Business just make times specific for elderly and people with p.e.conditions. Better than mixing us all together in a grocery store anyways. And businesses stay open.
You’d think people taking tax payer money could brainstorm some ideas. Fucking hell on the beach but off the water ... off the beach but water is fine fucktards
Perhaps the government could pay for delivery only for those on Social Security? Because those are the people most likely to need to quarantine, and also are often living on (fairly low) fixed incomes.
Could you summarize your libertarian beliefs in six sentences or so? I continue to be confused about how they differ from "Conservatism" (If they do) Thank you
My question is what will happen to all of the changes after the pandemic is "resolved," will the population expect take-out liquor sales and curb side pickup services to continue, or will local regulations clamp down again on liquor sales, parking, etc?
Instead of a $3 trillion stimulus, fund Social Security $500 Billion-$Trillion, expand to known affected comorbidities for a year, encourage elderly to wear masks in public and use home delivery services. Everyone else goes back to real life. Open the economy back up.
Every fucking country has it's own set of retarded rules like they rolled dice and said let's go with this.
Ex. In France they just passed a law that a restaurant/pub etc can serve food until midnight but can't serve alcohol after 10 pm. Like how the fuck does that make any sense what so ever and who is the retard who came up with that and how?
Booze make up 70% of their revenue and 70% their alcohol sales are after 10 pm. You could tell the civil servant cocksuckers from all over the world never held a real job and don't know what it is to run a business the way they're trying to kill them with their stupid bullshit.
I agree, but I wasn't pointing out the fact that they should be harmonized, I was mostly pointing out that everyone was pulling different protocols out of their butts with no specific explanation, reason or logic as of why they're doing it. In that specific example , I'm trying to figure out why you can eat until midnight but you can't drink after 10 in the same pub.
I'll have a steak and a beer, sorry sir you can have the steak but you'll have to have a soda with it. What the hell does that have to do with covid? And how does a civil servant come up with that and have his superiors agree with it to pass that law? It's mind-boggling.
In some countries, the argument was that alcohol ends up filling hospital emergency departments and wards, especially on Friday and Saturday nights. And they’re trying to keep hospitals empty for Covid patients.
That said, they should still fuck off with the stupid restrictions. If you’re getting wasted and clogging up the ER, you should get hit with a massive bill for it.
That makes sense but in a country like France where you can buy liquor anywhere, in a convenience store or a supermarket or at any small private winer or distiller along the road, if somebody wants to get wasted they'll get wasted regardless. Why punish established business' profits? It looks like they're going out of their way to impoverished the first world any way they can. I've never been a conspiracy theorist but I'm starting to believe this whole globalist plan.
"Medical masks were not effective, and cloth masks even less effective" Medical masks being N95, the only thing they found to work was respirators which you are not allowed to use per the mandate.
" study suggests that community mask use by well people could be beneficial"
COULD BE COULD BE, no science to back this up.
Meanwhile in the past there are dozens of studies done on healthcare workers trained and in a controlled study on surgical vs N95 masks.
"there was no significant difference in the incidence of laboratory-confirmed influenza"
Oh shit, they still got the flu...
Any health professional who claims the cloth masks work, just ask them one question. Would you wear that cloth mask in treating someone with TB? TB is a bacteria that is 1-4 microns and yes an N95 mask works since it filters .3 microns or larger, but a virus is far smaller than any bacteria and thus wont wont be filtered even with the N95 masks. .06 - .14 is the size of covid-19 for reference. But wait how does the respirator work it uses the same N95 filter? It doesn't get moist so it works by using electrostatic attraction which can help trap the virus.
I will bet you more people end up with staph infections including MRSA, and having more issues with this than they would with Covid.
It's liberal virtue signaling in mask form. At best it does nothing, at worst it makes people more sick (having a moist bacteria laden covering over your mouth and nose all day). And it's a way they can control your behavior so you know liberals will jump on that.
The senior hour was usually really early. Places eventually moved it to 9-10 am, but it was more like 7 am before. Sometimes the senior hour was more crowded than regular time since people were trying to get hoarded items placed on shelves before the store opened. I don't know anyone who used the senior hour, but curbside is still popular.
Oh come on. Get real. How many people have actually served time that have been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt they've done serious crimes. All we've gotten so far in 4 years are stern letters
Didn’t say I expect it to happen, but will continue to hope. In fact, I can’t think of a bigger red pill across all of government than everyone’s St Fauci being exposed as an unequivocal agent of evil via emails, conversations, wire transfers.
Fauci pushed out Dr Alex Azar at one of the first briefings. We should look for the video. Azar was a bit humiliated (even the press asked him if he was alright) and Fauci took control from that point.
Dr redfield and another guy was there, azar was humiliated, red faced, the press asked him about the move, he said something like if it was OK but it was definitely not and he left the briefing. Dr Fauci took over the briefings after that.
Sorry, but proudly and publicly proclaiming that you hope the president dies doesn't get you in the "otherwise decent" club. It means you're a shitbird.
Yeah, but he's so entrenched in the DC political system that pushing him out in any public manner would have resulted in 24/7 fake news about how Trump is anti-science, etc. POTUS has to pick his battles, and I'm happy that Fauci has been generally pushed aside without any big public blowout or rift.
How did it do Wonders? The only thing it did wonders for was pave the way for the current shitshow. We have masks and a fucked economy because of the snowball started by the initial lockdowns. Governors did that shit based on nothing but Chinese propaganda
Every metric showed this to be completely wrong. The moment we shut down everything accelerated out of control and destroyed the very system we needed to depend on. I never want to see a world where half the stuff in the store goes missing for weeks and weeks and weeks.
The quarantine did nothing. All it did was funnel everyone in a few locations, quite possibly the stupidest thing you can do in a pandemic. Grocery and big box retail stores were never closed, remember?
New Zealand is worse. They got one new fucking case and locked down the entire country again. Swedish model is the way to go: keep the country open, let everyone get sick, life goes on.
