I was looking today. There's one liberal judge who is 82. Maybe he will retire soon. Thomas and Alito should also consider retiring if Trump wins so we can get young conservatives in there. We need 50 years to undo the past 50 years of beatdowns.
Since when do they care what the US Constitution says? RBG openly scoffed at it. And apparently John Roberts decided his hatred for DJT is more important than his love for the Constitution.
There's a proverb, as long as it takes to build something, is about as long as it takes to destroy it.
This cancerous corruption of the Deep State/Globalists/Swamp, went on for so long! So long!
I get people are tired, and want it to end immediately. But we have to be strong, believe in Trump.
But if you want an uplifting opinion - as Trump says, Ahead of Schedule and Under Budget. 50 years to destroy America? Give Trump 4-5+ years to rebuild it. :P
From the description of their mansion and furnishings I see they must be pretty good at making sure they win in court. Sure, a man that represents himself has a fool for a lawyer but I'll bet he's got some hotshot lawyer buddies that would love to pro bono to further their career. Whomever represents them will certainly make a name for themselves if they aren't already known.
DebbieinDallas said: Your envy is showing. The point is that they should never have been charged in the first place. Not whether or not they could afford representation
Huh what? No shit they shouldn't have been charged. Really. Everyone in this thread and on TDW knows that. What does envy have to do with it? Did you see the sentence I was referring to?
HotRoastedNuts wrote: ...probably cost the McCloskey's every dime they have
Forget expanded gun laws, large IRS ammo purchases, current shortages, etc.
THIS is now de facto gun control.
We're even beyond spending $100k to defend yourself when you shoot a piece of shit breaking into your house. We're now talking about people being arrested holding guns outside of, or in the case of Milwaukee, INSIDE their homes.
Want to clean your shotgun on the front porch after a day of duck hunting? Better clear that with your attorney first because some fuckstick Karen might call SWAT and ask for the MRAV.
Those defending their home or persons should never be taken in to sit in a holding tank alongside genuine criminal scum.
I feel it's more of the banana republic rules. When the rules of man is used instead of the rules of law, you let your faves get away with murder, while you murder anyone who makes you look bad. The end result is that everything is backwards, and there is no justice.
This is exactly how communism worked. Everything is reversed. You are a hard working person earning what you've built over decades? You are oppressive scum. You are a literal murderer and rapist for ideological reasons? You are a victim of society. Said murderer kills hard working person? Poor guy, why did society force him to do that? Society is to blame!
I really don't like that term. The selective application of the law (the discriminatory application of the law - aka not applying it to certain groups, but to others) is just regular tyranny.
Don't make up a new word for something that already exists and has a name and a definition. It's Marxism. It's communism. It's tyranny. Rebranding "tyranny" is pointless.
Nope, that won't be a signal because it won't happen. Developers and admins have that figured out, planned from day 1. Neither will POTUS be giving any go signal.
I've got a list started, but I quit maintaining it at least 6 months ago. There are literally too many assholes and I was spending all day noting their ignorance.
Its easy, just find anyone who accepted donations from a soros group. Thats the list. All are traitors and should be executed for treason against the nation.
I'd say they deserve it at that point. Just like all the White people in major cities who have had their lives disrupted or ended by extreme lockdowns, race riots, and restrained police forces.
I don't even understand the legal justification here. I am by no means a lawyer, but what are they in trouble for? Is it not legal to defend themselves?
Unfortunately too many Biden signs around now and more coming out every day. Especially in Ladue South....I mean Kirkwood.
Honestly I'm not sure Wagner's seat is safe. The Biden signs in my neighborhood are in front of houses that turned over in the last 4 years. We went from being the youngest on our street in our late 30's to now the oldest in our 40's as the neighborhood as turned over.
He's already spoken out against the treatment they've been getting.
This case is still at the state level. Trump and his DOJ can't do a damn thing.
All he can do is say how horrible it is and just hope it ends in favor of the couple.
One thing Trump red-pilled me on, was the fact that he as POTUS has very little rights when it comes to state-level shit. It just proves how much Obama overreached his power while he was POTUS. The man sent feds to shut down shit that should have been handled by the state. Reporters were jailed and people were thrown in prison for protesting. Not a peep from the MSM about it.
As much as I would love Trump to do something, I know that he can't. As soon as he oversteps his boundaries, the left will attack him nonstop for being a "Tyrant".
Tampering of evidence might be that the handgun was seized in a non-firing configuration which will be impossible to prove it was disabled after the incident occurred.
Yes it sucks! Trump sadly has no power here. The McCloskeys will probably win, if not it will go to the supreme court. If it will not hold in the supreme court the country is dead. Trump can pardon them, but that's about it.
The people that indicted them should be hung for treason. How can you endict victims of a crime for exerting their constitutional rights, which resulted in no one getting hurt?
“Stand your ground. Don't fire unless fired upon, but if they mean to have a war, let it begin here." —Captain John Parker at Lexington Green, April 19, 1775
Fuck that noise. If you're too weak to be a hero, that's on YOU. Nobody else. We've all been looking over the situation, wondering if it's worth the bloodbath it will take to effect change. In the 80's and 90's it wasn't. Since the "post 9/11 world" it's been hard to make sense out of, but we've lost so much. Now globalists are out in the open, and only a few people here are still asleep to it, so we've got much more significant numbers than anytime in the last 30 years. We'll get one night to act, before military deploys. They need to have a clear "mandate of the people;" the only good Marxist is a dead Marxist, and US will never be a socialist Country.
Youre spot on. We didnt do jackshit when Obama and his doofus "wife" and Joe Biden won the election not once but twice. The left has the entire entertainment industry, The retail industry, and Hollywood held hostage. Nothing is going to change unless conservatives come together under the same numbers and put that same level of fear into society where everyone panders to them with their fake ass gas lighting. Conservatives are just too nice and "proper". In a couple decades, Probably half of the country is going to be an extended California.
Here's the problem, they continue to get away with it.
Where the fuck you at Barr? He obviously can't be relied on, it's time the people start taking action. We should be protesting in the streets over this. The left protests for rapists and pedophiles who get shot for attacking the police - it's time the right starts gathering in the streets. It's one thing the left tends to do better than us. That being said, it's easier to protest when the mainstream media will cover up for your bad actors and spread your message positively
The VA 2A rally on 1/20 proves that the time for peaceful protest is long past. What do you really think will be accomplished like that? It will take much more
Barr is a bureaucrat. Bureaucrats have openly stated - by way of DHS and the DoJ/FBI - that people who desire small, limited government are "white supremacists".
You are literally guilty of being a "white supreme" by believing in what the founders of this country believed in. Bureaucrats will never, ever cede power once they have it in case anyone is still wondering. Anyone that is a threat is jailed for process crimes or whatever other bullshit they cook up.
“Every single human being that was in front of my house was a criminal trespasser. They broke down our gate. They trespassed on our property. Not a single one of those people is now charged with anything. We’re charged with felonies that could cost us four years of our lives and our law licenses,"
Amazing how a felon with an illegally obtained gun is allowed to walk free while a kid who defended himself from said felon is sitting in jail right now.
I’ve seen conflicting statements on that, nothing definitive. Lefty may have been arrested/charged with a felony then either not successfully prosecuted or pled down to a lesser charge. Of course our media doesn’t do basic homework on this aspect of an important story.
Mitch's never-Trump senate cunts .. Trump didn't have a choice in AG that could be confirmed by fuckers like Collins, Murkowski, Rubio, Gardner, and about 8 others.
The Turtle has more power that Trump with appointees that need senate confrimation.
THIS. This very thing is where the DOJ is supposed to go in and clean house. It's been done many times over the decades -- until now.
