The process is the punishment. Pure lawfare. It doesn't matter what the outcome is, the DA wins. It's all designed to fuck with you. The McCloskeys will spend more than the what the average American makes in a year, and they will Drag this out. Meanwhile, it's just a Tuesday for the DA, they are getting paid to fuck with your life and deplete your resources. If this was an average person, you would be railroaded and fucked.
We'd feel better if our side more often planned what to do about it together, helped each other, etc. We supposedly have all these strong professional people, but we need more leaders. Be a mini Trump and please help the cause folks, for our future or we may be fucked.
The ironic part, is we aren't "tribal" enough. We like to remain free and private people. To fight this shit, we need to pretty much form an equal but opposing force. We have to have our own narratives and agendas, just for survival. Becoming what we hate. "Democracy" and mob rule is stripping down the individual and their freedoms. We can form united fronts, but we are going to end up being less private to be more involved in our communities as it were. Which I am fine with, but you have to convince others to use their freedoms to act in a manor that also preserves that freedom. This is the tricky part, but I can see some of the makings here, so there is hope.
The gun was used as an example prop in court by the wife, who is also a criminal defense attorney. To enter the court building, is has to be rendered safe and not able to fire. They never set it back to be able to fire, presumably either out of either need to use it again later, or just not bothering too since they had at least 1 other gun and she is clearly not well trained to use it.
The DA ordered it to be disassembled and examined to see if it could fire (which it couldn't at the time), then ordered is reassembled in firing configuration to be able to claim it was capable of being used at the time. Because it COULD be reassembled in a way to work with no extra parts, the DA is basically now claiming it WAS ready to use. It's like if I had a car with a bad starter because the ground strap wasn't attached, then the DA ordered it repaired while accusing me of driving recklessly. The DA then charges me with tampering with evidence because the car that wouldn't run at the time of the supposed crime "was clearly repairable with no extra parts!"
If i were the DA, I would argue that they knew she brandished the weapon when she flagged the trespassers with her finger on the trigger and subsequently removed the firing pin to negate the charge... but that's a hell of a thing to prove after the fact
The McCloskeys were in court Tuesday, but the case was pushed back a week because the grand jury had not rendered a decision on whether or not to indict them.
Didn't the police tamper with the weapon? It was my understanding that the wifes pistol was inoperable, so they fixed it to say she was going to kill someone. And if you stomp into my yard and threaten to burn my house down, that is you requesting to be shot, not a protest.
The police were asked to and refused. One of the DAs assistants actually reassembled it. Was my understanding when this came to light. Additional details may have emerged. I haven’t kept up with it.
I wonder if this state has a similar concept to operating under color of law, where you're abusing your position in law enforcement to commit illegal acts while pretending to uphold the law.
They are apparently claiming that the McCloskey's "tampered" with that pistol by reversing the firing pin, making it inoperable so they could use it as a court prop. The prosecution then asked the police to fix this so they could charge them with two firearm violations. The police refused, so the DA had some private gunsmith fix the gun.
You know why? They're upset that they got caught and they got burned tampering with the weapon themselves.
When this went down, I predicted they would pull the firing pins before handing the guns to their lawyer. They did something similar, they disabled the firing pin by putting the spring in the wrong place.
The corrupt DA and forensic detective goons took it apart, assembled it in working order, and then lied about it. And they're going to get their asses sued.
Sadly, a Soros DA doesn't give a damn because the lawsuit money will come out of the government coffers and they will continue to screw people over to the bitter end. They know that no matter how much it costs the city, Soros will come back and fund their campaign again.
Guarantee he documented (probably video), himself disassembling it to show that the spring was forward of the pin instead of behind. Or at least he recorded himself demonstrating that the pistol was disabled, by cocking it and pulling the trigger with no click.
Don't get me wrong though. I don't believe for a second that pistol was not in working order when the lynch mob broke on to their property.
What we believe should have no bearing on the legality of it. An interesting case is RA from Michigan where she was a prohibited possessor who pulled a nonworking (unloaded i believe) firearm on a person robbing her. It had to get appealed but she won her case as they ruled it wasnt a lethal tool, which made brandishing it different than if it were functioning.
I agree, none of this should be an issue. The law is clearly on their side. The law also says it's illegal for Hillary to use a secret server to send classified documents to her pedophile friends.
