States laws are just there to tell you whether you'll need to worry about the local authorities coming for you if you do it. You should note them, in order to color your future plans and preparations, but the Constitution says you can ignore them in practice.
That's the thing about rights - once they get trampled on, it rarely goes back.
I am honestly astonished the Clinton AWB was ever stopped. IIRC they didn't even overturn it in court or vote to stop it, they just didn't renew it...?
No, she didn’t. You’ve got that totally wrong. She ruled with someone else who authored an opinion the seem e of which was that where some places could not operate with more than ten or twenty people a church should allow up to 50 for the church services but should have the same rules when doing non-church activities (battle of the bands, bake sale etc).
I’m in favor of strict anti-lockdown measures but this is being portrayed as something that it isn’t.
Still figuring out where my "off the grid in the woods with a rifle" line is they'll need to cross. Think we'll get to states leaving the union before it comes to that though
It's a huge issue with a lot of people who would never admit that its a huge issue for them. Putting Beto in charge of gun policy is all you need to know, along with his "Bingo! We're taking your guns away" quote. Hopefully those get some play in October.
Police coming to your house to get your guns makes things very personal.
While I think it could be done, doing this without picking up a Craigslist drillpress seems like an exercise in frustration. A little benchtop unit is fine.
If you want to make your life even easier, pick up a cross-slide vice. Now you basically have a poor man's mill.
Very easy, ordered 3 AR lowers and a jig last year, I work at sea the majority of the year so I lose track of the crap I order. Company had a glitch in their system so they sent me 3 extra lowers after realizing they didnt send me anything for like 6 months. I finished all 6 in a week, I do have an expensive drill press but I could see it being done with something cheap. The only problem I had was one inconsistency with the schematics and the jig.
If you want to do a P80 you can do those with a dremel and a box cutter.
Can someone please explain what this means? I am a gun idiot. I mean, I know enough about hunting rifles, and hunted irregularly since I was 12. I grew up on a farm, but I don't know anything about 80% lowers.
What is the lower? If you buy some sort of device that (I assume improves performance) for a semiautomatic, it can only function at 80%? Otherwise you can't sell it?
Not sure of your skill level, but if the idea of field stripping a gun is complicated, you may want to hold off on the 80% build. It's not hard, but a bit of common knowledge goes a long way.
On most guns the part with the serial number is considered the firearm. On rifles, it is usually the part with the receiver. Pistols, the frame. ARs are pretty unique on that they are comprised of an "upper" and a "lower". The lower is considered the gun and will have a serial number.
The receiver is what houses the trigger, firing pin, and mounts all the other major components. A 100% receiver is ready to build a gun. An 80% receiver needs some machine work to build a functioning gun. Since a gun is a collection of parts, the NFA defined the receiver as the specific part you buy that's regulated.
So the concept is you buy a receiver that's 80% complete and not ready to build a functional gun, finish the receiver by milling and shaping it, and then build your gun to avoid the paperwork hassle. https://i.imgur.com/8gVmvOA.jpg
Sort of. It's a NFA regulated item that requires a tax stamp from the ATF, but it's considered its own part.
If you want to buy a short-barrel rifle, you need a tax stamp for the gun. If you then want to add a suppressor, you need a second tax stamp for that.
As a side note, if you want to put a stock on your AR15 pistol, that's considered manufacturing a short-barrel rifle and needs a tax stamp.
I can’t wait to see it matured and posted as beautiful freedom shooter. The Armalite Rifle 15. Or as the left calls it assault rifle. What’s even funnier about that is the legal definition of assault is threat. While battery means the actual physical harm. So therefore they could be right in the fact that we threaten them with the looks :)
Honest question, why go 80%? I know the legal reason for it, but if you have a milling machine why not just start with a piece of billet and do it all? Like with 3D printed lowers, you could optimize the design to conform to the limitations of the tool and medium.
The theory is that the government won't know it exist when the communists come to take your guns. Considering that 80% lowers are at least a 4 week lead time now, when you could buy one at any gun show for $40 a year ago attests to the fact that there will be millions in existence, not including guns that were just handed down over the years.
Well then, you can fire up your "milling machine" and create your own upper, lower, trigger group, bolt carrier, barrel, etc. Post up some pics when you got a finished product.
Both of my grandfathers were machinists, one having learned his trade building liberty ships. He died in the 70's but his shop was a place of wonders as a kid. Everything was massive WWII surplus. No CNC back then, but massive, overbuilt equipment. As a result all of my uncles at least dabble in it, and some of them went on to become machinists themselves, but I've never picked it up. I have a 3D printer and that's it. Even my dad has a lathe and mill in his hobby shop (surplus from his brother's business), so I just bug him when I need something.