I'm getting to the point where I just want the President to fire Barr right now and to hell with waiting until after the election. Fire Wray too, of course.
1st amendment free speech rights go away once intimidation is involved. Intimidation was involved, and any reasonable person would fear for their life or severe bodily injury since 5/26, in any situation even remotely resembling this.
A crowd that big that close to your house can't be controlled by two shooters, not unless they all ran away which you can't count on. We need to have a serious discussion with our LEOs about these circumstances, and how to enforce the law. They shouldn't be allowed free reign like that. And a sniper in the bushes could've opened fire as soon as the crowd passed the gate.
They had an emergency legislative session in Virginia to pass a law to make any white person who calls 9-11 on a non-white person liable for a "hate crime", and prison time. White people should think twice before calling 9-11 now.
I'll be honest, they pushed through over a thousand leftist laws this year to destroy our state. I lost track of this one. They may have rolled it into the upcoming "police reform" bill.
In Greece too...
Only problem is that the illigals get UN lawers as defence attorneys.
They can't have them go to prison, they need them to move into Europe for destabilization.
waste of tax payer money...we REALLY need to organize and make examples outta these DAs and other elected people that are in Soros's pocket...raise money and get them out of office
He may not be. He may be in juvenile detention. They may be transferring him back and forth, so the angry mob never knows where he is. He's much safer like that than he would be at home.
But I do get your point, and agree. This single issue would merit war. How many issues are that serious? Oodles. Simultaneously.
Wife pointed her little gun at people, even if she wasn't aiming it. And she did so with her finger on the trigger. The only way that makes any sense is if it was a prop, unable to be fired. We'll never know the truth of that claim and neither will a jury. If the standard is "beyond a reasonable doubt," they'll have a very hard time meeting that to convict.
Mr never pointed his gun at anybody. I don't know how that compares to the crime of brandishing, but many here suggest it's legal.
Brandishing is a bullshit charge in the first place. Since when is it reasonable to punish people for not shooting someone? "Oh noes, it wuz scawy." Go to hell! First of all, that's the whole goddamn point of a threat display (which is an attempt to avoid violence, and in this case was clearly effective), and second, the Constitution wasn't established to protect our fucking feelings. What's next, arresting people because their dogs barked at a burglar?
I would love to see the case won based on this. The other option is everyone shoots every rioter threatening their neighborhood, which I've seen less of rioters going into decent neighborhoods so I think they're looking at it that way too.
But tackling the brandishing issue via "yeah, so?" May not be the best legal defense.
It depends on the state you live in. You should ask a competent lawyer before deciding.
I don't know Missouri law, but in my state it is expressly legal to display a weapon, with the intent to use it if necessary. In fact, the law sets a lower threshold for threatening use of a weapon than actually using it. Displaying a weapon is considered "force". Firing a weapon is considered "deadly force".
In my state, use of force (but not deadly force) is legal if you *reasonably believe the force is immediately necessary to prevent or terminate the other's trespass on the land".
Fire a warning shot? No, because depending on the circumstances, that could be considered felony "deadly conduct".
According to what has been reported, the McCloskeys would have been well within the boundaries of the law in my state, since the others were clearly trespassing.
But, I don't know the reason for the charge of "tampering with evidence". The handgun she held was inoperable, as the firing pin has been put in backwards. The crime lab documented that they found it that way, and reassembled it correctly. The McCloskey's attorney said that was intentional, as they used the gun as a prop in a court case, and had to disable it. Perhaps the DA is trying to force them to prove it in court?
"Tampering with evidence" would mean they switched the operable firing pin after the event, to make it inoperable. The State has the burden of proof here, not the McCloskeys. Hopefully the burden of proof is "beyond a reasonable doubt."
Yes, I wasn't clear: the DA might be trying to force them to prove it. But as you point out, the burden of proof is on the prosecution, not the defense. If there's a record of them using the gun as a prop in court, that disposes of the issue.
But someone has already posted: the MO governor is planning to pardon both of them and end this travesty:
If my own elderly and disabled mother (who warned the evil doers would be coming after her and/or my sister, to get to me, in the weeks after G.Floyd riots); and 3 weeks her prescience, in Mid-June over a dozen armed officers came to do an anonymous "senior welfare check", threatened to breakdown the door, and arrest us, without warrants. They kidnapped her from her property, held her for 17 days, tortured her, starved her, thirsted her, violated dozens of laws/rights, she looked like a Holocaust survivor when they finally let her leave.
If my mom can still hold restraint against these evil forces, and put up with being tortured, than you can too. As she said, for 3 weeks prior to her kidnapping/abduction; DO NOT LET THEM FORCE YOUR ACTIONS, that is what they are trying to do. They even had one officer who's whole job was to stand in the neighbors front yard with a video camera and record the whole thing, them trying to be like CNN at Roger Stone's house.
If you use violence, you're just injuring random "following orders" types, who maybe have nothing to do with anything (like our Patriots whom volunteer after say 9/11 get sent halfway around the world to be ground up; it solves two problems for the evil doers--you and the random patriot ordered to go knocking on your door get put into a situation that can end badly.)
So after a half century, she finally authorized evacuation, after she votes. This is on top of the Commies cutting the water off for 21 months now (yes to all those around the world, this is a sub-urban house worth over Half-mil, without running water in the USA, home for over 50 years, bc the commies and corruption is very real). In addition halfway across the country, Grandma has been kidnapped/abducted unlawfully since last Oct. Now how many people do you know who will hold-the-line like this?
The FIB is supposed to be the ones to investigate these local corruptions, but the local office is too much on a first name basis with the local agencies doing the evil.
Even the local media stations wouldn't even cover it at all.
Liberty vs Marxism. Good vs Evil. This is where we are at (again) in U.S. & World history.
Two things all Pedes should understand in this LIberty vs Marxism:
Totally a coincidence if after bringing attention to corruption, unconstitutional issues, fighting the Marxists & swamp, that powers of gov like: Child Protective Services, Adult Protective Services, Red-Flags, Medical Holds, or anonymous tips "S.W.A.T.'ing" occur upon you or members of your family... being forcefully removed/arrested, tortured, etc. In addition to damage to your property, vehicles, biz, Name/reputation, files/computers, gov contracts/services, etc.
Don't be paranoid, but be smart. It's not just B. Parscale or all the names in the news, for every headline there's a hundred more, that the media wont write about.
Like the signers on the Declaration of Indepenence, no cowards; as standing up to evil is putting your wealth, name, and life/health (and that of your family) in harms way by the evil Marxists and their swampy allies.
MAGA On! DRAIN THE SWAMP! Choose Liberty over Marxism.
I can't get the gist of what you're saying because of poor writing. I take it English is not your primary language? We can suss this out; it's worth the effort.
Media only reports on stories they think reflect badly on GEOTUS, or that they are forced to "spin" because popularity before being memoryholed. So like Flynn, Stone, Kyle, McCloskeys, B. Parscale, etc. For every story that makes a "headline", there are another hundred that does not, that the media wont cover at all.
Yes, there is a sustained effort to "S.W.A.T." or use other local gov force upon those Repubicans (like Child Protective Services if you have kids in home; or Elder Protective Services if you have an older member at home, etc.) those Republicans whom the lefties & swamp consider to be the most vocal/opposed to their corruption or Marxist movement, and fighting their Dem election fraud.
Even my own elderly/disabled mother was kidnapped/abducted by 2 detectives, 2 sgts, 9+ deputies, (and more) aka a small army, without warrant. An "anonymous tip" to do a elder welfare check. Do you think the County rolls over a dozen officers in 3+ vehicles, with pre-staged video cameras, and exposing her to Covid, etc. instead of having the a person from say County HHS dept call my cell phone?