Actually the handgun had been intentionally disabled by the McCloskey's because it had been used in a previous case as a prop in court. That's why the wife was swinging it around with her finger on the trigger (even though she still shouldn't have): it wasn't capable of firing.
So they DA must be claiming they made this change just before handing the gun over instead of when they said they did it. I would assume what the McCloskey's said could be easily verified by the court where it was used as a prop.
The entire reason behind this charge is because the DA got caught red-handed by her own crime lab, tampering with the gun and re-assembling it as a functioning firearm, despite it not being confiscated in that condition.
She's attempting to muddy the water to distract people from her own unethical, and possibly criminal, act.
I'm familiar with their story, sure. And I don't believe it.
The government has no evidence to contradict their claim. So, good for them. It was a slick move. The detectives fucked up when they tampered with the gun to make it functional.
I can also use logic and reason like a grown up. The fact that they disabled the gun to use it as a prop, means they knew how it's intended to be assembled to function properly. And they'd have to have been morons to face a violent screeching lynch mob with a toy prop. I don't think they're morons.
Eh, he was right there next to her with a functional rifle, and I don't think they expected to have to actually use them. It was just a show of force capability.
St.Louis is a blight on an otherwise nice State. Chiraq brand corruption and violence in spades.
Perfect example being St.Louis AG who is under two separate investigations for corruption. One corruption incident which resulted in the resignation of the State Governor.
Civil rights lawyers if I remember correctly. So they have been charged for protesting a protest while openly carrying guns that don't work on their own private property? That is like opening a Wonka bar, and finding the last golden ticket!
Tampering with a weapon? From what I remember reading when the authorities disassembled and inspected the weapons the wife’s gun was assembled incorrectly and never would have fired. Then when they reassembled them the gun was able to fire. What bullshit.
Tampering with a weapon? I thought they made it nonfunctional and the DA was caught trying to tamper with the evidence to make it in working order again.
so they should sue the DA for malicious prosecution or some bullshit idk i’m just a bird lawyer but this seems uhh to use a technical term like a load a horseshit!
prove? PROVE? .... you think they care about proving the crime they charge them with.... lol They are leftists, not bakers. They dont prove shit, they just drag republicans through the mud and hope they commit suicide.
They're lawyers, why haven't they filed counter charges against the d/a for harrassment, tampering with evidence, incitement to riot? The proof is their guns were modified by the crime techs under the direction of the D/A, those riots, are on their property, which are counter-intuitive, the entire case is harassment.
Indicted? At a protest? The protest came to their front door. The fence was kicked in. That is self defense. Who the fuck thinks they are gonna get charges to stick? The Prosecuting attorney there has to be the dumbest fucking lawyer ever.
they werent in a public street protesting, they broke through an iron gate to get access to the private street and stand on the McCloskeys yard threatening them. Of the nine "protesters" that were charged with something, trespassing i believe, all charges were dropped.
They want us to think we shouldn't defend ourselves. And, indeed,it's worked on a few here who can be relied on to remind us what could happen if we dare defend ourselves, our family, or our property. Bullbleep to that!
No protecting yourself With guns you’re white. This is why they want to take them away. They want our land and business just like they did to South Africa. Corona shut down tons of white businesses. They planned for the blue states to turn around and reopen these businesses for the minority community with help from the federal government. Looks like that plan didn’t quite pan out. The homes are the next phase. Soon our jobs. You can see bits of it slowly showing in the demands of the protestors. If we don’t hold this back now, it’s over. Thank You President Trump.
This is the state of our country. You can't prove you were in fear for your life unless you kill someone. Hell, even if you have footage of a mob in the act of trying to kill you, you'll still go to jail if you defend yourself.
Selective prosecution is the biggest crock of horse shit in these democrat run hell-holes. No charges for rioting, looting, burning. But if you defend yourself, you can bet your ass they'll seek the maximum penalty possible.
Bullshit. It was their fucking house, not a fucking protest.
Tampering with a weapon? That is made up. It is their property.
These charges are garbage.
the "protestors" should ALL be charged with trespassing.
Soros DA only charges political opponents. Sorry!
They need to be swinging by a rope for that.
Soros knew this for years. I've been upset about this for about the 2 years I knew. Who knew how long it's been going on.
Examined by an executioner's axe.
I am a republican and I did not know this until now. Normally we become informed when a government worker does wrong. That no longer happens.