You don't need a very expensive milling machine, you'll need a drill press or a hand router to finish the 80% lower. All of the mill work and holes/cavities have been pre-finished/milled, except for the trigger cavity and and two or three other drill holes. You'll need a guide called a "Jig" that will help you accurately "drill-out" these remaining ports and holes to finish your project.
Yes, it's legal to build guns for your own use. You only need a manufacturing permit if you regularly sell them. Some states have laws like you have to put a serial number on them, and of course you can't legally build something you can't legally buy.
Drill press with a good throw, handheld router, vice, jig and a shopvac, eye and ear pro and a n95 recommended bigly. Tiny shards of aluminum everywhere and in the air. Not hard, not easy. Need more tools to add the parts. My jig came with the bits, but you will probly break the endmill... get 2.
I do mine with a drill press, a die grinder and a caliper. If in doubt, go slowly, measuring as you go and even assemble the lower several times to understand why you do what you do. I've done 7 and they all work fine. Kept me busy during quarrantine but I had bought them months before. 😉
TL;DR while laws vary across states, 80% lowers generally provide the opportunity to build a rifle with minimal (not zero) skill and almost no experience as well as no involvement from the government. ALWAYS research the law in your state before buying or building a gun.
There are ample online sources including videos to show how to machine the receiver at home. 80 lowers are almost as cheap as full lowers and in some cases can be bought with what is called a "jig" which provides a template for milling and reduces the skill required dramatically. Some lowers and jigs can be bought as a kit, other places offer the bits required in the kit as well. There also exists some jig kits of moderate cost which provide templates for all sorts of caliber cuts. Generally, again check the law for your state, the 80 lower can be shipped to your doorstep with no background check and no FFL. Lots of people perform the machining with just a drill press and router.
80% lower receivers are unfinished and thus not firearms according to the ATF. They require drilling/milling and random tweaks to make into a working firearm. This is legal in the USA and many people enjoy creating their own firearms.....also they have no serial numbers and ship straight to your door.
How much of a pain in the ass is it to mill out the lower? What do you need?
Constitution says shall not be infringed though :(
States laws are just there to tell you whether you'll need to worry about the local authorities coming for you if you do it. You should note them, in order to color your future plans and preparations, but the Constitution says you can ignore them in practice.
That's the thing about rights - once they get trampled on, it rarely goes back.
I am honestly astonished the Clinton AWB was ever stopped. IIRC they didn't even overturn it in court or vote to stop it, they just didn't renew it...?
It’s interesting that the Supreme Court didn’t rule on like ten gun cases last session
Almost like they knew
What is ACB’s 2A stance? I know she is a Constitutionalist- but I remind you she voted in favor of the lockdowns......
No, she didn’t. You’ve got that totally wrong. She ruled with someone else who authored an opinion the seem e of which was that where some places could not operate with more than ten or twenty people a church should allow up to 50 for the church services but should have the same rules when doing non-church activities (battle of the bands, bake sale etc).
I’m in favor of strict anti-lockdown measures but this is being portrayed as something that it isn’t.
"living breathing document hur dur"
That hasn't been changed in decades and is extremely difficult to change and will NEVER be changed with the current and future political climate...
These same people also believe that abortion is protected by the constitution, despite nothing of the sort even being hinted at.
I mean if we get a red super majority in house and Senate then they might be able to.
If we get a blue super majority God help us.....
Still figuring out where my "off the grid in the woods with a rifle" line is they'll need to cross. Think we'll get to states leaving the union before it comes to that though
When they are 100% finished they are
The files to make your own gun are just ideas.
Yeah they probably fall under the fist amendment and freedom of the press.
The left doesn't much like the first amendment either.
Smoke em while you got em
There’s some speculation The new Nazi party is Going to ban gun parts like bolt carriers, barrels, uppers etc.
this needs to be better publicized
It's a huge issue with a lot of people who would never admit that its a huge issue for them. Putting Beto in charge of gun policy is all you need to know, along with his "Bingo! We're taking your guns away" quote. Hopefully those get some play in October.
Police coming to your house to get your guns makes things very personal.
He also wants to ban the sale of gun parts via Internet.
Want to repair your old gun? Nope.
They sell templates that will allow you to mill it out properly with a drill press
While I think it could be done, doing this without picking up a Craigslist drillpress seems like an exercise in frustration. A little benchtop unit is fine.
If you want to make your life even easier, pick up a cross-slide vice. Now you basically have a poor man's mill.
Also, buy the best tooling you can afford.