Sweden's coronavirus is over. They kept the country open the entire time, simply limited large venues to like 50 people max, and told everyone to do some intelligent distancing to avoid spreading so much. Beyond that, every business and everything stayed open. Lots of people got infected, didn't even have symptoms, and developed immunity, and their immunity prevented further spread. Voila. The virus fizzled out. Exactly as Elon said we should have done too.
That would only make sense if the goal was minimizing the impact of the virus, rather than What it actually was: crashing the economy, further dividing the country via physical symbolism (the mask), and inducing massive fear and mental illness.
Business just make times specific for elderly and people with p.e.conditions. Better than mixing us all together in a grocery store anyways. And businesses stay open.
You would think that parties capable of such a James Bond style plot would actually have it together and wouldn't running around like crazy and putting useless candidates in office.
I mean, if they're that powerful, why not just use their orbital teleporter to beam strontium directly into Trump's bloodstream? Or mind control rays to subvert the populace? Or replace all top level military personnel with clones?
Why settle for a weak disease that is unlikely to have the desired final result, and almost didn't have the desired initial result, either?
I'm just not sure that this is as well oiled a machine as you might think.
Alex Jones explained all that, it was just a trial run to see what they could get away with. And they love seeing the peasants wearing face diapers, feeling powerful, etc.
Yeah, seems pretty clear that this is just round one. You seen the Bill and Melinda interview where they giggle about the next one and how bad it is going to be? I'm afraid that, if they release something that is actually truly dangerous, we're fucked. The sheep in this country will do whatever the authorities say will make them safer. It'll make this lockdown seem like light restrictions in comparison.
Yep, then comes the forced injections that will make the majority of Americans dumber, lower energy, sterile, etc. That's how close they are to having total control. I hope that god is real and can help the sheep before it's too late.
I don’t think they designed it or released it on purpose.
But the virus is almost certainly one that they were studying in the lab. It likely infected a lab worker, who then gave it to others. This lab escape phenomenon has happened many times in the past. China realized what had happened, and made sure to share it with the rest of us.
A virus doesn’t have to be deadly to be effective. This one wiped 20% off the GDP of Europe, more than 10% off the US. That’s pretty effective from China’s POV. It has weakened and distracted us. In the meantime, China has tightened the grip on Hong Kong, started imprisoning 500,000+ Tibetans, and increased aggression against Taiwan. All while we are fussing on with problems at home.
In fact, deadly viruses tend to burn themselves out. If they kill the host, they tend not to spread well. And if you have severe symptoms, you tend not to infect others (because you stay home, hospital etc). Covid, with asymptomatic spreaders and mild symptoms is pretty optimal IMO.
China is using it now to internally purge rivals in the CCP and any regions that threaten the interests of Xi-aligned party members.
I am starting to think we need a "virus" hoax of our own to kill the people pushing this authoritarian bullshit. Either that or a placebo "cure" that we can push as our own big lie.
You know, I actually find myself thinking that is the way to do it. Then again, political murder machines quickly turn into a business unto themselves and the murderers don't stop looking at others lives like a cash register once the "authorized" murders are all taken care of. It is very much a slippery slope.
My best moral and practical take on it is that there are other means that are being blocked from dominating our imaginations because we are emotionally in a "war" mindset and unable to see another way to the same goal without so much rending of limbs.
That's how a MAN thinks, unfortunately women have been given unearned positions of leadership for the last 20 years and now we've got a bunch of people with the mindset, well if I'm scared, and do something, EVERYBODY must do that same thing! It's why you see women get so triggered by people NOT wearing masks, because they think if THEY do something, then EVERYBODY must be just as miserable as they are.
That's how a MAN thinks, unfortunately women have been given unearned positions of leadership for the last 20 years and now we've got a bunch of people with the mindset, well if I'm scared, and do something, EVERYBODY must do that same thing! It's why you see women get so triggered by people NOT wearing masks, because they think if THEY do something, then EVERYBODY must be just as miserable as they are.
Exactly fucking this. The entire Covid response has been nothing but an outplay of inherent of COWARDICE from a feminine, soft and fearful populace.
Face a hardship. Fucking take a hit and keep moving. This is what the generetations of yesteryear would have done and the fact that anyone, anywhere considers "locking down" our economy and societies is a good fucking idea, is a pure indicator of selfish FEAR and nothing else.
Oh boo hoo, you're gonna die. At <0.4% rate. If you get it. And you're infirm. Oh well I guess we better fuck the entire whole into economic decay and destruction then! Reeeeeee.
*Brought to you by Mothers Against Drunk Driving, the Intemperance League, women voters everywhere, and soi cucks the planet over. Have a good night.
Back in Feb-March we were looking at a virus which was killing 1-5%. That’s pretty significant.
We could have been facing totally overwhelmed hospitals, totally collapsing everything. Food shortages. Riots. Total meltdown.
I agree we totally over reacted, and we should have reversed course ages ago. Continuation of lockdowns in October is fucking retarded. But it’s totally understandable why we reacted so strongly 6 months ago. It’s not a feminine or pussy response.
The only thing we don’t know right now is any long term effects. Maybe heart and lung damage. Maybe other consequences (think about Varicella virus which causes shingles and hides out in the body for decades). So I totally agree with Musk - give people the freedom to choose, based on their own risk tolerance. If you want to shelter at home and you are able to do it, no problem. But we shouldn’t be stopping people getting back to work, meeting friends etc.
Still no. We can recommend that they self isolate and help them with services to make that easier but it is still the individuals decision to make. No quarantine without proof of illness.
I'm actually pretty sure I got it, but I couldn't get tested because my state does contact tracing. Which meant that my parents, who are impoverished and only had one child, would have been locked in their homes without assistance for 2 weeks because I had briefly visited them a week before I even got it. (It was so serious I died, btw. Press F.)