Mom was kidnapped for 17 days of torture/starvation/thirst/medicine lost like 15 lbs; and looked like a Holocaust survivior with sunken eyes, bones afterwards, without any judge or legal proceding or paperwork, etc.
The F.B.I. is supposed to be the one who keeps on top of these local/State agency violations of the Constitution, but the FIB swamp hasn't been drained yet; and in many ways is on a first name basis with those committing such unconstitutional actions.
In many cases, like watching B. Parscale video, it's all the same "trap" used.
In responding to the comment above, patience and don't let them provoke to get the video (or violence) they want.
That yes people like Kyle are detained unjustly, or Flynn, or Stone, or all the rest; and even my mother; and the thousands more out there across the land.
Republicans are being detained, without on bogus/garbage "Probable Cause", or without warrant. While in other towns, lefties are committing major crimes and free to go.
Things they use, include staged "anonymous tips", or getting a member of the household/neighbor to "flip/partake" like the STASI (or watch B. Parscale video(s).
With the goal of getting access to files or planting evidence, or putting a person under duress long enough to keep them from participating in this election cycle. Even without a bench order, or defense atty, it often puts someone under silence because of the heat raining down on them. Or just in general putting their life and their family under stress, removing associates/friends, economic/cash crunch, etc. They'll keep ramping up the stress, until the target is effectively removed from the table.
Hold the Line, Discipline. So instead of people calling to arms online, there are real world people suffering whom still haven't been broken by the evil commies, like Songbird at Hanoi Hilton. Stay Strong, be wise.
Trying to make an example of a citizen exercising his 2nd amendment rights. Get this to the supreme court and then overrule all unconstitutional gun laws. Open up the entire country to national carry. If the Kyle Rittenhouse situation and the McCloskeys have taught us anything is that guns are effective against a violent mob.
That guy in Milwaukee wouldn't be charged had he fired. McCloskeys could've had a sniper in the bushes open fire as soon as the crowd passed the gate.
We all need to be discussing the reasonable fear with our local Police Chiefs and County Sheriff. Even just 20 people, 40' from your house you're not going to repel them with two perfect shooters. Only if they all run away, which is not guaranteed. They need to be enforcing the laws based on intimidation, not some bs distinction between public vs private property.
I really am feeling it. I don't trust the system under democrats, we aren't gong to get a fair shot and we'll be imprisoned. Might as well go down fighting. That's how I'm feeling about it, I can only imagine how others are feeling.
I've been killdozer pissed since March. At least 95% of deaths from CCPvirus were preventable. And they're not done mass murdering us. Plannedriots haven't really taken their toll yet, but you see where they're going. And you are 100% right, Governors, Mayors are guilty. We all need lists.
I bet it hasn’t. Their liberal neighbors suggested the trespassers shouldn’t be charged and they condemned the McCloskeys for brandishing their guns. My liberal STL “friends” are still liberal and stupid as fuck.
The charges were dropped on the rioters, which allowed them to lie to the grand jury. if they had pending charges they wouldn't have been allowed to "testify" in front of a grand jury. The prosecutor(s) are responsible for this miscarriage of justice, and they allowed perjury to be presented as evidence.
They're getting indicted so that YOU will be afraid to stand up to the mob. They don't even need to get convicted of anything; the cost of going to trial is enough to ruin almost everyone, and Soros bought the DA so he controls who gets indicted. There is no response too extreme to this tyranny.
I would say Derek Chauvins case is equally important too (who is innocent). Once people are convicted to fit a SJW narrative (despite the facts) justice is over in this country.
"Justice" hasn't existed in the US for many decades. Chauvin's case is in no way comparable to Kyle, McCloskeys, or Sandmann. Chauvin's problem is would a reasonable person have kept that hold for almost 9 minutes even after GF passed out and maybe died? He had lots of options. That will be an interesting case.
It’s pretty cut and dried. Chauvin is 100% innocent, and is being prosecuted for political reasons. He was following standard training/procedure and wasn’t the cause of George Floyd’s death in any way (overdose)
It’s totally comparable to those other cases in of its importance to the modern culture and our freedoms
Yes, this is the right response. Democrats have no concept of universality until it stares them in the face.
Had tds friends talking about how dems should definitely pack the supreme court. I'm like "play that out. Gop will just add 27 justices.. there's no end to that strategy".
This country is going into the shitter at light speed. If Trump loses in November, I dunno anymore man. Just find a nice quiet plot of land and work remotely. I can't stand living next to these destructive nihilists roaming the streets and tearing down civilization and a partisan legal system excusing them
My question is at what point CAN you defend yourself? With kyle they were chasing and hitting him. Milwaukee guy just flashes a gun while in his house, he gets arrested instead of the ppl trespassing and threatening him. So when is it okay to defend?
This is a somber discussion. Yes, we really are at that point. Myself, I live at the end of a dead end street where the angry mob would ignore, until their desperate last measure. I'd hear lots of goings on all around me, and have weeks of notice before it ever got to me. This was deliberate.
The proverbial angry mob outside your house, clearly we're better off firing than brandishing. The trick is to make sure none escape. That's the first thing I was taught as a young child. Anybody that gets away WILL come back, and they'll be more trouble when they do. Coordinating a neighborhood defense so you have triangulation and none escape is in order. If you are a housewife I would urge you to indeed wait until this scenario imposes itself upon you, and hopefully it never will.
I don't intend to watch my fellow Countrymen get picked off one by one like they've done to South Africa while I hide like a coward. I feel like storming Normandy! My Mom's Uncle was the first soldier into battle on D-Day, and lived through all that mess including the battle of Bastogne. And beyond. He came home in one piece. Our domestic enemies are more dangerous than Nazis, because there's no coming home from this for many. Some of us need to be heroes soon. We'll get one night, and we'll swamp LEOs so they can't track down everybody. Military will deploy in the morning at the earliest. We can have a 300:1 ratio. Like that we send a clear "mandate of the people;" US will never be a socialist Country, and the only good Marxist is a dead Marxist.
That’s the point I’m making. This was a clear use of brandishing to deescalate. They were vastly outnumbered by a violent crowd. The guns were used as a deterrent like a rattlesnake warns other animals. Those guns were used more as a don’t tread on me, motherfucker. Nobody was shot and it got the mob to leave them alone so sounds like they were successful.
The laws for brandishing need to change so that there is room for scenarios that justify drawing your weapon and not actually firing. Not to exactly defend the lady waving her gun around the way she did, but I don’t think she should be facing 4 years of jail for facing down a violent mob that destroyed her neighborhood’s gate already.
When a mob breaks through your gate and gets off scot free but they charge you with felonies for standing there with your gun and telling them to get lost 🤡🌎
The McCloskeys are being vilified for the same reason as Nick Sandmann. Their crime was standing their ground against the radical left. They need to be made an example of, lest others be emboldened to do the same.
I would liken the McCloskeys more to Kyle than I would Sandmann, but maybe they're halfway between? We need to be the ones making examples out of traitors.
So when they get a pardon from the Governor would they still have the felony on their record and all the bs that comes with that, or does a pardon take away the charge completely? Wipe it clean so to speak
This is absurd, I wouldnt be surprised if this kicks off a boogaloo. Im at a loss for words, how have they not come to a decision yet? These people are only guilty of being too lenient and not blasting those trespassers immediately after they broke down the gate and started threatening em.
If we just had a few citizens sacrifice themselves and shot as many as they could when confronted; would send message that you cant just fuck with anyone in this mob manner.