Very easy, ordered 3 AR lowers and a jig last year, I work at sea the majority of the year so I lose track of the crap I order. Company had a glitch in their system so they sent me 3 extra lowers after realizing they didnt send me anything for like 6 months. I finished all 6 in a week, I do have an expensive drill press but I could see it being done with something cheap. The only problem I had was one inconsistency with the schematics and the jig.
If you want to do a P80 you can do those with a dremel and a box cutter.
I understand that the P80s fail in the area of the buffer tube connection rather early.
I could see that. Only built one handgun that way.
G19 gen 3 and that thing was a pain in the ass to get the slide to cycle correctly.
80percentarms.com
Easyjig Gen 2
Router
Routing kit with special router
Each lower takes about 40 minutes so plan on spending about a day on these with your 10-pack of 80% lowers
Hope you got a little ammo. 9mm is up more than 400% since the beginning of the year. I'm looking at my stash with tears in my eyes.
If you can even find it. Went to a sporting goods store this morning (not dicks bc fuck dicks) and no 223, 556, or 9mm.
Yeah you can... well... I can lol. Buy a 10 pack
Can someone please explain what this means? I am a gun idiot. I mean, I know enough about hunting rifles, and hunted irregularly since I was 12. I grew up on a farm, but I don't know anything about 80% lowers.
An AR has a lower receiver.
An 80% lower is a chunk of metal that has been milled out to 80% complete.
The extra 20% has to be performed to complete to create a 100% lower receiver.
On the AR platform only the lower receiver is governed by law requiring an FFL to handle a buy/sell.
80% doesn't require paperwork since it's just an oddly shaped block of metal.
What is the lower? If you buy some sort of device that (I assume improves performance) for a semiautomatic, it can only function at 80%? Otherwise you can't sell it?
This is a great explanation. Thanks. How does one do the machining?
There are various methods
Not sure of your skill level, but if the idea of field stripping a gun is complicated, you may want to hold off on the 80% build. It's not hard, but a bit of common knowledge goes a long way.
The lower is what houses: the buffer tube, buffer spring assembly, buffer retaining spring, takedown pins, safety, grip, trigger, and bolt release.
The upper houses: the charging handle, bolt, barrel, gas tube, gas block, the sights, and the handguard.
I hope that this helps.
On most guns the part with the serial number is considered the firearm. On rifles, it is usually the part with the receiver. Pistols, the frame. ARs are pretty unique on that they are comprised of an "upper" and a "lower". The lower is considered the gun and will have a serial number.
The receiver is what houses the trigger, firing pin, and mounts all the other major components. A 100% receiver is ready to build a gun. An 80% receiver needs some machine work to build a functioning gun. Since a gun is a collection of parts, the NFA defined the receiver as the specific part you buy that's regulated.
So the concept is you buy a receiver that's 80% complete and not ready to build a functional gun, finish the receiver by milling and shaping it, and then build your gun to avoid the paperwork hassle.
https://i.imgur.com/8gVmvOA.jpg
Dumb it down a bit for me, if you could, please.
See my above comment.
ELI4
the supressor is also considered a firearm by the law
Sort of. It's a NFA regulated item that requires a tax stamp from the ATF, but it's considered its own part.
If you want to buy a short-barrel rifle, you need a tax stamp for the gun. If you then want to add a suppressor, you need a second tax stamp for that.
As a side note, if you want to put a stock on your AR15 pistol, that's considered manufacturing a short-barrel rifle and needs a tax stamp.
Heres a uptrump because a sour puss downvoted ya
+1
No doubt a jerk from the reddit ar15 forum
Depending on the state u in, it requires no license or reg until you sell or give away.
I can’t wait to see it matured and posted as beautiful freedom shooter. The Armalite Rifle 15. Or as the left calls it assault rifle. What’s even funnier about that is the legal definition of assault is threat. While battery means the actual physical harm. So therefore they could be right in the fact that we threaten them with the looks :)
80% lowers are suprisingly resistant to boating accidents.
What 80% lowers? 😉😉
Correct
Nice handy paperweight ya got there Pede.
These look scary and black to me, they must be the shoulder things that go up.
/s for those who need it
I see a nighthawk forearm on the left, that's a nice forearm
Oh my goodness, a sticky.
Honest question, why go 80%? I know the legal reason for it, but if you have a milling machine why not just start with a piece of billet and do it all? Like with 3D printed lowers, you could optimize the design to conform to the limitations of the tool and medium.
Why do all the work when you can pay a little more to do only 20% of it?
The theory is that the government won't know it exist when the communists come to take your guns. Considering that 80% lowers are at least a 4 week lead time now, when you could buy one at any gun show for $40 a year ago attests to the fact that there will be millions in existence, not including guns that were just handed down over the years.