... Talk about a self-defeating policy: I'm an actual germaphobe, and they lost my assistance after the first two weeks. HOW DO YOU LOSE THE GERMAPHOBE?! Idiots!
Part of me hopes health authorities learn something from this whole stupid adventure just in case there is a real pandemic, but part of me thinks they are in fact the biggest totalitarian asshats in this country and that I'm quite glad that they'll probably never figure out what they did wrong.
No argument here. Frankly, as I said, I'm a germaphobe, so I'm the one group in the country that really did have any trust in those dicks at some point, and they've lost even me. That says a lot about how bad it's become.
That's the really hilarious part to me: I've been really careful around my parents this whole time, because they both are immunocomprimised and elderly, and I basically inherited my germophobia from my mom. This is one of the things I fear for the youth right now: this is a really easy irrational fear to impress on a child.
So they would have been locked down because I stood in their driveway for a few minutes.
I still won't wear a mask around them though. Until they let surgeons operate wearing those masks with a flu, it seems to me that they're just spit guards that are mainly to prevent particulates from falling into a patient and have no place in the general public.
(Social distancing is all that works for viruses. We used to know this. That's why I've always kept my distance from strangers: this isn't even new information. The masks literally have no justification whatsoever scientifically, according to every study done for the past 100 years.)
Correct. We can offer them alternatives like “Hey, there is an elderly hour where the store is 50% capacity. You’re free to use it if you like.” But we can’t force them to use it.
Also of note: enough with the “you have a fever so you have COVID. You’re not welcome here.” Fever can mean tons of things. It isn’t exclusive to COVID. A thermometer isn’t a test.
Its sucks to say it, but we need people like this to say something so fucking obvious. We can tell our friends and family all we want, but as soon as the dude who made his money creating paypall says it, its got credibility.
Its dumb, but its the truth. Good for Elon being a voice of reason during all of this
He isn't wrong. Unfortunately, every toddler, elementary school child, middle schooler, high schooler, and college kid has now been educated in compliance to the new flavor of insane, counter-productive, anti-American government orders.
Post 9-11 we did the same thing.
This shit is sticking around for a looooooong time. We need to fight HARD to eliminate stupidity like these lockdowns and shoe removal at airports.
New York City has about 30% immunity - and the Mayor/Gov are still locking things down for the “second wave.”
First of all, 30% immunity is very good - it means 1 in 3 people the virus encounters cannot spread it. Every third person stops the virus cold.
Secondly, it isn’t proper to call it a “second wave.” It’s a new season. The season was first reported/monitored in February and it effectively ended in June. Any resurgence would be a new season, likely to start in November and end in April/May.
We have flu seasons every year. This years flu isn’t a “second wave” of last year’s flu.
These fucks got to enjoy they’re lives without masks, social distancing, closures, etc and now that they’re old they want to live forever and make the rest of us younger people live in a dystopia. They can fuck off.
I love netflixtard! So true these morons that can’t stop talking about the latest show they’re binging. Fucking losers.
And same shit with me and nature - literally had a ranger try to chase me running out of his pickup because I was mountain biking alone in Steamboat. They’re policy was legit “the mountain is closed). I’m like the fuck it is.
I have wondered if it would be worthwhile to have "COVID parties" akin to measles parties form our past, to allow young people to get it, get the sniffles, and move on - to save Grandma
Grandma should remain protected in her home
We are just prolonging reaching herd immunity now, and to pin hopes on a vaccine is pie in the sky. We are still waiting for the SARS1 vaccine....
create easy to follow protocols (distancing/hand washing) and try to lessen the impact of the wave.
Shut everything down and try to stop everyone from getting sick.
The first theory is the only practical one. It accepts the fact that when a virus is in your area, it will hit you. You may be able to increase hygiene and lessen its reach.
The second theory is bonkers. You’re never going to stop everyone from getting sick.
Yup! And the longer no one is immune to it, the more opportunities those at risk face at getting the virus. All the lockdown does is increase the risk for everyone. Total BS!
The funny part is we did sort of have that in the news a while back and it got trashed on as "irresponsible." The college "covid parties" where students would pay a door charge, go in to the party
and hang with one person who had it, and the first person to test positive from the party won all the door money.
The only problem is this nebulous thought as to permanent damage to the lungs/other organs. Is it overblown? Probably. I suspect it is alarmism. Could the standard flu also cause long lasting damage? Perhaps in exceedingly rare cases, and likely mixed up with a pre-existing issue, flu or COVID19 can cause "permanent changes" (likely newly recognized old issue, but the individual is certain it came from the virus...)
Honestly, nobody goes through life unscathed. All illnesses have some risk or other and some have risk of more severe lasting effects. The people ranting about how suddenly they're worried about THIS illness and lasting effects are just the new germophobes created by government control. If they're that afraid, let them stay home and get phased out of society. Other people know life comes with risks and we keep going. Personal choice still applies here. If people want to take the "risk" of getting some lung scarring (or discovering they had it all along, but misatributing it to covid like you said), then they should be able to.
Not gonna lie, there was about one week where I was nervous of eating fast food thru the drive through. I would be watching the employees hands take my card, push buttons on the register, and fondle my food and drink.
I was waiting for the homeless to start dying in droves. When that never happened I started doubting. Then came HQC censorship, nursing home deaths, inflated numbers, rioting/looting, and all the rest. At that point I realized we have all been had.
Hoax doesn't even begin to describe it. Whole thing is a one massive psyop.
Out of over 300 residents in a local nursing home where a family member of mine is, more than half have contracted COVID and no one and has died. First case of COVID in the nursing home was over 60 days ago.
Elon musk is a grifter trying to keep his scam fraud company alive. He's an opportunist with no principles. He's not moving his factory to Texas. He's moving it to China where the majority of his cars will be made. The US factory's are gimmicks made for headlines and tax incentives.
It's STILL the right thing to do. At this stage we know enough to let people make the choice - if they are afraid or particularly at risk of the virus, then they can voluntarily quarentine and wear masks. Everyone else, get back to work !