Edit: Republicans are now convicted and dems go free. Never thought in my lifetime I would see what is happening in plain view
They were charged with various things. It was all dropped.
The process is the punishment. Pure lawfare. It doesn't matter what the outcome is, the DA wins. It's all designed to fuck with you. The McCloskeys will spend more than the what the average American makes in a year, and they will Drag this out. Meanwhile, it's just a Tuesday for the DA, they are getting paid to fuck with your life and deplete your resources. If this was an average person, you would be railroaded and fucked.
We'd feel better if our side more often planned what to do about it together, helped each other, etc. We supposedly have all these strong professional people, but we need more leaders. Be a mini Trump and please help the cause folks, for our future or we may be fucked.
The ironic part, is we aren't "tribal" enough. We like to remain free and private people. To fight this shit, we need to pretty much form an equal but opposing force. We have to have our own narratives and agendas, just for survival. Becoming what we hate. "Democracy" and mob rule is stripping down the individual and their freedoms. We can form united fronts, but we are going to end up being less private to be more involved in our communities as it were. Which I am fine with, but you have to convince others to use their freedoms to act in a manor that also preserves that freedom. This is the tricky part, but I can see some of the makings here, so there is hope.
That reminds me, I need to join the pound boys.
There doesn't seem to be any group around here and I don't have the time/connections to start one.
Join anyway, pay dues to help
Only professionals needed here are professional killers
I tamper with my firearm all the time. It's called cocking it and putting one in the chamber.
The crazy thing is, it was tampered in a way TO NOT FIRE. Then the prosecutors tampered with the evidence
The wrong people are getting a tampering charge
Honest question: why would they tamper it to not fire in the first place?
The gun was used as an example prop in court by the wife, who is also a criminal defense attorney. To enter the court building, is has to be rendered safe and not able to fire. They never set it back to be able to fire, presumably either out of either need to use it again later, or just not bothering too since they had at least 1 other gun and she is clearly not well trained to use it.
The DA ordered it to be disassembled and examined to see if it could fire (which it couldn't at the time), then ordered is reassembled in firing configuration to be able to claim it was capable of being used at the time. Because it COULD be reassembled in a way to work with no extra parts, the DA is basically now claiming it WAS ready to use. It's like if I had a car with a bad starter because the ground strap wasn't attached, then the DA ordered it repaired while accusing me of driving recklessly. The DA then charges me with tampering with evidence because the car that wouldn't run at the time of the supposed crime "was clearly repairable with no extra parts!"
Thank you for the explanation pede!
If i were the DA, I would argue that they knew she brandished the weapon when she flagged the trespassers with her finger on the trigger and subsequently removed the firing pin to negate the charge... but that's a hell of a thing to prove after the fact
One of my favorite things to do is tamper with my guns. Adding optics is the most expensive tampering I was guilty of just last week.
Had I known tinkering was illegal I could have saved so much money.
Bet these assholes have no problem bitching at Apple for wanting to void warranties for jail breaking.
No idea if that analogy works btw.
Malicious prosecution. DA who brought charges should be immediately disbarred and indicted on conspiracy to deprive citizens of their rights.
Agree. However, there is no Justice for dems
Bullshit indeed:
Maybe the grand jury can put an end to it before it even begins.
Didn't the police tamper with the weapon? It was my understanding that the wifes pistol was inoperable, so they fixed it to say she was going to kill someone. And if you stomp into my yard and threaten to burn my house down, that is you requesting to be shot, not a protest.
The police were asked to and refused. One of the DAs assistants actually reassembled it. Was my understanding when this came to light. Additional details may have emerged. I haven’t kept up with it.
I wonder if this state has a similar concept to operating under color of law, where you're abusing your position in law enforcement to commit illegal acts while pretending to uphold the law.
They are apparently claiming that the McCloskey's "tampered" with that pistol by reversing the firing pin, making it inoperable so they could use it as a court prop. The prosecution then asked the police to fix this so they could charge them with two firearm violations. The police refused, so the DA had some private gunsmith fix the gun.
So the DA knows exactly when the gun was rendered inoperable, eh? What a crock of shit
Yes, and it was several weeks if not months before the "protest".
lol "tampering with a weapon".
You know why? They're upset that they got caught and they got burned tampering with the weapon themselves.
