The libertarians are a joke. I was the same way, joined a libertarian social group even. Almost all of them have TDS now. They try to appeal to leftists and win over exactly zero of them to their niche group. They love losing and they are complicit with the left. I had one on Facebook today from that group told me fuck you for posting that I was no longer going to wear a mask anywhere anymore.
Same thing can be said for cuckservatives. They sit back and whine about Trump's tweets or shit he says, like they have any idea of how to fight. Look faggot, do you want to have "muh conservative principles" or do you want to win?
I find this one so funny. What "conservative principles" has Trump betrayed?
Pro life? Lower taxes? Reduced regulatory burden? Pro law and order? Pro manufacturing and business? Oh wait--he's the first Republican President to actually uphold any of these since Reagan.
No, the "conservative principle" is apparently that people on the right should always bend over being nice to the liberal media and never make fun of their opponents, especially on Twitter.
... Yet I can't find that in a Republican platform from any time in history. Almost like the Bush 1&2 crew just made it up from whole cloth to excuse their fake "conservatism" of the past 30 years.
... And that's the line for the old Bush crew, eh? That's the "conservative principle" they hold most dear and are willing to abandon the entire Republican party and vote for universal healthcare and open borders for?
K. Sure. Makes total sense. Not hilarious or ironic at all. Nope.
I had one guy on fb say that Trump's just "using" the Christian community for their votes and that's one of the reasons he's not voting for him. Mind you this guy is VERY anti-abortion and conservative in general. Blows my mind.
Conservative Catholic here. There has not been a single president in US history that has stood up for pro-lifers like Donald Trump has.
It’s unbelievable that he is the first president to speak at the March for Life. That’s an easy 100k+ lifetime votes just sitting there on the table for any president to take. All they had to do is step outside their front door and say that they don’t like abortion. And to this day, Trump has been the only president with the guts to do it.
Conservatives need to understand that being tough is not immoral. When your opponent not only fights you but fights dirty there is no time to think about what is the most moral way to win.
In 2016, there was a guy at work who said he wasn't voting Trump because he thought the leaders should have moral character... I never found out who he was voting for, but my guess would be whoever it was had all kinds of skeletons in the closet.
Exactly. Jesus kicked out the money changers from the temple with a whip and knocked over their tables. Christians beat the Muslim invaders in the crusades. Over the years Christians became pacifists. Sure it is good not to start unnecessary wars, but it seems like Christians forgot Jesus fought too and only remember the turn the other cheek verse. And from the old testament turning our swords into plowshares and not the verse that says turn our plowshares into swords.
Thats really what grinds my gears. A lot of conservatives want “purists”. Fuck that, I want to win and destroy liberalism! It takes action to win, not words!
I don't agree with everything Trump does so let's just not win at all and go hide and cry in a corner while leftists round us up and send us all to reeducation camps. /s
I am still a small-L libertarian, but the thing is, I've never been a fan of the Libertarian party. They are a joke, and they do pander to the left in the hope that they will somehow be seen as legitimate.
Same here. I agree with them philosophically on most issues but they have zero understanding of tactics and how to win in our two party system. Almost makes me believe they are getting paid under the table as spoilers.
To be fair, many people don't know their own true beliefs. There are RINOs, DINOs, and I guess LINOs (Libertarian in name only) as well.
I am a real Libertarian. I believe in the maximization of individual liberties. And I am aware of the enemies of these values. The government must be used against them, as they are using it against you. Reciprocity is a significant pillar in ethics - and nobody has to reject power if power is used against you. No - you have the DUTY to use power to defeat the aggressor, otherwise you let them get away with it and continue to do so.
But the end goal should be to increase Free Market Capitalism rather than spiral into working towards communism to defeat communists.
And another point: Whoever is not for the ABSOLUTE ELIMINATION OF MARXISM is not a true Libertarian. Whoever finds himself flirting with leftists or trying to appease them is a cuck that belongs in the trash bin.
It's like a home invader busting your door down and coming into your house and negotiating with you on how much stuff to take. No, no negotiation. Home invaders need to be dealt with. You don't give them any of your stuff. As long as a person doesn't invade your home, who cares what he does to his own place, but as soon as he attempts to bust the door to your home down, he should immediately lose all power to bust any door down ever again.
I am in a similar boat as a registered libertarian - I am against open borders because I can think past first order consequences and know that such policy is a kumbaya campfire fantasy that inevitably leads to the erosion of the rights of citizens.
Lots of libertarians like trump. Especially since their current presidential candidate is super woke. Why would any libertarian want to vote for someone who believes that we have to be actively "anti-racist". Why would any libertarian in their right mind would want a president that wants to actively discriminate against white people. Pretty dumb If you ask me.
Another former Libertarian checking in. It's the stand you take when you can't quite bring yourself to take a real stand. I went full on Trump Train after similarly realizing the left will never leave us alone.
The libertarians are a joke. I was the same way, joined a libertarian social group even. Almost all of them have TDS now. They try to appeal to leftists and win over exactly zero of them to their niche group. They love losing and they are complicit with the left. I had one on Facebook today from that group told me fuck you for posting that I was no longer going to wear a mask anywhere anymore.
Same thing can be said for cuckservatives. They sit back and whine about Trump's tweets or shit he says, like they have any idea of how to fight. Look faggot, do you want to have "muh conservative principles" or do you want to win?