It will take more than a few. It will take a whole mess of us. All on one night. US population would be well over 165 million when the dust settles in the morning, and that's all the time we'll get before the military deploys. Then they'll have their "clear mandate of the people:" the US will never be a socialist Country, and the only good Marxist is a dead Marxist.
If they lose, then that is it for gun rights in this country. If you can't threaten that mob to protect yourself then there no situations in which you can
I hope y'all are ready to fight.
Meanwhile: 9 CHARGED AFTER MCCLOSKEY CONFRONTATION WON'T BE PROSECUTED
I hope this ends up in front of the Supreme Court and real justice prevails. The whole nation needs a reminder of our constitution.
I was looking today. There's one liberal judge who is 82. Maybe he will retire soon. Thomas and Alito should also consider retiring if Trump wins so we can get young conservatives in there. We need 50 years to undo the past 50 years of beatdowns.
Then, once all that happens, implement law preventing court packing. Keep the court 9 members only
An Amendment not a law, they can overturn a law and pass a new one as easy as we can.
Amendments are hard and take work and dedication - so we are safe from the left there.
Both sides are scared shitless of a constitutional convention. No one has any idea what might come out of that.
The courts cannot be packed at the whims of democRATS. They need a constitutional amendment, that has to be further ratified by the states
Since when do they care what the US Constitution says? RBG openly scoffed at it. And apparently John Roberts decided his hatred for DJT is more important than his love for the Constitution.
That's already the law that there are 9 justices.
Not safe at all. Doesn't the US Constitution specify 9 Justices? Once that little detail is taken care of, then you can't have an even number.
I concur, the older conservatives should learn from RBG's bad gamble and retire while a Republican is in office.
I want to see how ACB votes first.
Then we can talk about who Alito and Thomas should be replaced with.
I don't want to lose Thomas but it's time.
Thomas has earned the right to sit on that court for as long as he wants, which can't be said of many justices
Black or White I can think of no man or woman fit to replace him :(
That man belongs in Trump’s Garden of Heroes next to justices like John Marshall.
Perhaps a Black Republicans who happens to be openly Homosexual like Richard Grenell. Purely as an FU to Soros and the radical Left.
No thanks.
How about no homosexuals.
EXACTLY!
There's a proverb, as long as it takes to build something, is about as long as it takes to destroy it.
This cancerous corruption of the Deep State/Globalists/Swamp, went on for so long! So long!
I get people are tired, and want it to end immediately. But we have to be strong, believe in Trump.
But if you want an uplifting opinion - as Trump says, Ahead of Schedule and Under Budget. 50 years to destroy America? Give Trump 4-5+ years to rebuild it. :P
It's much quicker to destroy anything than it is to build it.
Going to the Supreme Court would probably cost the McCloskey's every dime they have.
They could get the money for that in so many ways. Gun rights groups, a rich supporter or two, on the web. Etc., Etc.
Ask Jake Gardner how fundraising went for him. A GoFundMe account was set up for him and promptly taken down.
I don't like being a cynic but prosecutors have so much power to fuck with people's lives.
That's a fact. Which is precisely why defeatist, let's lay down and cry attitudes will assure it stays that way. Rights are won, not handed out.
There needs to be citizen oversite for the judiciary system. Everyone needs to be held accountable for their actions
Www.constitutionalfundme.com
ACLJ (American Center for Law and Justice) does these kind of cases pro bono all the time. I hope they can step in here.
I donate to them, they are good people.
From the description of their mansion and furnishings I see they must be pretty good at making sure they win in court. Sure, a man that represents himself has a fool for a lawyer but I'll bet he's got some hotshot lawyer buddies that would love to pro bono to further their career. Who
mever represents them will certainly make a name for themselves if they aren't already known.SPEZ: Fixed whomever to whoever
Your envy is showing. The point is that they should never have been charged in the first place. Not whether or not they could afford representation
Huh what? No shit they shouldn't have been charged. Really. Everyone in this thread and on TDW knows that. What does envy have to do with it? Did you see the sentence I was referring to?
Whoever
Derp! Thank you! That was actually beaten into me as a kid and I should know better.
Some are willing to lay down their lives, others are willing to give up their Fortune
Yup, it is a nice house but with lawyers the meter runs so damn fast.
I hope this ends up as a civil suit and the DA's office ends up having to shell out enough money that the district has to raise taxes to pay for it.
I say this because it apparently takes that level of pain to get the idiots to vote for non-lefties.
AFAIAC the DA should be charged by the Feds with deprivation of rights under color of law.
Exactly. This may be the long-awaited landmark case
the constitution: its NOT OPTIONAL. your feelings dont matter
Forget expanded gun laws, large IRS ammo purchases, current shortages, etc.
THIS is now de facto gun control.
We're even beyond spending $100k to defend yourself when you shoot a piece of shit breaking into your house. We're now talking about people being arrested holding guns outside of, or in the case of Milwaukee, INSIDE their homes.
Want to clean your shotgun on the front porch after a day of duck hunting? Better clear that with your attorney first because some fuckstick Karen might call SWAT and ask for the MRAV.
Those defending their home or persons should never be taken in to sit in a holding tank alongside genuine criminal scum.
The guy in Milwaukee did go outside with his gun.
Other than that, your point stands
I'd be interested in seeing video of him outside with his shotgun, because the video does not show it. The press release says inside. https://twitter.com/mrandyngo/status/1306376566906130432?s=21
I feel it's more of the banana republic rules. When the rules of man is used instead of the rules of law, you let your faves get away with murder, while you murder anyone who makes you look bad. The end result is that everything is backwards, and there is no justice.
This is exactly how communism worked. Everything is reversed. You are a hard working person earning what you've built over decades? You are oppressive scum. You are a literal murderer and rapist for ideological reasons? You are a victim of society. Said murderer kills hard working person? Poor guy, why did society force him to do that? Society is to blame!
Anarcho-tyranny
I really don't like that term. The selective application of the law (the discriminatory application of the law - aka not applying it to certain groups, but to others) is just regular tyranny.
Don't make up a new word for something that already exists and has a name and a definition. It's Marxism. It's communism. It's tyranny. Rebranding "tyranny" is pointless.
The anarchy is not prosecuting real crimes by the Khmer Noir mob, and the tyranny in prosecuting the McCloskeys for defending their home.
It's a well-recognized term with some history that people should be familiar with.
Ouch, that was profound.
Do we have the names of those charged? Those 9 are George Zimmerman tier if the McCloskeys are unjustly railroaded.
Oh yeah I feel a revolution coming on AAAAHHHRRROOOOOO
We all need to start a list and track these traitors.
We need to organize
If only there were a website full of like-minded folks
Nope, that won't be a signal because it won't happen. Developers and admins have that figured out, planned from day 1. Neither will POTUS be giving any go signal.
While this website is good for news, it's not so great for organizing.
Rally around "Remember George Groid!"
Did I spell that right?
Jigaboo Charlie agrees.
READINESS, TEAMWORK, DISCIPLINE, COMMUNICATION, MOVEMENT, RESOLVE, AND PLANNING!!
Spend today learning how:
https://thedonald.win/p/GvFlba69/sunday-gunday-beyond-the-hardwar/
Americancontingency.com
I've got a list started, but I quit maintaining it at least 6 months ago. There are literally too many assholes and I was spending all day noting their ignorance.
WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING, IF ATTACKED!
Hell yeah, empty magazine, insert fresh magazine, repeat until threat has been eliminated.
Waiting to be on defensive is how we lose. There comes a time to take the initiative, and we only get one night before our military deploys
Its easy, just find anyone who accepted donations from a soros group. Thats the list. All are traitors and should be executed for treason against the nation.