When this went down, I predicted they would pull the firing pins before handing the guns to their lawyer. They did something similar, they disabled the firing pin by putting the spring in the wrong place.
The corrupt DA and forensic detective goons took it apart, assembled it in working order, and then lied about it. And they're going to get their asses sued.
Did you see the McCloskey's house? Bad lawyers don't live in houses like that, when they sue they will win.
Sadly, a Soros DA doesn't give a damn because the lawsuit money will come out of the government coffers and they will continue to screw people over to the bitter end. They know that no matter how much it costs the city, Soros will come back and fund their campaign again.
I wonder how they know when the firing pin/ spring were changed
They gave it to their lawyer first.
Guarantee he documented (probably video), himself disassembling it to show that the spring was forward of the pin instead of behind. Or at least he recorded himself demonstrating that the pistol was disabled, by cocking it and pulling the trigger with no click.
Don't get me wrong though. I don't believe for a second that pistol was not in working order when the lynch mob broke on to their property.
What we believe should have no bearing on the legality of it. An interesting case is RA from Michigan where she was a prohibited possessor who pulled a nonworking (unloaded i believe) firearm on a person robbing her. It had to get appealed but she won her case as they ruled it wasnt a lethal tool, which made brandishing it different than if it were functioning.
I agree, none of this should be an issue. The law is clearly on their side. The law also says it's illegal for Hillary to use a secret server to send classified documents to her pedophile friends.
WERE THEY WEARING SHOES WHILE DEFENDING THEIR PROPERTY FROM VIOLENT MOB OR NOT?
Exactly. It's just as irrelevant, as they had every right to protect their home.
Actually the handgun had been intentionally disabled by the McCloskey's because it had been used in a previous case as a prop in court. That's why the wife was swinging it around with her finger on the trigger (even though she still shouldn't have): it wasn't capable of firing.
So they DA must be claiming they made this change just before handing the gun over instead of when they said they did it. I would assume what the McCloskey's said could be easily verified by the court where it was used as a prop.
The entire reason behind this charge is because the DA got caught red-handed by her own crime lab, tampering with the gun and re-assembling it as a functioning firearm, despite it not being confiscated in that condition.
She's attempting to muddy the water to distract people from her own unethical, and possibly criminal, act.
I'm familiar with their story, sure. And I don't believe it.
The government has no evidence to contradict their claim. So, good for them. It was a slick move. The detectives fucked up when they tampered with the gun to make it functional.
You can believe in pink pixies, not relevant.
I can also use logic and reason like a grown up. The fact that they disabled the gun to use it as a prop, means they knew how it's intended to be assembled to function properly. And they'd have to have been morons to face a violent screeching lynch mob with a toy prop. I don't think they're morons.
I agree it's not relevant. That's what I said.
The woman was obviously untrained, I suspect her husband gave her a non-functional gun so she wouldn't ND into something.
Any husband who gives his wife a disabled toy prop to defend herself against a lynch mob, isn't worth shit.
IMHO
Eh, he was right there next to her with a functional rifle, and I don't think they expected to have to actually use them. It was just a show of force capability.
"Always accuse your enemy of doing the thing you youraelf are doing." It's their go-to.
Didn’t the AG say he wouldn’t let this happen? And where is the governor?
Get ACB confirmed ASAP
St.Louis is a blight on an otherwise nice State. Chiraq brand corruption and violence in spades.
Perfect example being St.Louis AG who is under two separate investigations for corruption. One corruption incident which resulted in the resignation of the State Governor.
"St.Louis is a blight on an otherwise nice State"
We could say this about almost every city with more than 50,000 people in the country
States should run the cities instead of the other way around. Make states use an electoral college. That's how Jefferson would have wanted it.
I agree with states instituting some kind of electoral representation also.
They'll go scott free, but it'll cost them money to do so.
Sad
They are lawyers, and judging by their house damn good ones at that, they'll recoup the money spent on their defense.
Civil rights lawyers if I remember correctly. So they have been charged for protesting a protest while openly carrying guns that don't work on their own private property? That is like opening a Wonka bar, and finding the last golden ticket!
Yes but having to pay that is rediculous
Well yeah, the entire case is ridiculous.
The Soros funded bitch should be locked up for attempting this
they will undoubtabally sue the shit out of the city if the tampering with the weapon claim is true.