This whole lockdown thing was unconstitutional and against amendment 14th. Government had no right to deprive people of their livelihoods without due process. We never shut down the economy for any other epidemic. Trump was tricked by false models and predictions. Remember back in Sept when he said he had to lay low for a while because he made a bunch of big important people mad when he lowered the drug prices? And now, they somehow found a way to infect him and a bunch of other Republicans too, but no Democrats. Looks fishy.
The UN and WEF are now pushing ideas of a "great reset" and to "build back better" (also Joe's campaign slogan) to promote socialism and green new deals across the globe. You have to wonder if these lockdowns were designed to facilitate those changes.
100% correct. We're all adults and we all know the risks. Those who are scared of Covid can stay home forever, those that are not scared should be allowed to go about their daily lives. Lock downs and forcefully shutting down businesses should never be allowed again
Makes perfect sense. That way we function relatively normal much like Iceland. Anyone 70+ would wear a mask, use ample amounts of sanitizer, Isopropyl Alcohol, get sun, fresh air(while distancing), stay clean while the REST OF US live our lives! If we get it, we get it, no big deal! Good Lord
You can literally get ANYTHING including fucking groceries delivered nowadays yet we shut down the entire country over a bullshit Flu that doesn't do shit to young folk.
H1N1's death toll aged UNDER 65 was like 60 something percent yet everything was up and running.
Pretty cool how just stating the obvious these days gets you quoted like you're Voltaire or something. Everybody knows what should've been done. Lack of knowledge was never the problem here.
I've been arguing this to libtards since week one of the lockdown.
“YoU’rEeEeEe gOiNg To kIlL gRaNdMa!!!!”
Business just make times specific for elderly and people with p.e.conditions. Better than mixing us all together in a grocery store anyways. And businesses stay open.
You’d think people taking tax payer money could brainstorm some ideas. Fucking hell on the beach but off the water ... off the beach but water is fine fucktards
Heck just provide home delivery. Gov can pay for. Save money over the economic shutdown and make new jobs.
I think he meant the government would cover delivery for high risk people. Mostly seniors. Not lazy school teachers who want a 6 month paid vacation.
For example, paying shit tons of federal tax money for every hospital that has a death certificate say "Covid"
Amazing how many overdoses and car accidents were caused by the Coof!
Perhaps the government could pay for delivery only for those on Social Security? Because those are the people most likely to need to quarantine, and also are often living on (fairly low) fixed incomes.
How about fuck the government, they need to stay out of it.
Found the libertarian. I used to be with you, bro, but we're WAY past that now. We have to BECOME the government at this point.
Pedes getting into politics? Yes. Expanding government reach? No.
Could you summarize your libertarian beliefs in six sentences or so? I continue to be confused about how they differ from "Conservatism" (If they do) Thank you
Just two or three weeks, and herd immunity is done, you know. I am tired of this "care for elderly" argument.
I think that is the thing, isolate the vulnerable, let it spread for herd immunity and get back to normal in a few weeks.
My question is what will happen to all of the changes after the pandemic is "resolved," will the population expect take-out liquor sales and curb side pickup services to continue, or will local regulations clamp down again on liquor sales, parking, etc?
Any regulation that could be safely done away with for the sake of this virus can be safely done away with permanently.
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Instead of a $3 trillion stimulus, fund Social Security $500 Billion-$Trillion, expand to known affected comorbidities for a year, encourage elderly to wear masks in public and use home delivery services. Everyone else goes back to real life. Open the economy back up.
We knew this disease almost exclusively affected the elderly and comorbidities in the worst way back in March.
Recent numbers from the CDC agree. (6% of deaths from covid-ONLY, average age 85, avg comorbidites 2.6)
Also
Common...fucking...cold...in..a...weak...flu... season.
The media control of the masses still astounds me. They will believe literally anything they see on TV. Alien overlords, I am now ready.
Every fucking country has it's own set of retarded rules like they rolled dice and said let's go with this.
Ex. In France they just passed a law that a restaurant/pub etc can serve food until midnight but can't serve alcohol after 10 pm. Like how the fuck does that make any sense what so ever and who is the retard who came up with that and how?
Booze make up 70% of their revenue and 70% their alcohol sales are after 10 pm. You could tell the civil servant cocksuckers from all over the world never held a real job and don't know what it is to run a business the way they're trying to kill them with their stupid bullshit.
Ban the political class, those parasites are destroying the West!
Nah, just take their job.
The point was to bankrupt the businesses, same with movie theaters. BLM protests were not banned though
I consider different sets of rules a feature not a bug.
Global rules === GlobalismI agree, but I wasn't pointing out the fact that they should be harmonized, I was mostly pointing out that everyone was pulling different protocols out of their butts with no specific explanation, reason or logic as of why they're doing it. In that specific example , I'm trying to figure out why you can eat until midnight but you can't drink after 10 in the same pub.
I'll have a steak and a beer, sorry sir you can have the steak but you'll have to have a soda with it. What the hell does that have to do with covid? And how does a civil servant come up with that and have his superiors agree with it to pass that law? It's mind-boggling.
In some countries, the argument was that alcohol ends up filling hospital emergency departments and wards, especially on Friday and Saturday nights. And they’re trying to keep hospitals empty for Covid patients.
That said, they should still fuck off with the stupid restrictions. If you’re getting wasted and clogging up the ER, you should get hit with a massive bill for it.
That makes sense but in a country like France where you can buy liquor anywhere, in a convenience store or a supermarket or at any small private winer or distiller along the road, if somebody wants to get wasted they'll get wasted regardless. Why punish established business' profits? It looks like they're going out of their way to impoverished the first world any way they can. I've never been a conspiracy theorist but I'm starting to believe this whole globalist plan.
They were doing this in az at our local grocers but stopped randomly.
Guess older people didn’t give a shit and came in during the day instead of at the assigned time
my 75 yr old father-in-law is yet to wear a mask. No one dares question a guy strolling in with his Vietnam vet hat :)
When that dummy gets sick & dies we all suffer for it!
