So I am not hardcore of NOT wearing a mask. I will stand up when I need to for what I believe. The mask thing wasn't a hill I was going to die on until today.
I go to the gas station and forget my mask. In my county you cannot require someone to wear a mask if they have a disability. I go to this gas station all the time and know the people that work there. Today some boot licker that ive never seen was there and when I walked in he tells me to put on a mask. I just walk by and say "I have a disability" and honestly I do because I have hearing loss from the military.
So ole boy just keeps jacking his jaw telling me its required and I keep telling him now. I say are you the police? Are you trained medical professional that can give medical advice and provide medical intervention?
He threatens to call the cops and I tell him to do so. Meanwhile I am paying for my goods. I said you need to educate yourself on the counties regulation and laws because you cannot discriminate someone on disability. He kept pointing at the sign that said masks are required like that was some sort of legal doctrine.
I told him to stop playing tough guy. As i left he said not to come back without a mask and I said i will come back later without one and you wont do jack shit about it.
I called the corporate office and complained. This isnt a huge gas station either so I was talking directly to the person in charge for guest services. My wife called after and she was going to complain to the manager of the store acting like she was there because dude caused a scene (he really did). The store employee said the manager couldnt come to the phone because he was on the phone with corporate LMAO.
TLDR Had to put a boot licker in his place about masks. Called corporate office and they contacted the store.
Edit: apparently we have some boot lickers here too in comments. No I didn’t Karen the corporate office to complain I did it because boot licker dude didn’t know the policies of that county nor the corporation and refused to stop running his mouth the entire time I was in there. You cannot discriminate against someone with a disability this is clear in the Supreme Court and the American Disabilities Act. I called them so that boot licker wouldn’t run his mouth next time I was in there so the corporate services told me that is correct. He should have asked me once and dropped it.
Edit: I was somewhat wrong about the ADA. Its still getting litigated in court. However, my county has the restrictions and clearly state that you cannot require them for certain reasons.
We have a mask mandate but I never wear mine anywhere. When told to put one on, I simply say "I have a prior medical condition" and then ignore said person if they say anything else. This is a free country, I'm happy to die on this hill, even if I have to do it alone.
I spend time in pa, my policy is always go maskless first. If someone makes a stink, then i will decide what kind of confrontation i wish to have. The only place in pa that makes a stink is costco, and it is solely from a liability perspective to “protect” their employees, so they cant sue costco.
And i wear it in the occasional grocery store where i prefer not to interact with casual acquaintances. The grocery store is a necessary evil for me, but i like to make my time in there as short as possible, so i despise making small talk.
Other than that, i have only had positive experiences by not wearing a mask in pa. Your default should always be it is your choice whether to wear one or not.
If somebody gives me shit, im ready to give it right back, the easiest being look for someone not wearing over their nose, there is always at least one, usually an employee, so i point that out and tell them if everyone was wearing a mask properly, as well as eye and ear protection, ill consider it, but until then, they arent doing shit. If that doesnt do it, ill explain why masks dont work, if i think they are above 80 IQ and capable of understanding. After that, i will explain why i have no fear of getting it, and if i do, ill only be strengthening my immune system. Failing all of those, ill explain to them why they are harming humanity by not helping aches herd immunity, and when something worse comes along, a lot more people are going to die because of their baseless fear and stupidity.
You can still erode their will to fight by talking half-measures. Wear a scarf mask but super-loose, and let it keep slipping down. Aim to find the border of compliance, where they give up on trying to ‘fix’ you, but anyone looking can see the worthlessness of the entire endevour.
This is the strategy to use if you avoid confrontations or are forced by circumstances to comply. Every effort helps. THE GOAL IS TO DEGRADE THE STORE MANAGERS’ WILLINGNESS TO ENFORCE THE MADATES.
Yep, very astute! In most stores, the majority of the staff hate wearing them. I sat down with two kitchen designers in lowes, and they were complaining that the6 have to wear them. I told them im hard of hearing and need to read their lips in order to communicate. They both took them off.
I'm wearing mask in some places as to not cause trouble which is pretty much the supermarket.
everywhere else nope. never had someone argue with me. best I get is a weird look or someone switching side walk or a quiet "put a mask on". these are rare though most people just seem scared of others judging them for not having it on.