They excel at sueing ppl too lol
Those are some 'Fuck you, because I can' charges if I've ever seen them.
That DA needs to be disbarred.
And shot for costing the taxpayers millions of dollars on a unwinnable case.
Tampering with a weapon? From what I remember reading when the authorities disassembled and inspected the weapons the wife’s gun was assembled incorrectly and never would have fired. Then when they reassembled them the gun was able to fire. What bullshit.
The protest was on their private property; the fuckers were trespassing after B&E.
Fucking clown world.
Tampering with a weapon...to make it non-useable. This is clown charges
Why is tampering with a weapon even a crime?
democrats.
Should have opened fire on all of them the second they broke down the gate.
YUP
The time is near.
how do you peacefully protest after breaking onto private property?
didn't one of the 'protestors' have a gun?
you dont.
no idea. But if it was a protestor there is near 0% chance they would charge them
Call me a glowie. IDGAF. War is hot.
Lock and load, motherfuckers.
Yep.
Does indicted mean they are convicted and must pay a fine? Is there an appeals process if they don’t agree? Why not as rich lawyers?
Remember the DA is a black piece of shit
Tampering with a weapon? I thought they made it nonfunctional and the DA was caught trying to tamper with the evidence to make it in working order again.
so they should sue the DA for malicious prosecution or some bullshit idk i’m just a bird lawyer but this seems uhh to use a technical term like a load a horseshit!
prove? PROVE? .... you think they care about proving the crime they charge them with.... lol They are leftists, not bakers. They dont prove shit, they just drag republicans through the mud and hope they commit suicide.
The ball sack eye owned prosecutor is angry that the handgun was in a non-firing condition...
Can we come into your house and peaceful protest?
They're lawyers, why haven't they filed counter charges against the d/a for harrassment, tampering with evidence, incitement to riot? The proof is their guns were modified by the crime techs under the direction of the D/A, those riots, are on their property, which are counter-intuitive, the entire case is harassment.
Tampering with the gun by police is actually tampering with evidence. They’re screwed.
Indicted? At a protest? The protest came to their front door. The fence was kicked in. That is self defense. Who the fuck thinks they are gonna get charges to stick? The Prosecuting attorney there has to be the dumbest fucking lawyer ever.
they werent in a public street protesting, they broke through an iron gate to get access to the private street and stand on the McCloskeys yard threatening them. Of the nine "protesters" that were charged with something, trespassing i believe, all charges were dropped.
Tyranny!! IT'S THEIR FUCKING HOUSE, THEIR PROPERTY
GOVERNOR PARSON YOU MUST PARDON IMMEDIATELY!
Spez: Holy shit, he actually did! A republican with balls, what do you know!
They want the mob to be able to kill you. No guns or police to protect you. I don't even understand how it's gotten this far....
They want us to think we shouldn't defend ourselves. And, indeed,it's worked on a few here who can be relied on to remind us what could happen if we dare defend ourselves, our family, or our property. Bullbleep to that!
No protecting yourself With guns you’re white. This is why they want to take them away. They want our land and business just like they did to South Africa. Corona shut down tons of white businesses. They planned for the blue states to turn around and reopen these businesses for the minority community with help from the federal government. Looks like that plan didn’t quite pan out. The homes are the next phase. Soon our jobs. You can see bits of it slowly showing in the demands of the protestors. If we don’t hold this back now, it’s over. Thank You President Trump.
This is the state of our country. You can't prove you were in fear for your life unless you kill someone. Hell, even if you have footage of a mob in the act of trying to kill you, you'll still go to jail if you defend yourself.
Garbage charges from a garbage PA
Selective prosecution is the biggest crock of horse shit in these democrat run hell-holes. No charges for rioting, looting, burning. But if you defend yourself, you can bet your ass they'll seek the maximum penalty possible.
Locking and loading intensifies
Exhibiting guns at protests lol these people I swear.
At this point, he should have greased a bunch of them and go to jail for a good reason.
That’s why when the law shows up, they get to make a choice: arrest the protestors breaking the law, or try me.
I hope the mcklowsky's sue the state for political persecution
This is absurd... there's VIDEO FOOTAGE of vermin threatening them, how can this possibly happen?
What a farce.
Getting in trouble with the law because you couldn't have shot someone is a new one
This guy is going to end up owning half of St Louis when the dust settles.
These sound like non crimes