Go read the Maricopa county mask mandate... Most people have not.
Look at the study they cite, one single study.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7191274/
"Medical masks were not effective, and cloth masks even less effective" Medical masks being N95, the only thing they found to work was respirators which you are not allowed to use per the mandate.
" study suggests that community mask use by well people could be beneficial"
COULD BE COULD BE, no science to back this up.
Meanwhile in the past there are dozens of studies done on healthcare workers trained and in a controlled study on surgical vs N95 masks.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2749214
"there was no significant difference in the incidence of laboratory-confirmed influenza"
Oh shit, they still got the flu...
Any health professional who claims the cloth masks work, just ask them one question. Would you wear that cloth mask in treating someone with TB? TB is a bacteria that is 1-4 microns and yes an N95 mask works since it filters .3 microns or larger, but a virus is far smaller than any bacteria and thus wont wont be filtered even with the N95 masks. .06 - .14 is the size of covid-19 for reference. But wait how does the respirator work it uses the same N95 filter? It doesn't get moist so it works by using electrostatic attraction which can help trap the virus.
I will bet you more people end up with staph infections including MRSA, and having more issues with this than they would with Covid.
The amount of my fellow Healthcare professionals pushing masks is sickening
It's liberal virtue signaling in mask form. At best it does nothing, at worst it makes people more sick (having a moist bacteria laden covering over your mouth and nose all day). And it's a way they can control your behavior so you know liberals will jump on that.
The thing about control is so true.
They love FORCING you to do something. Restricting where you go and who you go with. Forcing uniforms. This has been a wet dream for them.
The senior hour was usually really early. Places eventually moved it to 9-10 am, but it was more like 7 am before. Sometimes the senior hour was more crowded than regular time since people were trying to get hoarded items placed on shelves before the store opened. I don't know anyone who used the senior hour, but curbside is still popular.
Mine too. Turned my hungry ass away.
...says the Democrat, as they pull infected patients out of hospitals and force them into nursing home.
Grandma's already dead.
We have gone from bubble boy to bubble grandma.
No now were all forced to be in a bubble because the disease is so deadly it's possible you might not even know you have it...
My grandma is 92 and even she does not want the lockdown.
a lot of us have been saying this since january.
Trump should have never listened to Fauci
Fauxi is a snake that will say one day that masks are pointless, and another that they are protective without batting an eye.
Probably lied his ass off.
And then go throw a baseball and laugh and bask in his newfound fame while businesses died and left people financially ruined. Great guy.
That still pisses me off...
He is a researcher/scientist...His job and career should have been first and he should have declined any media or popularity advances
Really hoping Fitton and crew expose him as a Chinese asset so he can spend the rest of his miserable life in prison.
Oh come on. Get real. How many people have actually served time that have been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt they've done serious crimes. All we've gotten so far in 4 years are stern letters
Didn’t say I expect it to happen, but will continue to hope. In fact, I can’t think of a bigger red pill across all of government than everyone’s St Fauci being exposed as an unequivocal agent of evil via emails, conversations, wire transfers.
Are we just being mischievous? Haha
Fauci pushed out Dr Alex Azar at one of the first briefings. We should look for the video. Azar was a bit humiliated (even the press asked him if he was alright) and Fauci took control from that point.
Wait what
I don't remember this at all. What happened?
Dr redfield and another guy was there, azar was humiliated, red faced, the press asked him about the move, he said something like if it was OK but it was definitely not and he left the briefing. Dr Fauci took over the briefings after that.
i agree...its just that people, who are otherwise decent but have TDS, only focus on the 10%
i have a few of those in my life. they prob wont vote so thats good
Sorry, but proudly and publicly proclaiming that you hope the president dies doesn't get you in the "otherwise decent" club. It means you're a shitbird.
Trump could end this months ago by ending the Federal State of Emergency and starving the states that want to keep up the farce of federal money
Yeah, but he's so entrenched in the DC political system that pushing him out in any public manner would have resulted in 24/7 fake news about how Trump is anti-science, etc. POTUS has to pick his battles, and I'm happy that Fauci has been generally pushed aside without any big public blowout or rift.
damn, good point.
Dems went from “flatten the curve” to “no one can get infected” very quickly.
It’s an impossible standard to meet and a stupid way to run a state.
How did it do Wonders? The only thing it did wonders for was pave the way for the current shitshow. We have masks and a fucked economy because of the snowball started by the initial lockdowns. Governors did that shit based on nothing but Chinese propaganda
Every metric showed this to be completely wrong. The moment we shut down everything accelerated out of control and destroyed the very system we needed to depend on. I never want to see a world where half the stuff in the store goes missing for weeks and weeks and weeks.
Trump got ventalaters to my state (Washington) and the military built a field hospital next to the Seahawk's stadium.
The governor returned the equipment and the hospital was never used. Yet Inslee has the balls to say that Trump's inaction killed people.
The quarantine did nothing. All it did was funnel everyone in a few locations, quite possibly the stupidest thing you can do in a pandemic. Grocery and big box retail stores were never closed, remember?
The problem is, Fauci was replaced and he still won’t shut up.
Ditto. Got some of the world’s harshest restrictions here in Victoria, and it has crippled Australia’s economy.
Quarantine aged-care and retirement living, let everyone else take whatever precautions they wish.
I’m healthy, and I don’t care if I get Covid. It’s not the government’s responsibility to dictate to me what is best for my health.
Your politicians are captured by Chinese interests. Go figure
It ain't going to get any better for you, pede. Their standards for lockdown are fuckin' pure evil. God help you.
New Zealand is worse. They got one new fucking case and locked down the entire country again. Swedish model is the way to go: keep the country open, let everyone get sick, life goes on.