I'm still hoping for a zealot to get mad though!
oh and my best one was crossing path with a dude while a mask is in my hand. I though he was going to explode. didn't dare to say anything. I guess the daily exercise is paying off haha.
I haven't worn a mask at any point. Early on I got some odd looks in the grocery store. But now nobody cares, even if they're wearing masks, they treat me like a normal person.
At first, I was the only person in the store without a mask, but now I'd say it's about 30% without 70% with. People are very slowly getting over their fear.
Tbh, I had hoped to run into a crazy just for fun, but it's just as well that people around here are at least somewhat sane.
we have security guards here at all stores to enforce compliance. i live in CA though..
I'm from GA.. I believe Walmart has covid guards, but I never go to Walmart. Last time I went (pre-covid) they had a gate and regular guards at the door. That was a little to crazy for me so I just never went back.
Ingles, Kroger, Publix, Freshway, Piggly Wiggly, etc. I haven't had any trouble with them. Kroger is the only one where people gave me odd looks. But it is also in the largest city near me.
From my experience city people buy into the fear easier.
BYPASS THE GUARDS AND REMOVE YOUR MASK DEEP INSIDE THE STORE.
This makes the manager’s intervention and customer removal task 1,000x more complicated and risky from their perspective.
ERODE THEIR WILLINGNESS TO ENFORCE BY EVERY (legal) MEANS!
If I did go to Walmart, (I have no desire to do so) I wouldn't wear the mask at all.
I don't even own a mask to wear, unless you count a grinding mask or a welding helmet. I ran out of dust masks last year, and didn't think it would be hard to get more. Turns out idiots think dust masks will help stop viruses.
The system is designed to intercept you at the door and place the dilemma onto YOU: trespass or comply.
The deeper into the store you are at the point of intervention, the more the burden of the dilemma is shifted to the manager, and the length of the ‘protest time’ is extended without putting yourself in legal jeopardy. As long as you are slowly making progress towards the exit, they cannot and will not touch you. Just don’t lose your cool, touch anyone or anything, make threats, or ‘act out’ (like ‘fake coughing’).
That's a nice idea, but I seriously doubt they would care one way or the other, GA isn't a lockdown state and I don't live anywhere near Atlanta.
Out of curiosity I might swing by Walmart, but if they don't let me in without a mask, I'm not going to waste time.
yeah here it depends - I'd have to go quite far to have no enforcement.
I did notice ppl in SF care less than neighboring cities.. which have more wealthy virtue signaling type ppl.
Yep I was surprised to see one of these boot lickers out in the wild like this. You could tell he was ready to pounce the minute I walked in but he got out alpha by me
Similar experience. I've never worn a mask once. Walk in a store I don't usually go to. Guy says, "You can't be in here without a mask!" I ask if it is a store policy, he says county mandate. I ask him to see a copy of it and show him the part that says anyone is exempt if a legal, medical or behavioral professional has said so. He asked me, "Do you have proof?" Told him he could be in violation of ADA for asking that question and I'd be contacting the corporate office, the fuel brand, the ADA and every other phone number I can find that has someone who will listen on the other end if he doesn't stop trying to play judge, jury and executioner with the mask mandate. I guess I'm a Karen for constitutional rights and common sense.
You did correct. I’m surprised these places aren’t informing their employees on the actual laws. You can serve them a notice of discrimination in court. Also asking for proof violates HIPAA
I didn't. I have hearing loss and issues in my right ear due to military. The county laws explicitly states that as a disability. I can refuse to wear the mask and explain my disability. Does it hinder my ability? Not really but breathing in a mask does make it hard to hear. It doesn't matter if you nor the dude thinks it's a big enough issue to warrant taking it off. Im assuming you didn't read what i wrote.
My county exempts people with certain disabilities. This isn't a state wide mandate this is the county and the county clearly states that.
I am not here to debate whether or not they went against the ADA. That is a legal battle that will be heard and going to the courts currently, not some website declaring it as such. There are currently many lawsuits in the works so I will wait to hear from those not some random person that gives me a link.