For the same reason I'd buy a 80% lower instead of a finished one for the same price or even less. Self sufficiency.
Well then, you can fire up your "milling machine" and create your own upper, lower, trigger group, bolt carrier, barrel, etc. Post up some pics when you got a finished product.
People are not doing it for that reason, its for it to be not be traced to them. ghost gun
I am very fortunate in that I have a pede uncle with a CNC machine shop business.
Both of my grandfathers were machinists, one having learned his trade building liberty ships. He died in the 70's but his shop was a place of wonders as a kid. Everything was massive WWII surplus. No CNC back then, but massive, overbuilt equipment. As a result all of my uncles at least dabble in it, and some of them went on to become machinists themselves, but I've never picked it up. I have a 3D printer and that's it. Even my dad has a lathe and mill in his hobby shop (surplus from his brother's business), so I just bug him when I need something.
I have the tools to go from 80 to 100 but not from 0 to 100 sir!
The 80% is professionally machined to better tolerances than I could ever do. The 20% left to do can be a little sloppy and still work.
You don't need a very expensive milling machine, you'll need a drill press or a hand router to finish the 80% lower. All of the mill work and holes/cavities have been pre-finished/milled, except for the trigger cavity and and two or three other drill holes. You'll need a guide called a "Jig" that will help you accurately "drill-out" these remaining ports and holes to finish your project.
Cost:
The magazine clip on this fires 800 heat seeking rounds per SECOND.
That barrel is adorable!
I'm excited to try that length out. And shoot the gun too!
A harmless chunk of glorious metal!
My chunks are in .308 format!
80% FTW!
Can I get a QRD on le 80% thing?
Is it legal to own a gun you "built" that otherwise you wouldn't be able to own in a commie state? Or something? Why do people do that?
https://thedonald.win/p/HYLU7ol6/x/c/17t1fWQfW3
Here ya go baby! My reasoning was no big brother involvement.
Yes, it's legal to build guns for your own use. You only need a manufacturing permit if you regularly sell them. Some states have laws like you have to put a serial number on them, and of course you can't legally build something you can't legally buy.
Ok so people are 80%ing for fun, not to legally have a gun they couldn't buy in Commiefornia, for example
Generally. There's probably a few scofflaws out there, but they won't be bragging about it on public forums.
Drill press with a good throw, handheld router, vice, jig and a shopvac, eye and ear pro and a n95 recommended bigly. Tiny shards of aluminum everywhere and in the air. Not hard, not easy. Need more tools to add the parts. My jig came with the bits, but you will probly break the endmill... get 2.
I do mine with a drill press, a die grinder and a caliper. If in doubt, go slowly, measuring as you go and even assemble the lower several times to understand why you do what you do. I've done 7 and they all work fine. Kept me busy during quarrantine but I had bought them months before. 😉
Sir, I regret to inform you, the condition of your buffer tube is terminal.
Please, be thoughtful of others, put it down, and then buy an SBA3 like a normal person that doesn't live in 2004.
I sign off on everything else though
For those of you advocating the manufacture of firearms from scratch, here ya go.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTy3uQFsirk&feature=emb_logo
TL;DR while laws vary across states, 80% lowers generally provide the opportunity to build a rifle with minimal (not zero) skill and almost no experience as well as no involvement from the government. ALWAYS research the law in your state before buying or building a gun.
A little light reading re: 80 lowers
From the horses mouth, what the ATF says about 80 lowers.
There are ample online sources including videos to show how to machine the receiver at home. 80 lowers are almost as cheap as full lowers and in some cases can be bought with what is called a "jig" which provides a template for milling and reduces the skill required dramatically. Some lowers and jigs can be bought as a kit, other places offer the bits required in the kit as well. There also exists some jig kits of moderate cost which provide templates for all sorts of caliber cuts. Generally, again check the law for your state, the 80 lower can be shipped to your doorstep with no background check and no FFL. Lots of people perform the machining with just a drill press and router.
If you build it, it will Pew, Pew, Pew!
I drill my own holes
I know someone who really needs to get a jig and get to work on some not guns
I don't understand.....anyone want to explain?
80% lower receivers are unfinished and thus not firearms according to the ATF. They require drilling/milling and random tweaks to make into a working firearm. This is legal in the USA and many people enjoy creating their own firearms.....also they have no serial numbers and ship straight to your door.
32 more...please just 32 more uptrumps. I'll never ask for anything else.
Is there a favorite book that describes a build? With dimensioned drawings, etc.?
Come back when you have a full working gun faggot
Another full working gun*
Talking sweet like that, you'll make me blush!
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4chan's attaway, jannie.
deport this cuck