Sweden's coronavirus is over. They kept the country open the entire time, simply limited large venues to like 50 people max, and told everyone to do some intelligent distancing to avoid spreading so much. Beyond that, every business and everything stayed open. Lots of people got infected, didn't even have symptoms, and developed immunity, and their immunity prevented further spread. Voila. The virus fizzled out. Exactly as Elon said we should have done too.
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That would only make sense if the goal was minimizing the impact of the virus, rather than What it actually was: crashing the economy, further dividing the country via physical symbolism (the mask), and inducing massive fear and mental illness.
Business just make times specific for elderly and people with p.e.conditions. Better than mixing us all together in a grocery store anyways. And businesses stay open.
Of course it was. A well timed biological weapon that has a kill rate lower than one half of one half of one percent... 🤔
Ah, no. If they wanted to release a bioweapon, why use such a weak one? Never been able to wrap my head around that logic.
You would think that parties capable of such a James Bond style plot would actually have it together and wouldn't running around like crazy and putting useless candidates in office.
I mean, if they're that powerful, why not just use their orbital teleporter to beam strontium directly into Trump's bloodstream? Or mind control rays to subvert the populace? Or replace all top level military personnel with clones?
Why settle for a weak disease that is unlikely to have the desired final result, and almost didn't have the desired initial result, either?
I'm just not sure that this is as well oiled a machine as you might think.
What objective of theirs wasn’t achieved? Economy ruined, election transformed, society transformed. Everything they wanted got done.
They know it’s 10% reality and 90% media.
Ah so, it's over and it's time to lay down and die? Economy isn't bouncing back, Biden going to win for sure?
You are just being silly and argumentative
Alex Jones explained all that, it was just a trial run to see what they could get away with. And they love seeing the peasants wearing face diapers, feeling powerful, etc.
Yeah, seems pretty clear that this is just round one. You seen the Bill and Melinda interview where they giggle about the next one and how bad it is going to be? I'm afraid that, if they release something that is actually truly dangerous, we're fucked. The sheep in this country will do whatever the authorities say will make them safer. It'll make this lockdown seem like light restrictions in comparison.
Yep, then comes the forced injections that will make the majority of Americans dumber, lower energy, sterile, etc. That's how close they are to having total control. I hope that god is real and can help the sheep before it's too late.
Ve must deal vith it
So they do it in an election year, with a timeline that comes right down to the wire...?
Just seems to have too many failure points.
Because Everything China designs itself and manufacture is shit. It’s pretty simple if you think about it.
So... why go to China, and not the twelve clones of Doctor Mengele they have in their underwater base?
Seriously, if they engineered this, why go with such an awful plan?
I don’t think they designed it or released it on purpose.
But the virus is almost certainly one that they were studying in the lab. It likely infected a lab worker, who then gave it to others. This lab escape phenomenon has happened many times in the past. China realized what had happened, and made sure to share it with the rest of us.
A virus doesn’t have to be deadly to be effective. This one wiped 20% off the GDP of Europe, more than 10% off the US. That’s pretty effective from China’s POV. It has weakened and distracted us. In the meantime, China has tightened the grip on Hong Kong, started imprisoning 500,000+ Tibetans, and increased aggression against Taiwan. All while we are fussing on with problems at home.
In fact, deadly viruses tend to burn themselves out. If they kill the host, they tend not to spread well. And if you have severe symptoms, you tend not to infect others (because you stay home, hospital etc). Covid, with asymptomatic spreaders and mild symptoms is pretty optimal IMO.
A biological/psychological attack.
China is using it now to internally purge rivals in the CCP and any regions that threaten the interests of Xi-aligned party members.
I am starting to think we need a "virus" hoax of our own to kill the people pushing this authoritarian bullshit. Either that or a placebo "cure" that we can push as our own big lie.
You know, I actually find myself thinking that is the way to do it. Then again, political murder machines quickly turn into a business unto themselves and the murderers don't stop looking at others lives like a cash register once the "authorized" murders are all taken care of. It is very much a slippery slope.
My best moral and practical take on it is that there are other means that are being blocked from dominating our imaginations because we are emotionally in a "war" mindset and unable to see another way to the same goal without so much rending of limbs.
That's how a MAN thinks, unfortunately women have been given unearned positions of leadership for the last 20 years and now we've got a bunch of people with the mindset, well if I'm scared, and do something, EVERYBODY must do that same thing! It's why you see women get so triggered by people NOT wearing masks, because they think if THEY do something, then EVERYBODY must be just as miserable as they are.
Couldn’t agree more.
BING--fucking--GO!!!
Feelings vs. Facts 101
Exactly fucking this. The entire Covid response has been nothing but an outplay of inherent of COWARDICE from a feminine, soft and fearful populace.
Face a hardship. Fucking take a hit and keep moving. This is what the generetations of yesteryear would have done and the fact that anyone, anywhere considers "locking down" our economy and societies is a good fucking idea, is a pure indicator of selfish FEAR and nothing else.
Oh boo hoo, you're gonna die. At <0.4% rate. If you get it. And you're infirm. Oh well I guess we better fuck the entire whole into economic decay and destruction then! Reeeeeee.
*Brought to you by Mothers Against Drunk Driving, the Intemperance League, women voters everywhere, and soi cucks the planet over. Have a good night.
This is hindsight again though.
Back in Feb-March we were looking at a virus which was killing 1-5%. That’s pretty significant.
We could have been facing totally overwhelmed hospitals, totally collapsing everything. Food shortages. Riots. Total meltdown.
I agree we totally over reacted, and we should have reversed course ages ago. Continuation of lockdowns in October is fucking retarded. But it’s totally understandable why we reacted so strongly 6 months ago. It’s not a feminine or pussy response.
The only thing we don’t know right now is any long term effects. Maybe heart and lung damage. Maybe other consequences (think about Varicella virus which causes shingles and hides out in the body for decades). So I totally agree with Musk - give people the freedom to choose, based on their own risk tolerance. If you want to shelter at home and you are able to do it, no problem. But we shouldn’t be stopping people getting back to work, meeting friends etc.