A list?
Everyone in the MSM, Hollywood, Twitter and other shill social media site.
You don't need a list
How many of these people do you have access to? Now compare that to those you do have actual access to ...
We most certainly do need a list. School board, local politicians, etc. Some of these are good people.
Yep. Local list. Work your way up from there.
yeeeaaahhhh, definitely! People definitely will give up their nice lives to fight!
People need to be convinced that they're giving up their nice lives by not fighting.
we need dis energy
People will have to lose their nice lives first before they're in desperate enough straights to stand up.
I'd say they deserve it at that point. Just like all the White people in major cities who have had their lives disrupted or ended by extreme lockdowns, race riots, and restrained police forces.
Quit with your doom porn. Who has a nice life left?
Fine, you can be the piccolo player.
I don't even understand the legal justification here. I am by no means a lawyer, but what are they in trouble for? Is it not legal to defend themselves?
Soros DA
Kim Gardener is why; she refuses to prosecute BLM and is very anti Trump. She also gets Soros money, go figure. She’s a blight on Saint Louis.
Everyone who lives there thinks it’s such a gem. “St. Louis is like, v special.” No, it isn’t. The Cardinals are the only reason anyone goes there.
Unfortunately too many Biden signs around now and more coming out every day. Especially in Ladue South....I mean Kirkwood.
Honestly I'm not sure Wagner's seat is safe. The Biden signs in my neighborhood are in front of houses that turned over in the last 4 years. We went from being the youngest on our street in our late 30's to now the oldest in our 40's as the neighborhood as turned over.
Can confirm, live there now, is shithole and even Illinois looks reasonable compared to it.
Rule of law seems to have failed. Just wait for DRGEOTUSVSG to say the word.
What word?
He's already spoken out against the treatment they've been getting.
This case is still at the state level. Trump and his DOJ can't do a damn thing.
All he can do is say how horrible it is and just hope it ends in favor of the couple.
One thing Trump red-pilled me on, was the fact that he as POTUS has very little rights when it comes to state-level shit. It just proves how much Obama overreached his power while he was POTUS. The man sent feds to shut down shit that should have been handled by the state. Reporters were jailed and people were thrown in prison for protesting. Not a peep from the MSM about it.
As much as I would love Trump to do something, I know that he can't. As soon as he oversteps his boundaries, the left will attack him nonstop for being a "Tyrant".
No standing President will ever give such a signal
Tampering of evidence might be that the handgun was seized in a non-firing configuration which will be impossible to prove it was disabled after the incident occurred.
I've been keeping patient about it, but yes I am
I just wanna kill some bugs, sir!
I’m from Buenos Aries and I say kill em all!!
Militia should demand McCloskeys be released. That’s the only way you’re heard these days. Enough of this horseshit.
amen. All traitors deserve executions
Anyone who says otherwise is a traitor.
Yes it sucks! Trump sadly has no power here. The McCloskeys will probably win, if not it will go to the supreme court. If it will not hold in the supreme court the country is dead. Trump can pardon them, but that's about it.
The people that indicted them should be hung for treason. How can you endict victims of a crime for exerting their constitutional rights, which resulted in no one getting hurt?
“Stand your ground. Don't fire unless fired upon, but if they mean to have a war, let it begin here." —Captain John Parker at Lexington Green, April 19, 1775
I must have left the window open, because I've got goosebumps. No bullshit.
Nothing changes but the date.
This is important to note. Just making a comment on the internet isn't doing your part. Actions matter.
And just to be clear, I'm just as guilty of this
Search in your region.
The militiamen all have day jobs
Well soon enough it’ll be kill or be killed and it’ll work itself out.
It's been kill or be killed since 5/26. Just most of us are away from that madness.
DHS and FBI says militia are "white supremes". A fight is coming.
Unlucky - having kids to worry about
Lucky - NOT having kids to worry about
WEEEEEEEEE! Killing commies! I'll die for your family, fam!
Same.
Child-free and willing to lay it all on the line for the sake of our conservative family men's kids signing in.
Bro-fist
Lets make sure these fuckin' folks with kiddos have a good future for their kids. I'm not a fan of kids, but I am a fan of kids living free.
LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
It's not just a question of our age. They grow stronger, while our position weakens.
Your grandparents faced the same choice. So did your great-grandparents. They chose... poorly.
Fuck that noise. If you're too weak to be a hero, that's on YOU. Nobody else. We've all been looking over the situation, wondering if it's worth the bloodbath it will take to effect change. In the 80's and 90's it wasn't. Since the "post 9/11 world" it's been hard to make sense out of, but we've lost so much. Now globalists are out in the open, and only a few people here are still asleep to it, so we've got much more significant numbers than anytime in the last 30 years. We'll get one night to act, before military deploys. They need to have a clear "mandate of the people;" the only good Marxist is a dead Marxist, and US will never be a socialist Country.
Our prayer should be:
Trump wins in a landslide, and we at least keep the Senate
The left and DS go absolutely nuclear level insane, I mean burning Trump supporters' houses to the ground.
I don't want number 2, but without it, we will ride through to 2022, ho hum into a Senate loss, and then lose everything else in 2024
Agreed. If they take power again, we're done. Everything must align perfectly to kick them from power forever, and save our nation.
Nope. Even with a supermajority in both House and Senate we will have to act. It will be pour turn to be heroes soon.
I doubt conservatives will do anything if Trump loses. Just more "hurr durr boating acksident lolol" from the same old dipshits.
Youre spot on. We didnt do jackshit when Obama and his doofus "wife" and Joe Biden won the election not once but twice. The left has the entire entertainment industry, The retail industry, and Hollywood held hostage. Nothing is going to change unless conservatives come together under the same numbers and put that same level of fear into society where everyone panders to them with their fake ass gas lighting. Conservatives are just too nice and "proper". In a couple decades, Probably half of the country is going to be an extended California.
Contrast the response to 9/11 to right now with everything that has happened...
Conservatives are a joke now...
Here's the problem, they continue to get away with it.
Where the fuck you at Barr? He obviously can't be relied on, it's time the people start taking action. We should be protesting in the streets over this. The left protests for rapists and pedophiles who get shot for attacking the police - it's time the right starts gathering in the streets. It's one thing the left tends to do better than us. That being said, it's easier to protest when the mainstream media will cover up for your bad actors and spread your message positively
The VA 2A rally on 1/20 proves that the time for peaceful protest is long past. What do you really think will be accomplished like that? It will take much more
Barr is a bureaucrat. Bureaucrats have openly stated - by way of DHS and the DoJ/FBI - that people who desire small, limited government are "white supremacists".
You are literally guilty of being a "white supreme" by believing in what the founders of this country believed in. Bureaucrats will never, ever cede power once they have it in case anyone is still wondering. Anyone that is a threat is jailed for process crimes or whatever other bullshit they cook up.
“Every single human being that was in front of my house was a criminal trespasser. They broke down our gate. They trespassed on our property. Not a single one of those people is now charged with anything. We’re charged with felonies that could cost us four years of our lives and our law licenses,"
-- Mark McCloskey
If the DoJ doesn't step in and protect this couple's civil rights, then Billy with the bagpipes needs to pay the price.
Exactly. This is the kind of case that people should be willing to die for. This case will set the precedence for many years.
Kyle's case is worse .. Kyle was under physical assault as he defended himself, and he got thrown in jail for this basic right..
Should lock Billy Barr up until he steps in to protect Kyle's civil rights.
Because they both are cases like that.
Amazing how a felon with an illegally obtained gun is allowed to walk free while a kid who defended himself from said felon is sitting in jail right now.