Wait so if my county exempts me from wearing a mask and I don’t wear it I’m still breaking the law? Nice logic dude you are a bright one lmao
If you cant hear it helps to read people’s lips and you cant read lips if the other person is wearing a mask. He was not lying.
Let me just say that my hearing is so good I have to wear ear PLUGS and yet I still cannot understand what some people are saying behind their mask because they mumble and it helps to be able to look at their face and lips when they are talking. I still dont know if my drive thru lunch order was $10.56 or $10.66 because the order taker was wearing a mask. So enough of this hearing aid smart ass talk.
We have an internet medical doctor here that knows everything about mask mandates, disabilities. Can't you see?
BASED
Another useful tactic in this scenario is to ask them if they’re ready for A CLOSE EXAMINATION OF WHETHER ALL THE HEALTH REGULATIONS ARE BEING FOLLOWED AT THAT SITE.
Something as simple as pointing out that they’re not wearing a correct name tag can put the fear of God into these types.
Tell them that when they call the police you will insist that they are using the mask mandate to deflect from their own safety violations, food handler permit violations, OSHA compliance, sanitary conditions, that you will be insisting that a health inspector visit, and that you will file a corporate complaint not over the masks, but over their other violations and/or disrespectful words & non-policy compliant behaviors (think of your average set of boilerplate corporate rules for employees).
Not only does it shut down their motivation, it redirect their whole angle of enforcement to put THEM on defense, pursues an attack path where they know they are weakest, and serves as an object lesson about regulatory overreach and Karenism.
https://www.statefoodsafety.com/Resources/Resources/training-tip-5-common-food-safety-violations
https://blog.smartsense.co/fda-5-food-safety-citations
https://www.cleanwithkeystone.com/news-and-insights/top-10-food-safety-violations
https://howardmavity.com/2014/02/08/do-you-know-your-stores-most-common-osha-violations/
https://www.nj.gov/labor/lsse/laws/Retail_Gasoline_Act_and_Regs.html
THIS IS HOW WE FIGHT AND WIN THE MASK BATTLE
(see comments for tactics and useful scientific proof)
https://thedonald.win/p/HEzJp5LE/were-not-gonna-take-it--target-s/
Here’s all the links & sources on mask science you need
Including:
https://thedonald.win/p/HEgcXddD/forcing-me-to-wear-political-sym/
Thank u for ya service n job well done!! <3 MAGA2020
freaking hero, right here bois!
Lol those 'masks required' signs are like the "no guns" signs posted in place of a proper 30.06/30.07. Completely unenforceable if not the law of the land.
Not to mention, scientists just confirmed the virus is capable of airborne transmission, not just aerosols. So the masks do way less to protect people than anyone had previously thought.
Do you really trust these reports? It's all politics, they've shown time and time again this isn't scientific. It's all horseshit.
It’s ackshually worse than horseshit. It’s bullshit, which is much more stinky.
No. I don't trust them at all anymore.
The point of it is to use the cdcs language against them...and their language says airborne which in healthcare means only n95 or above are effective protection
Gotcha
Just confirmed? CDC said weeks ago but quietly backtracked after credible report of airborne through aerosols.
Link to the new one?
I saw it on TD this morning. I'll search for the link
I will look as well, thanks.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/05/cdc-revises-coronavirus-guidance-to-acknowledge-that-it-spreads-through-airborne-transmission.html
Okay cool. So they're basically confirming what they said two weeks ago that they pulled because it was a "draft" but now it's not.
Such vague language in that article too. Like it was written by lawyers, not scientists.
Police Arrest Disabled Militarily Veteran for Not Wearing a Mask
I'm sure that would be a well received headline.
I hate masks. The Healthy American has some good info about how to stick up for your rights. My teen almost passed out in school choir yesterday! Now I’m looking for a “fake” mask for him, he can’t attend in person without it (don’t get me started on that🤯)
I know people around here that have gotten exemptions in school for masks. Because again its hindering disabilities. Glasses, breathing issues. What happened to your teen could warrant an exemption.
Doing God's work, pede.
