker, the least I can do is abandon his ass. And if I'm wrong, perhaps we're wrong."
Wow - is Dave Chapelle cancelled yet from the MSN?
What happens when men get their own contraceptive pills? 🤔 Equality.
Why aren’t these out yet?
No one will fund them. No government agency will ever allow it to go through. Male liberation means liberation from paying for kids that aren't theirs. You think the Government will be okay with picking up the tab instead? Fuck no. Pay up, and make paternity tests illegal while you're at it - as is already the case in France.
Paternity tests are illegal in France? Christ, that place went to shit real quick.
It seems they are just more difficult to develop for the men. Who will invent it first will make billions instantly. Make it safe and world changes.
The double-standard is infuriating. Woman doesn't want to keep the baby but the man does? Tough luck; muh body muh choice and the baby is aborted. Woman wants to keep the baby but the man doesn't? Tough luck. The man is forced into 18 years of indentured servitude to support the woman and child.
I ain't saying she's a gold digger ...
My wallet -- my choice.
The money doesn't magically appear in one's wallet. It gets there through one's labor. If one is forced to give the fruits of one's labor to another, how is that not slavery?
At conception the baby has its own DNA separate from both the mother and father, and it’s own multiplying cells. Sounds like a human life to me.
Because vaginas, that's why. Der.
Ok. My story is that I had a kid with a husband who turned into a big alcoholic and eventually a drug addict. We separated when my son was six or seven. My husband did not support us in any way. Could not afford to divorce him. We were separated for years. I worked and supported us both and by the time I could have divorced him, he had cancer and even though he lived in another state, it didn't feel right. He passed when our son was 15, he's 33 now. I hate how it turned out. But please, do not marginalize all women as being horrible greedy mothers. That is not fair. Yes, many women are, but many men are just as irresponsible. Just watch Paternity Court and you'll see.
You were married and your husband failed you and your son.
You weren't a single mother who took advantage of the system.
Taxation without Representation
More black babies are killed in NY every year, than are born. So I guess they don't matter.
It's 50/50 financial responsibility on each part. That's how it should be since many women work these days.
Feminism is not out there for men. That is why there needs to be groups that help men's rights.
If men are not the biological father and don't want to be the father they shouldn't be forced to pay for the child. Even if they sign the birth document and later find out the mother lied to them.
Make abortion her choice and financial responsibility his choice. That’s the most liberty filled solution that I think is feasible.
Only the white father's. Brown and black baby factories get to charge the American taxpayer the bill for the entire life of the child and in to criminal adulthood even.
I laugh when pro-abortion people call themselves “pro-choice.”
As my Mom likes to say, “You already had a choice, and you decided to spread your legs.”
As a man I'm not against the idea of child support. If a guy is dumb enough to stick it in a woman before marriage, knowing full well it can result in a pregnancy, he should be equally responsible for raising the kid, at a minimum financially. He is the father, after all.
I think where the issue lies is that the woman is in full control about what happens to the pregnancy, i.e. if it results in birth or abortion. The male should have a say. If they can't agree on the decision, it should go to court for a judge to decide based on things like the potential parents' income and the ability to love and care for a child. The problem with this though, is that courts work slow, and time is of the essence in a decision like this. You would need a whole new court and set of judges just handling this.
Abortion is murder and many women do it with a smile. Never forget who you deal with when out trolling for ass. They are wolves in sheep's clothing.
Why? Because the left selectively decides which parts of manhood are important. Breadwinner? Yup, no feminists are marrying broke dudes. Respect for working dangerous jobs and defending the nation in all wars since the beginning of time? Nope, they will spit on you when you come back and call you a toxic baby killer.
Here's the deal (this is what I tell and have told my kids): don't have sex unless you can picture yourself having a child; don't have sex with anyone you can't picture yourself married to and having children with; if you "yep, I can picture it" on both counts (after long and careful consideration!), then ok, but if you do get preggers do the right thing, get married, and have that family. Ideally, you wait until after your married to somebody you can see yourself with for the rest of your life, but sometimes things aren't ideal; just do the right thing and don't be selfish, especially with your kid.
If you are paying attention to legal decisions, the legal parent will become by choice. I’m specifically looking at gay marriage. They can only both be parents through choice, and you can’t discriminate because of sex.
A smart attorney will convince a judge that a one night stand does not constitute a lifetime of payments.
PS: I support Gay Marriage. I just want legislatures to accept there is a difference.
Question: how can abortions be?
You know, Raisins.
good point
BOOM!!!!! Well said!!!! Thank you!
Yep always thought this! Or attacking a pregnant woman if the child dies its murder but not a problem if it is an abortion!
Who was behind third wave feminism and who benefits from abortions? Riddle me that!