I’ve seen conflicting statements on that, nothing definitive. Lefty may have been arrested/charged with a felony then either not successfully prosecuted or pled down to a lesser charge. Of course our media doesn’t do basic homework on this aspect of an important story.
Indeed. According to Mccloskey V. Commies, your rights to defend your home and family is null and void.
-Commies
We already know what Barr is gonna do, not a damn thing. Would be elated if I was proven wrong, however.
Hang all traitors.
I believe Bill barr to be one of those traitors. He doesn't seem to do much except talk and even then very rarely
Mitch's never-Trump senate cunts .. Trump didn't have a choice in AG that could be confirmed by fuckers like Collins, Murkowski, Rubio, Gardner, and about 8 others.
The Turtle has more power that Trump with appointees that need senate confrimation.
THIS. This very thing is where the DOJ is supposed to go in and clean house. It's been done many times over the decades -- until now.
I'm getting to the point where I just want the President to fire Barr right now and to hell with waiting until after the election. Fire Wray too, of course.
Firing is not enough. Unless you mean down range.
Hang all traitors
Billy with the bagpipes defended the sniper who blew the head off Vicki Weaver while she was holding her child.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lon_Horiuchi
Still don't trust him. Hope he proves all us doubters wrong.
Blacks didnt charge them. Soros and the Bolsheviks did.
1st amendment free speech rights go away once intimidation is involved. Intimidation was involved, and any reasonable person would fear for their life or severe bodily injury since 5/26, in any situation even remotely resembling this.
A crowd that big that close to your house can't be controlled by two shooters, not unless they all ran away which you can't count on. We need to have a serious discussion with our LEOs about these circumstances, and how to enforce the law. They shouldn't be allowed free reign like that. And a sniper in the bushes could've opened fire as soon as the crowd passed the gate.
Doesn't matter if it was their property or not, if they feared for their life
No shit Portland breeds faggots
Home confiscated for reparations.
Step 3: Zimbabwe.
South Africa. All the whites get ethnically cleansed
Anarcho-tyranny
They had an emergency legislative session in Virginia to pass a law to make any white person who calls 9-11 on a non-white person liable for a "hate crime", and prison time. White people should think twice before calling 9-11 now.
So shoot, shovel, and shut it is the logical answer now?
Shhhh. :)
You're serious? What was the outcome?
I'll be honest, they pushed through over a thousand leftist laws this year to destroy our state. I lost track of this one. They may have rolled it into the upcoming "police reform" bill.
It really did. It was shocking. Most people don't even realize what has happened yet.
Goooooo "football team"
In Greece too... Only problem is that the illigals get UN lawers as defence attorneys. They can't have them go to prison, they need them to move into Europe for destabilization.
waste of tax payer money...we REALLY need to organize and make examples outta these DAs and other elected people that are in Soros's pocket...raise money and get them out of office
We should go to their homes and threaten them. That's cool these days, right?
“Peacefully protest”. There, am I doing it right?
Nope. Not yet.
Or trees.
You don't work for them (antifa) so you would actually be charged
That assumes being captured. That's a bad plan.
we need to do more than get them out of office.
Unfortunately when the McCloskeys win and sue the state that will be your tax money too.
I'm on the McCloskeys side (I even have a shirt with them on it, lol), just saying the taxpayer gets fucked both ways.
Vote? You sweet summer child. Our votes don't matter. We're not going to vote our way out of this mess.
Voting doesnt work.
sure....just ask our homeboy Kyle.
I see what you mean..
1776......
And get a shit ton of cash from all the slander.
He may not be. He may be in juvenile detention. They may be transferring him back and forth, so the angry mob never knows where he is. He's much safer like that than he would be at home.
But I do get your point, and agree. This single issue would merit war. How many issues are that serious? Oodles. Simultaneously.
Right to bear arms supersedes unconstitutional state laws.
Wife pointed her little gun at people, even if she wasn't aiming it. And she did so with her finger on the trigger. The only way that makes any sense is if it was a prop, unable to be fired. We'll never know the truth of that claim and neither will a jury. If the standard is "beyond a reasonable doubt," they'll have a very hard time meeting that to convict.
Mr never pointed his gun at anybody. I don't know how that compares to the crime of brandishing, but many here suggest it's legal.
Brandishing is a bullshit charge in the first place. Since when is it reasonable to punish people for not shooting someone? "Oh noes, it wuz scawy." Go to hell! First of all, that's the whole goddamn point of a threat display (which is an attempt to avoid violence, and in this case was clearly effective), and second, the Constitution wasn't established to protect our fucking feelings. What's next, arresting people because their dogs barked at a burglar?
I would love to see the case won based on this. The other option is everyone shoots every rioter threatening their neighborhood, which I've seen less of rioters going into decent neighborhoods so I think they're looking at it that way too.
But tackling the brandishing issue via "yeah, so?" May not be the best legal defense.
It depends on the state you live in. You should ask a competent lawyer before deciding.
I don't know Missouri law, but in my state it is expressly legal to display a weapon, with the intent to use it if necessary. In fact, the law sets a lower threshold for threatening use of a weapon than actually using it. Displaying a weapon is considered "force". Firing a weapon is considered "deadly force".
In my state, use of force (but not deadly force) is legal if you *reasonably believe the force is immediately necessary to prevent or terminate the other's trespass on the land".
Fire a warning shot? No, because depending on the circumstances, that could be considered felony "deadly conduct".
According to what has been reported, the McCloskeys would have been well within the boundaries of the law in my state, since the others were clearly trespassing.
But, I don't know the reason for the charge of "tampering with evidence". The handgun she held was inoperable, as the firing pin has been put in backwards. The crime lab documented that they found it that way, and reassembled it correctly. The McCloskey's attorney said that was intentional, as they used the gun as a prop in a court case, and had to disable it. Perhaps the DA is trying to force them to prove it in court?
"Tampering with evidence" would mean they switched the operable firing pin after the event, to make it inoperable. The State has the burden of proof here, not the McCloskeys. Hopefully the burden of proof is "beyond a reasonable doubt."
Yes, I wasn't clear: the DA might be trying to force them to prove it. But as you point out, the burden of proof is on the prosecution, not the defense. If there's a record of them using the gun as a prop in court, that disposes of the issue.
But someone has already posted: the MO governor is planning to pardon both of them and end this travesty:
https://thedonald.win/p/Hr1VrMSi/x/c/
If the penalties for 'shout', 'show', and 'shoot' are the same, you might as well shoot.
If my own elderly and disabled mother (who warned the evil doers would be coming after her and/or my sister, to get to me, in the weeks after G.Floyd riots); and 3 weeks her prescience, in Mid-June over a dozen armed officers came to do an anonymous "senior welfare check", threatened to breakdown the door, and arrest us, without warrants. They kidnapped her from her property, held her for 17 days, tortured her, starved her, thirsted her, violated dozens of laws/rights, she looked like a Holocaust survivor when they finally let her leave.
If my mom can still hold restraint against these evil forces, and put up with being tortured, than you can too. As she said, for 3 weeks prior to her kidnapping/abduction; DO NOT LET THEM FORCE YOUR ACTIONS, that is what they are trying to do. They even had one officer who's whole job was to stand in the neighbors front yard with a video camera and record the whole thing, them trying to be like CNN at Roger Stone's house.
If you use violence, you're just injuring random "following orders" types, who maybe have nothing to do with anything (like our Patriots whom volunteer after say 9/11 get sent halfway around the world to be ground up; it solves two problems for the evil doers--you and the random patriot ordered to go knocking on your door get put into a situation that can end badly.)