My wife made me a bullshit "mask" that about as thin as can be. (I don't believe in a) horsehshit masks,or b) COVID-19 is so DeAdLy REEE) I drape the damn thing over my ears and pull it down to my chin. Good enuff.
And only in stores. (I CCW. Not worth the hassle, IMO, especially with firearms involved. My MO has always been do NOT INTERACT WITH POLICE.)
But that's it. It's not perfect, maybe, but whatever. I guess we choose our battles. You're a hero, fren.
Right on! But call them what they are...commies
Fuck yea good for you and please stop conforming to their bullshit and quit the mask all together.
Must be Virginia.
Good for you!
Video? Photo? Anything other than this masturbatory fan fiction? You even use the term "boot licker". Reddit cucks and antifa love that term...
You're on the suspect list for deportation....
Yes because I have nothing else to do but just make up a fiction gas station trip for no reason lol
calling corporate on some pissant wage slave is some serious 'Karen' energy
No 1 random employee making a scene was karen...pushing back on the karen is called being a chad
I called them because they cannot do that. Literally has nothing to do with anything besides stopping the next idiot that decides they want to make a scene from someone wearing a mask when they cannot. I didn’t do it to get the dude in trouble I did it so next time I go in there ole boy doesn’t run his mouth
Being a pissant wage slave and trying to act like a cop is some serious cuck energy.
Fight fire with Fire, fren
yah except you cant do that. I cant open a gas station and say fuck ADA code by putting a sign in the window saying "NO WHEELCHAIRS ALLOWED"
Same goes with conceal carry and stores putting "No guns allowed" it doesnt work that way.
This is not true as every place has an exemption for mask and disabilities for that reason. It’s currently being challenged in court and they will eventually decide. It is violating someone with disabilities rights to wear a mask if that mask is enforcing that disability. Even California has an exemption for disabilities
My county explicitely says those with hearing issues or hard of hearing, under the age of 5, or medical conditions like heart disease or trouble breathing are grounds for exemptions. You are not a medical professional and the county clearly says what is exempt. I have documented proof that I am hard of hearing through several hearing tests. Just because you think its not a disability doesnt make it so. But im not here to have to justify to you and i am in the exemption category. Why have exemptions if you cant use them?
Not at all. Because they cannot enforce their policies due to disabilities. So they can refuse a kid in a wheel chair service because their store policies? In fact their corporate policies are exactly what I stated. So this is not the store policies at all it was some idiot who didn’t know. Re read my story before posting ignorance
You are correct I misspoke about the HIPAA that is more for employers. Masks can fall under ADA due to it affecting other disability. However, this probably is debatable in court and need to let them decide which I’m sure will happen. But my counties requirement is explicit when saying what they cannot refuse service for and not sure why the dude made such a stink about it.
The businesses dont want to do this. They are being unlawfully mandated to do it under threat of having their business shut down and business licence revoked
This would be true if it were a store policy. The store is trying to enforce a county mandate which exempts people with health conditions. The store isn't the arbiter of county mandate disputes and cannot by federal law inquire as to your health conditions. The store can inform you that there is a mandate requiring them in the event you were unaware and can ask if you would like one but cannot ask you to wear one to shop. Again, unless it is their store policy. These are store employees trying to play police officer when their store doesn't require it.
STORES ARE A ‘PUBLIC ACCOMMODATION’.
They don’t have the same absolute private property rights that a private citizen does. They can’t, for example, require you to wear a white hood (or a MAGA hat, to offer both a Democrat and a Republican example ‘symbolic attire’)
If your argument contains “should be”, you need to go back and reform it.
The specific question you posed has been extensively litigated. What did the courts say about it that is applicable (besides simply identifying the final ruling)?
That is a civil rights issue not a disability issue.
Its legal because it goes against the counties own regulation which is the reason for the company to have their guidelines. The same gas station doesnt require masks outside of this county. Therefore they have to abide by the counties regulation and those with exemptions do not have to wear them.
Also there are several disabilities that fit into the ADA that masks restrict. We could go on and on. And im assuming this will be litigated in court. I assume you are not a lawyer and I am not so we are simply going off of opinions on the ADA. But im strictly speaking to the counties regulation and nothing more.
Perfectly said.