MS3 here. I’ve already thought to myself if I knew just how long and tiring the process of becoming a doctor would be there’s no way I would choose medicine again. People think of doctors as selfish assholes without realizing we’re busting our ass through 4 years of college (making $0 and paying tuition), 4 years of medical school (making $0, paying tuition, easily working 80+ hrs/wk), then 3-7 years of residency (making $60k/yr, working 80+ hrs/wk). And to top it all off it’s incredibly competitive to even get in in the first place.
Your basically 30 by the time you start making good money... One of these days I’m going to sit down and graph lifetime earnings for someone who joined McDonald’s working 40 hrs/wk min wage straight out of high school vs someone who got a 60k job out of college vs a doctor and see what age they cross over, factoring in things like hours worked and student debt.
Had a coworker say healthcare and housing should be rights. I said, “So you support slavery then?” Of course he said no, but just couldn’t connect the dots when I explained to him that anyone who claims a right to another’s labor is a slave master.
Owning a gun is a right, but if there were no gun manufacturers willing to sell for an agreed price (capitalism) you can't force them to manufacture them for you... you as an individual would then have to build your own.
Probably confusing the right to bear arms with the right to have them given to you.
Products and services are a bit different when it comes to this as well. Owning a gun isn't slavery while owning the person who makes the gun is. We have a right to keep and bear arms but that doesn't mean guns need to be free to all who wish them.
If they started mandating gun prices that's where things would start getting tricky. Like if all guns were only $100 each regardless of supply, demand or construction costs. That's not what the right to bear arms is about, though.
Please, please for the love of God, STOP believing Bernie Sanders and AOC!
European countries are not "democratic-socialists", whatever this made up term means!
In Europe you do have private healthcare, along with public one, so a European doctor can work for the government, for a private company, or for both at the same time.
This is very common in e.g. Italy, where a doctor works in a hospital (for a really good wage) but it's very common for this same doctor to provide his services as an independent professional. So you can see the same doctor through the national healthcare system, waiting a few months perhaps, or you can see him immediately if you're happy to pay €100 for a private visit. Doctors work as "private practice" either in their own private clinics, or often in the fucking hospital. They run their business from the hospital, they just need to pay a fee to the hospital when they see a "private patient".
Doctors in Europe work for government's run hospitals willingly because they make one of the highest salary of any profession.
They are not fucking slaves.
"Democratic-socialism" is fucking Zimbabwe, not Europe.
Yeah, but if you're paying the Doctor, then you aren't really saying that healthcare is a right. Just like how gas in your car isn't a basic human right because it has to be paid for. Possessions and services are not in any sense rights. Your rights are those things that make you free from the use of force by others, such as the right to your life, the right to be secure in your possessions, right to bear arms, etc. Nobody has to give them to you, you already have them.
Yes, and the education system is full of excellent teachers who are properly compensated because they're free to look for new teaching jobs where they're appropriately paid right?
Wrong. Most teachers worth their salt leave the education system because the Teacher's Unions and DOE have standardized everything to the point there's no incentive to be a good teacher. The last thing I want is a doctor with no incentive to be a good doctor.
My wife is a doctor so this one hits close to home for me. The last thing I want is a doctor who was trained, hired, and held to similar performance standards as teachers.
"HEALTHCARE IS A RIGHT" TURNS DOCTORS INTO SLAVES
Doesn’t turn doctors into slaves. Turns everyone who has to pay taxes to pay the doctors into slaves
Read Atlas Shrugged. It turns us into slaves too my fellow pede.
MS3 here. I’ve already thought to myself if I knew just how long and tiring the process of becoming a doctor would be there’s no way I would choose medicine again. People think of doctors as selfish assholes without realizing we’re busting our ass through 4 years of college (making $0 and paying tuition), 4 years of medical school (making $0, paying tuition, easily working 80+ hrs/wk), then 3-7 years of residency (making $60k/yr, working 80+ hrs/wk). And to top it all off it’s incredibly competitive to even get in in the first place.
Your basically 30 by the time you start making good money... One of these days I’m going to sit down and graph lifetime earnings for someone who joined McDonald’s working 40 hrs/wk min wage straight out of high school vs someone who got a 60k job out of college vs a doctor and see what age they cross over, factoring in things like hours worked and student debt.
I’m interested in this time value of money calculation; I have to software to run it; I’ll let you know if I do.
Yeah but I do love what I do. In 5-8 years PM me if you want a job!
Great book. Just started reading it
Had a coworker say healthcare and housing should be rights. I said, “So you support slavery then?” Of course he said no, but just couldn’t connect the dots when I explained to him that anyone who claims a right to another’s labor is a slave master.
Owning a gun is a right, but if there were no gun manufacturers willing to sell for an agreed price (capitalism) you can't force them to manufacture them for you... you as an individual would then have to build your own.
Don't know how? Sucks for you then
Time to start knapping some flint.
No they are a business operating to in response to demand for a product.
Weird question. I guess it would depend on their working conditions. Why do you ask?
Probably confusing the right to bear arms with the right to have them given to you.
Products and services are a bit different when it comes to this as well. Owning a gun isn't slavery while owning the person who makes the gun is. We have a right to keep and bear arms but that doesn't mean guns need to be free to all who wish them.
If they started mandating gun prices that's where things would start getting tricky. Like if all guns were only $100 each regardless of supply, demand or construction costs. That's not what the right to bear arms is about, though.
Please, please for the love of God, STOP believing Bernie Sanders and AOC!
European countries are not "democratic-socialists", whatever this made up term means!
In Europe you do have private healthcare, along with public one, so a European doctor can work for the government, for a private company, or for both at the same time.
This is very common in e.g. Italy, where a doctor works in a hospital (for a really good wage) but it's very common for this same doctor to provide his services as an independent professional. So you can see the same doctor through the national healthcare system, waiting a few months perhaps, or you can see him immediately if you're happy to pay €100 for a private visit. Doctors work as "private practice" either in their own private clinics, or often in the fucking hospital. They run their business from the hospital, they just need to pay a fee to the hospital when they see a "private patient".
Doctors in Europe work for government's run hospitals willingly because they make one of the highest salary of any profession. They are not fucking slaves.
"Democratic-socialism" is fucking Zimbabwe, not Europe.
This isn't true. Slaves are often paid. What makes them slaves is that the labor is forced, not that they don't get paid.
Username checks out.
You and I are in an island, and there's no food source except the fishes in the sea.
I am the only one who knows how to fish and only I have fishing equipment.
I ask you to build me a hut, only for myself, in exchange I'll give you one fish a day.
Are you my slave, or are you a free man?
Yeah, but if you're paying the Doctor, then you aren't really saying that healthcare is a right. Just like how gas in your car isn't a basic human right because it has to be paid for. Possessions and services are not in any sense rights. Your rights are those things that make you free from the use of force by others, such as the right to your life, the right to be secure in your possessions, right to bear arms, etc. Nobody has to give them to you, you already have them.
Yes, and the education system is full of excellent teachers who are properly compensated because they're free to look for new teaching jobs where they're appropriately paid right?
Wrong. Most teachers worth their salt leave the education system because the Teacher's Unions and DOE have standardized everything to the point there's no incentive to be a good teacher. The last thing I want is a doctor with no incentive to be a good doctor.
Man, there are shills out in full force in this thread. I haven't so many fags since I left reddit. You must know your days are numbered
My wife is a doctor so this one hits close to home for me. The last thing I want is a doctor who was trained, hired, and held to similar performance standards as teachers.
Ben Shapiro, is that you?