So after a half century, she finally authorized evacuation, after she votes. This is on top of the Commies cutting the water off for 21 months now (yes to all those around the world, this is a sub-urban house worth over Half-mil, without running water in the USA, home for over 50 years, bc the commies and corruption is very real). In addition halfway across the country, Grandma has been kidnapped/abducted unlawfully since last Oct. Now how many people do you know who will hold-the-line like this?
The FIB is supposed to be the ones to investigate these local corruptions, but the local office is too much on a first name basis with the local agencies doing the evil.
Even the local media stations wouldn't even cover it at all.
Liberty vs Marxism. Good vs Evil. This is where we are at (again) in U.S. & World history.
Two things all Pedes should understand in this LIberty vs Marxism:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stasi
If you don't know part of their game (like Cancel Culture), read Zersetzung here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zersetzung
Totally a coincidence if after bringing attention to corruption, unconstitutional issues, fighting the Marxists & swamp, that powers of gov like: Child Protective Services, Adult Protective Services, Red-Flags, Medical Holds, or anonymous tips "S.W.A.T.'ing" occur upon you or members of your family... being forcefully removed/arrested, tortured, etc. In addition to damage to your property, vehicles, biz, Name/reputation, files/computers, gov contracts/services, etc.
Don't be paranoid, but be smart. It's not just B. Parscale or all the names in the news, for every headline there's a hundred more, that the media wont write about.
Like the signers on the Declaration of Indepenence, no cowards; as standing up to evil is putting your wealth, name, and life/health (and that of your family) in harms way by the evil Marxists and their swampy allies.
MAGA On! DRAIN THE SWAMP! Choose Liberty over Marxism.
Pray for Peace - Quaker Pede. Hold the Line!
I can't get the gist of what you're saying because of poor writing. I take it English is not your primary language? We can suss this out; it's worth the effort.
Media only reports on stories they think reflect badly on GEOTUS, or that they are forced to "spin" because popularity before being memoryholed. So like Flynn, Stone, Kyle, McCloskeys, B. Parscale, etc. For every story that makes a "headline", there are another hundred that does not, that the media wont cover at all.
Yes, there is a sustained effort to "S.W.A.T." or use other local gov force upon those Repubicans (like Child Protective Services if you have kids in home; or Elder Protective Services if you have an older member at home, etc.) those Republicans whom the lefties & swamp consider to be the most vocal/opposed to their corruption or Marxist movement, and fighting their Dem election fraud.
Even my own elderly/disabled mother was kidnapped/abducted by 2 detectives, 2 sgts, 9+ deputies, (and more) aka a small army, without warrant. An "anonymous tip" to do a elder welfare check. Do you think the County rolls over a dozen officers in 3+ vehicles, with pre-staged video cameras, and exposing her to Covid, etc. instead of having the a person from say County HHS dept call my cell phone?
Mom was kidnapped for 17 days of torture/starvation/thirst/medicine lost like 15 lbs; and looked like a Holocaust survivior with sunken eyes, bones afterwards, without any judge or legal proceding or paperwork, etc.
The F.B.I. is supposed to be the one who keeps on top of these local/State agency violations of the Constitution, but the FIB swamp hasn't been drained yet; and in many ways is on a first name basis with those committing such unconstitutional actions.
In many cases, like watching B. Parscale video, it's all the same "trap" used.
In responding to the comment above, patience and don't let them provoke to get the video (or violence) they want.
That yes people like Kyle are detained unjustly, or Flynn, or Stone, or all the rest; and even my mother; and the thousands more out there across the land.
Republicans are being detained, without on bogus/garbage "Probable Cause", or without warrant. While in other towns, lefties are committing major crimes and free to go.
Things they use, include staged "anonymous tips", or getting a member of the household/neighbor to "flip/partake" like the STASI (or watch B. Parscale video(s).
With the goal of getting access to files or planting evidence, or putting a person under duress long enough to keep them from participating in this election cycle. Even without a bench order, or defense atty, it often puts someone under silence because of the heat raining down on them. Or just in general putting their life and their family under stress, removing associates/friends, economic/cash crunch, etc. They'll keep ramping up the stress, until the target is effectively removed from the table.
Hold the Line, Discipline. So instead of people calling to arms online, there are real world people suffering whom still haven't been broken by the evil commies, like Songbird at Hanoi Hilton. Stay Strong, be wise.
How does it feel to see your god given rights, your constitution being ripped to pieces? Having fun everyone?
I've been killdozer pissed since March. You?
FUCK OFF, COMMIES!
Hang all traitors
Trying to make an example of a citizen exercising his 2nd amendment rights. Get this to the supreme court and then overrule all unconstitutional gun laws. Open up the entire country to national carry. If the Kyle Rittenhouse situation and the McCloskeys have taught us anything is that guns are effective against a violent mob.
This has taught me to not hesitate to shoot commies. You will be murdered by them or charged for anything else you do.
yup.
Only good communist is a dead communist. Hang all traitors
That guy in Milwaukee wouldn't be charged had he fired. McCloskeys could've had a sniper in the bushes open fire as soon as the crowd passed the gate.
We all need to be discussing the reasonable fear with our local Police Chiefs and County Sheriff. Even just 20 people, 40' from your house you're not going to repel them with two perfect shooters. Only if they all run away, which is not guaranteed. They need to be enforcing the laws based on intimidation, not some bs distinction between public vs private property.
It's also taught me that the blueshirts will always side with the blacksmiths against you.
Edit: Blackshirts not Blacksmiths.
Eventually the DA's will need to be hanged for this. The mayors, the governors. They got to go. Let God sort them out.
Starting to look like sooner rather than later. People are about to boil over.
I really am feeling it. I don't trust the system under democrats, we aren't gong to get a fair shot and we'll be imprisoned. Might as well go down fighting. That's how I'm feeling about it, I can only imagine how others are feeling.
I've been killdozer pissed since March. At least 95% of deaths from CCPvirus were preventable. And they're not done mass murdering us. Plannedriots haven't really taken their toll yet, but you see where they're going. And you are 100% right, Governors, Mayors are guilty. We all need lists.
The Democrats want us dead. I have no choice but to see them as enemies of the state.
Nope
Conservatives will continue to watch their country be taken away from them as they are too cowardly to fight for their freedoms and way of life...
All at once, and we only get one night before the military deploys.
Before Biden is inaugurated.
This is ridiculous bullshit.
I bet this story has red-pilled thousands of people.
Has it though?
Hopefully millions.
I bet it hasn’t. Their liberal neighbors suggested the trespassers shouldn’t be charged and they condemned the McCloskeys for brandishing their guns. My liberal STL “friends” are still liberal and stupid as fuck.
Those cucks aren't a barometer for the nation. They're as out of touch as the "but we're on your side" idiots.
LET US KILL YOU!
Self defense and law are totally problematic.
The charges were dropped on the rioters, which allowed them to lie to the grand jury. if they had pending charges they wouldn't have been allowed to "testify" in front of a grand jury. The prosecutor(s) are responsible for this miscarriage of justice, and they allowed perjury to be presented as evidence.
I bet a few visits to the prosecution at their homes would change the attitude of this wrongful case
That is a perfect response. We can now enter the property of these democrats with impunity.
Except not because it's a two tiered justice system for leftists and everybody else. That's the problem.
"Visits?" No. Missions. Just one.
McCloskeys indicted for not showing fear against the mob.
They're getting indicted so that YOU will be afraid to stand up to the mob. They don't even need to get convicted of anything; the cost of going to trial is enough to ruin almost everyone, and Soros bought the DA so he controls who gets indicted. There is no response too extreme to this tyranny.
Shall not infringe. What is it about this sentence that the left has a hard time understanding?!?
Everything.