Nah, you just need some better women in your life.
Well to be fair, some of the people in power are just men pretending to be women.
Still no. We can recommend that they self isolate and help them with services to make that easier but it is still the individuals decision to make. No quarantine without proof of illness.
I’m confused. Are you guys saying we should put massive amounts of Wuhan virus positive people in nursing homes, or we shouldn’t?
Not even with proof of illness. College students are being forced to quarantine in a hotel if they test positive despite showing no symptoms
I agree but the precedent is already on the books to quarantine the ill. That would have to be over turned and I don't see it happening.
I would certainly like to see that. Violates the 4th, 5th, and 14th amendments.
I'm actually pretty sure I got it, but I couldn't get tested because my state does contact tracing. Which meant that my parents, who are impoverished and only had one child, would have been locked in their homes without assistance for 2 weeks because I had briefly visited them a week before I even got it. (It was so serious I died, btw. Press F.)
... Talk about a self-defeating policy: I'm an actual germaphobe, and they lost my assistance after the first two weeks. HOW DO YOU LOSE THE GERMAPHOBE?! Idiots!
Part of me hopes health authorities learn something from this whole stupid adventure just in case there is a real pandemic, but part of me thinks they are in fact the biggest totalitarian asshats in this country and that I'm quite glad that they'll probably never figure out what they did wrong.
We need to get rid of health authorities. Let doctors and patients coordinate their response to illness.
No argument here. Frankly, as I said, I'm a germaphobe, so I'm the one group in the country that really did have any trust in those dicks at some point, and they've lost even me. That says a lot about how bad it's become.
That's the really hilarious part to me: I've been really careful around my parents this whole time, because they both are immunocomprimised and elderly, and I basically inherited my germophobia from my mom. This is one of the things I fear for the youth right now: this is a really easy irrational fear to impress on a child.
So they would have been locked down because I stood in their driveway for a few minutes.
I still won't wear a mask around them though. Until they let surgeons operate wearing those masks with a flu, it seems to me that they're just spit guards that are mainly to prevent particulates from falling into a patient and have no place in the general public.
(Social distancing is all that works for viruses. We used to know this. That's why I've always kept my distance from strangers: this isn't even new information. The masks literally have no justification whatsoever scientifically, according to every study done for the past 100 years.)
I'm pretty sure that's what Elon meant. People who are scared/at risk should quarantine themselves.
Correct. We can offer them alternatives like “Hey, there is an elderly hour where the store is 50% capacity. You’re free to use it if you like.” But we can’t force them to use it.
Also of note: enough with the “you have a fever so you have COVID. You’re not welcome here.” Fever can mean tons of things. It isn’t exclusive to COVID. A thermometer isn’t a test.
Agreed.
"...to have anyone who is at risk quarantine until the storm passes."
NOT
"...to have anyone who is at risk quarantined until the storm passes."
Its sucks to say it, but we need people like this to say something so fucking obvious. We can tell our friends and family all we want, but as soon as the dude who made his money creating paypall says it, its got credibility.
Its dumb, but its the truth. Good for Elon being a voice of reason during all of this
C'amon Elon, you are not a rocket scientist!
Funny convo Elon had about this. 10 seconds.
https://youtu.be/cIQ36Kt7UVg?t=179
He is the dude. Truly a doer, a person who acts and gets things done. Amazing times.
He isn't wrong. Unfortunately, every toddler, elementary school child, middle schooler, high schooler, and college kid has now been educated in compliance to the new flavor of insane, counter-productive, anti-American government orders.
Post 9-11 we did the same thing.
This shit is sticking around for a looooooong time. We need to fight HARD to eliminate stupidity like these lockdowns and shoe removal at airports.
Yes, that's the thing. They may have just successfully indoctrinated a whole generation into believeing that this is somehow ok/normal/necessary.
Idk. Talk to someone who is 18-34. They are the “invincibles” that Obama referred to.
They are over this whole BS. It’s cramping their style.
I hope you're right
New York City has about 30% immunity - and the Mayor/Gov are still locking things down for the “second wave.”
First of all, 30% immunity is very good - it means 1 in 3 people the virus encounters cannot spread it. Every third person stops the virus cold.
Secondly, it isn’t proper to call it a “second wave.” It’s a new season. The season was first reported/monitored in February and it effectively ended in June. Any resurgence would be a new season, likely to start in November and end in April/May.
We have flu seasons every year. This years flu isn’t a “second wave” of last year’s flu.
You have a bunch of old people making the rules for a virus that really only effects them. What do you think they would do?
These fucks got to enjoy they’re lives without masks, social distancing, closures, etc and now that they’re old they want to live forever and make the rest of us younger people live in a dystopia. They can fuck off.
There's a pattern of the most productive people in the country hating the lockdowns.
I love netflixtard! So true these morons that can’t stop talking about the latest show they’re binging. Fucking losers.
And same shit with me and nature - literally had a ranger try to chase me running out of his pickup because I was mountain biking alone in Steamboat. They’re policy was legit “the mountain is closed). I’m like the fuck it is.
I agree 100%
I have wondered if it would be worthwhile to have "COVID parties" akin to measles parties form our past, to allow young people to get it, get the sniffles, and move on - to save Grandma
Grandma should remain protected in her home
We are just prolonging reaching herd immunity now, and to pin hopes on a vaccine is pie in the sky. We are still waiting for the SARS1 vaccine....
It’s clear that there were two theories for this:
create easy to follow protocols (distancing/hand washing) and try to lessen the impact of the wave.
Shut everything down and try to stop everyone from getting sick.
The first theory is the only practical one. It accepts the fact that when a virus is in your area, it will hit you. You may be able to increase hygiene and lessen its reach.
The second theory is bonkers. You’re never going to stop everyone from getting sick.
Yup! And the longer no one is immune to it, the more opportunities those at risk face at getting the virus. All the lockdown does is increase the risk for everyone. Total BS!