The couple's attorney called the charges "bullshit"
Give that man a medal!
It would be unfortunate if some happened to that DA who charged them.
Yeah, a real shame if some kinda accident were to occur. You never know what might happen
Remember folks, Kyle Rittenhouse is important, but so is this case. Hoping for the McCloskeys too!
I would say Derek Chauvins case is equally important too (who is innocent). Once people are convicted to fit a SJW narrative (despite the facts) justice is over in this country.
"Justice" hasn't existed in the US for many decades. Chauvin's case is in no way comparable to Kyle, McCloskeys, or Sandmann. Chauvin's problem is would a reasonable person have kept that hold for almost 9 minutes even after GF passed out and maybe died? He had lots of options. That will be an interesting case.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJlQvOgEx58&feature=emb_title
It’s pretty cut and dried. Chauvin is 100% innocent, and is being prosecuted for political reasons. He was following standard training/procedure and wasn’t the cause of George Floyd’s death in any way (overdose)
It’s totally comparable to those other cases in of its importance to the modern culture and our freedoms
Floyd deserved it. Low life felon scum
Anyone want to peaceful protest at any gated democrat houses? Apparently that's fine now!
Yes, this is the right response. Democrats have no concept of universality until it stares them in the face.
Had tds friends talking about how dems should definitely pack the supreme court. I'm like "play that out. Gop will just add 27 justices.. there's no end to that strategy".
indicted because a huge gang of thieves broke their gate down and invaded their home. what?
Tampering with evidence? Wasn’t it the prosecutors that had their gun taken apart and reassembled in order to add charges?
Yes.
This country is going into the shitter at light speed. If Trump loses in November, I dunno anymore man. Just find a nice quiet plot of land and work remotely. I can't stand living next to these destructive nihilists roaming the streets and tearing down civilization and a partisan legal system excusing them
Regardless of the results it will come to a bloodbath. There's no other way to fix this.
They wont hire you lol. You better start farming and hope the thugs don't south Africa you.
LOL, thugs brandish guns every fucking day and don't get so much as a ticket.
POTUS should have a federal prosecutor indict the prosecution for 2A civil rights violations.
My question is at what point CAN you defend yourself? With kyle they were chasing and hitting him. Milwaukee guy just flashes a gun while in his house, he gets arrested instead of the ppl trespassing and threatening him. So when is it okay to defend?
The guy in Milwaukee got arrested for being (1) drunk while armed, and (2) jumping bail.
Milwaukee guy also brandished outside his house. Not saying he should've been arrested, but facts matter.
This is a somber discussion. Yes, we really are at that point. Myself, I live at the end of a dead end street where the angry mob would ignore, until their desperate last measure. I'd hear lots of goings on all around me, and have weeks of notice before it ever got to me. This was deliberate.
The proverbial angry mob outside your house, clearly we're better off firing than brandishing. The trick is to make sure none escape. That's the first thing I was taught as a young child. Anybody that gets away WILL come back, and they'll be more trouble when they do. Coordinating a neighborhood defense so you have triangulation and none escape is in order. If you are a housewife I would urge you to indeed wait until this scenario imposes itself upon you, and hopefully it never will.
I don't intend to watch my fellow Countrymen get picked off one by one like they've done to South Africa while I hide like a coward. I feel like storming Normandy! My Mom's Uncle was the first soldier into battle on D-Day, and lived through all that mess including the battle of Bastogne. And beyond. He came home in one piece. Our domestic enemies are more dangerous than Nazis, because there's no coming home from this for many. Some of us need to be heroes soon. We'll get one night, and we'll swamp LEOs so they can't track down everybody. Military will deploy in the morning at the earliest. We can have a 300:1 ratio. Like that we send a clear "mandate of the people;" US will never be a socialist Country, and the only good Marxist is a dead Marxist.
Probably should have fired to avoid brandishing charges. Probably an easier case to defend even if you killed someone on your property.
That’s the point I’m making. This was a clear use of brandishing to deescalate. They were vastly outnumbered by a violent crowd. The guns were used as a deterrent like a rattlesnake warns other animals. Those guns were used more as a don’t tread on me, motherfucker. Nobody was shot and it got the mob to leave them alone so sounds like they were successful.
The laws for brandishing need to change so that there is room for scenarios that justify drawing your weapon and not actually firing. Not to exactly defend the lady waving her gun around the way she did, but I don’t think she should be facing 4 years of jail for facing down a violent mob that destroyed her neighborhood’s gate already.
How are you contradicting the statement?
Remember folks, no warning shots, shoot to kill.
When a mob breaks through your gate and gets off scot free but they charge you with felonies for standing there with your gun and telling them to get lost 🤡🌎
The McCloskeys are being vilified for the same reason as Nick Sandmann. Their crime was standing their ground against the radical left. They need to be made an example of, lest others be emboldened to do the same.
I would liken the McCloskeys more to Kyle than I would Sandmann, but maybe they're halfway between? We need to be the ones making examples out of traitors.
So when they get a pardon from the Governor would they still have the felony on their record and all the bs that comes with that, or does a pardon take away the charge completely? Wipe it clean so to speak
Not sure but this has to be settled in courts and properly or it’ll happen over and over again. All the way to Supreme Court.
I believe a pardon nulls the record. A commutation keeps it on record but you're not bound by the penalty.
Time to refresh the tree of liberty with the blood of tyrants, in Minecraft.
Patriots come first.
The DoJ has a Civil Rights division ... just saying.
Not that I expect Billy BigMacs to fight for the civil rights of property owners or anything.
Wow they only charged 9 of the trespassers for criminal trespassing and the city counselor dropped the charges on all of them....
sorry, city counselor
Might as well starting firing instead of brandishing. Warnings aren't doing a damn thing anymore and the mob knows the DA has their back.
EXACTLY! That's the message sent, and the angry mob seems to have noticed. When's the last time they've gone into wealthy neighborhoods?
This is absurd, I wouldnt be surprised if this kicks off a boogaloo. Im at a loss for words, how have they not come to a decision yet? These people are only guilty of being too lenient and not blasting those trespassers immediately after they broke down the gate and started threatening em.
Exactly! A sniper in the bushes opening fire as soon as they passed the gate would've been perfectly legal.
Jury trials are a toss up...
If we just had a few citizens sacrifice themselves and shot as many as they could when confronted; would send message that you cant just fuck with anyone in this mob manner.
Nah the media would just make those citizens out to be evil white supremacist demons for a month and then it would go back to business as usual.
It will take more than a few. It will take a whole mess of us. All on one night. US population would be well over 165 million when the dust settles in the morning, and that's all the time we'll get before the military deploys. Then they'll have their "clear mandate of the people:" the US will never be a socialist Country, and the only good Marxist is a dead Marxist.
You could...
Would be a real shame if Tom Fitton in his upcoming new position had a look into these DAs...
Time to expand his position then. Fitton has already shown he is willing to do all the heavy lifting if nobody else has the balls to do a damn thing.
Who's would? Anybody but Barr?
were the police involved with tampering with evidence indicted????????
This is a very serious and important question. Even more importantly is who told them to. A corrupt legal system serves no one.
I can't wait until we bury that fucker Soros.
If they lose, then that is it for gun rights in this country. If you can't threaten that mob to protect yourself then there no situations in which you can
There is no losing. Same with Kyle.
My halloween costume. Mr and Mrs Fuck Around and Find Out.
When are you all going to admit the constitution is under actual threat?
“Wait for Trumps word you shills!!!!!” Yeah yeah yeah. Look what if Trumps word never comes? We have to do something!
No sitting President will ever give any such "word"
Send it to the supreme court! The castle doctrine laws must be respected!
Unreal...