The funny part is we did sort of have that in the news a while back and it got trashed on as "irresponsible." The college "covid parties" where students would pay a door charge, go in to the party and hang with one person who had it, and the first person to test positive from the party won all the door money.
If I was in college, I’d do this. Get it over with.
The only problem is this nebulous thought as to permanent damage to the lungs/other organs. Is it overblown? Probably. I suspect it is alarmism. Could the standard flu also cause long lasting damage? Perhaps in exceedingly rare cases, and likely mixed up with a pre-existing issue, flu or COVID19 can cause "permanent changes" (likely newly recognized old issue, but the individual is certain it came from the virus...)
Honestly, nobody goes through life unscathed. All illnesses have some risk or other and some have risk of more severe lasting effects. The people ranting about how suddenly they're worried about THIS illness and lasting effects are just the new germophobes created by government control. If they're that afraid, let them stay home and get phased out of society. Other people know life comes with risks and we keep going. Personal choice still applies here. If people want to take the "risk" of getting some lung scarring (or discovering they had it all along, but misatributing it to covid like you said), then they should be able to.
Remember that leftists support communism that has killed 150x more people than Coronavirus. They don’t care about lives just unemployment benefits
Also known as common sense.
I also think boys have a y-chromosome and girls don’t. But clearly I’m a science denier.
Not gonna lie, there was about one week where I was nervous of eating fast food thru the drive through. I would be watching the employees hands take my card, push buttons on the register, and fondle my food and drink.
I was waiting for the homeless to start dying in droves. When that never happened I started doubting. Then came HQC censorship, nursing home deaths, inflated numbers, rioting/looting, and all the rest. At that point I realized we have all been had.
Hoax doesn't even begin to describe it. Whole thing is a one massive psyop.
Out of over 300 residents in a local nursing home where a family member of mine is, more than half have contracted COVID and no one and has died. First case of COVID in the nursing home was over 60 days ago.
Let me add.... “of their own choice” to that
If you are 99 and want to see your great grand baby who was just born.... do it.
Is Musk a conservative or liberal? He's at least conservative on this issue and moving his factory to Texas.
He has been redpilled and is now based.
Globalist
I think he’s a Democrat. But like a Kennedy Democrat, if that makes sense.
Elon musk is a grifter trying to keep his scam fraud company alive. He's an opportunist with no principles. He's not moving his factory to Texas. He's moving it to China where the majority of his cars will be made. The US factory's are gimmicks made for headlines and tax incentives.
They're not gimmicks bud. You can look at the footage of the Fresco plant on YouTube. It's an extremely advanced operation.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bTPZ7bqt1_8
There is nothing extremely advanced about any Tesla operation.
We’re all Pedes here but this is an incredibly bad take
Sorry you feel the truth is a "bad take".
Absolutely. There's no room for common sense and logic in today's world...hysterical, kneejerk reactions are the only way forward!
And to hit back at the Chinese so hard they don’t dare step out of China for a thousand years.
Dry up their manufacturing and they can get back to essential jobs like working in the rice fields again
Im okay with first two weeks, we had to find out who was at risk first.
It's STILL the right thing to do. At this stage we know enough to let people make the choice - if they are afraid or particularly at risk of the virus, then they can voluntarily quarentine and wear masks. Everyone else, get back to work !
This whole lockdown thing was unconstitutional and against amendment 14th. Government had no right to deprive people of their livelihoods without due process. We never shut down the economy for any other epidemic. Trump was tricked by false models and predictions. Remember back in Sept when he said he had to lay low for a while because he made a bunch of big important people mad when he lowered the drug prices? And now, they somehow found a way to infect him and a bunch of other Republicans too, but no Democrats. Looks fishy.
The UN and WEF are now pushing ideas of a "great reset" and to "build back better" (also Joe's campaign slogan) to promote socialism and green new deals across the globe. You have to wonder if these lockdowns were designed to facilitate those changes.
100% correct. We're all adults and we all know the risks. Those who are scared of Covid can stay home forever, those that are not scared should be allowed to go about their daily lives. Lock downs and forcefully shutting down businesses should never be allowed again
Well, at least after the first 2 weeks when the"at risk" population was more clearly identified
Makes perfect sense. That way we function relatively normal much like Iceland. Anyone 70+ would wear a mask, use ample amounts of sanitizer, Isopropyl Alcohol, get sun, fresh air(while distancing), stay clean while the REST OF US live our lives! If we get it, we get it, no big deal! Good Lord
Elon-Chan. Born in South Africa, raised in Canada and now an American citizen. Born to the Commonwealth but American by choice.
Fire Fauci, hire Elon.
No shit, Sherlock.
It would be cheaper to pay the rent for those at risk and feed them than to pay unemployment for everyone and give out so much in fraudulent ppp loans
Hopefully Cuomo and Whitmer are tried for hundreds of counts of negligent homicide!
Why should we listen to people like him who exhibit next level intelligence patterns??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DY6RJUqggNk
That's arguably just regular intelligence. Logic following logic. Facts following facts.
Everybody else is just really, really stupid, constructing their minds around emotional arguments and dogma.
Common sense and logic isn’t the Left’s strong suit. Just ask Thomas Paine.
Common sense.
You can literally get ANYTHING including fucking groceries delivered nowadays yet we shut down the entire country over a bullshit Flu that doesn't do shit to young folk.
H1N1's death toll aged UNDER 65 was like 60 something percent yet everything was up and running.
Elon for future president. This sounds very presidential of him.
"The Needs of the Many Outweigh the Needs of the Few" - Spock
A fellow pede of Swedish descent has joined the chat.
SCAMdemic!!
Pretty cool how just stating the obvious these days gets you quoted like you're Voltaire or something. Everybody knows what should've been done. Lack of knowledge was never the problem here.
This was my exact thinking from day one back in mid March. And it’s what we have always done.
Same. Elderly, infirm and ‘fraid can make a decision to go out or not. Ffs