I find this one so funny. What "conservative principles" has Trump betrayed?
Pro life? Lower taxes? Reduced regulatory burden? Pro law and order? Pro manufacturing and business? Oh wait--he's the first Republican President to actually uphold any of these since Reagan.
No, the "conservative principle" is apparently that people on the right should always bend over being nice to the liberal media and never make fun of their opponents, especially on Twitter.
... Yet I can't find that in a Republican platform from any time in history. Almost like the Bush 1&2 crew just made it up from whole cloth to excuse their fake "conservatism" of the past 30 years.
The national debt has grown by trillions. Gov't spending has only increased. Nothing conservative about that.
... And that's the line for the old Bush crew, eh? That's the "conservative principle" they hold most dear and are willing to abandon the entire Republican party and vote for universal healthcare and open borders for?
K. Sure. Makes total sense. Not hilarious or ironic at all. Nope.
god I wish a party took this seriously (well libertarians do but...) but we're well off from this becoming mainstream
I had one guy on fb say that Trump's just "using" the Christian community for their votes and that's one of the reasons he's not voting for him. Mind you this guy is VERY anti-abortion and conservative in general. Blows my mind.
Conservative Catholic here. There has not been a single president in US history that has stood up for pro-lifers like Donald Trump has.
It’s unbelievable that he is the first president to speak at the March for Life. That’s an easy 100k+ lifetime votes just sitting there on the table for any president to take. All they had to do is step outside their front door and say that they don’t like abortion. And to this day, Trump has been the only president with the guts to do it.
He banned bump stocks
he betrayed the conservative principle of pretending to conserve things while getting reemed in the ass by the D's
Conservatives need to understand that being tough is not immoral. When your opponent not only fights you but fights dirty there is no time to think about what is the most moral way to win.
In 2016, there was a guy at work who said he wasn't voting Trump because he thought the leaders should have moral character... I never found out who he was voting for, but my guess would be whoever it was had all kinds of skeletons in the closet.
Please we can elect non-Christians who fight dirty for us in the political sphere. Nothing wrong with that. These people need to wake up
I feel like the refusal to be tough is directly related to the feminization of men in the west.
Exactly. Jesus kicked out the money changers from the temple with a whip and knocked over their tables. Christians beat the Muslim invaders in the crusades. Over the years Christians became pacifists. Sure it is good not to start unnecessary wars, but it seems like Christians forgot Jesus fought too and only remember the turn the other cheek verse. And from the old testament turning our swords into plowshares and not the verse that says turn our plowshares into swords.
Thats really what grinds my gears. A lot of conservatives want “purists”. Fuck that, I want to win and destroy liberalism! It takes action to win, not words!
I don't agree with everything Trump does so let's just not win at all and go hide and cry in a corner while leftists round us up and send us all to reeducation camps. /s
reeeeeeeeducation camps*
I am still a small-L libertarian, but the thing is, I've never been a fan of the Libertarian party. They are a joke, and they do pander to the left in the hope that they will somehow be seen as legitimate.
Same here. I agree with them philosophically on most issues but they have zero understanding of tactics and how to win in our two party system. Almost makes me believe they are getting paid under the table as spoilers.
I agree!
To be fair, many people don't know their own true beliefs. There are RINOs, DINOs, and I guess LINOs (Libertarian in name only) as well.
I am a real Libertarian. I believe in the maximization of individual liberties. And I am aware of the enemies of these values. The government must be used against them, as they are using it against you. Reciprocity is a significant pillar in ethics - and nobody has to reject power if power is used against you. No - you have the DUTY to use power to defeat the aggressor, otherwise you let them get away with it and continue to do so.
But the end goal should be to increase Free Market Capitalism rather than spiral into working towards communism to defeat communists.
And another point: Whoever is not for the ABSOLUTE ELIMINATION OF MARXISM is not a true Libertarian. Whoever finds himself flirting with leftists or trying to appease them is a cuck that belongs in the trash bin.
It's like a home invader busting your door down and coming into your house and negotiating with you on how much stuff to take. No, no negotiation. Home invaders need to be dealt with. You don't give them any of your stuff. As long as a person doesn't invade your home, who cares what he does to his own place, but as soon as he attempts to bust the door to your home down, he should immediately lose all power to bust any door down ever again.
I am in a similar boat as a registered libertarian - I am against open borders because I can think past first order consequences and know that such policy is a kumbaya campfire fantasy that inevitably leads to the erosion of the rights of citizens.
Not just the erosion of the rights of citizens, but the destruction of the society as a whole.
I can respect that Evil. I’m overgeneralizing for sure, but it feels necessary. Too many cucks, too little time and I’m addicted to winning!
Lots of libertarians like trump. Especially since their current presidential candidate is super woke. Why would any libertarian want to vote for someone who believes that we have to be actively "anti-racist". Why would any libertarian in their right mind would want a president that wants to actively discriminate against white people. Pretty dumb If you ask me.
Post Ron Paul I suspect the party leadership has been puppeted much like the RNC and DNC since It got big enough to be a potential political threat.
I would say that Libertarians are a joke, but libertarians are not. I consider myself the latter but definitely not the former.
Another former Libertarian checking in. It's the stand you take when you can't quite bring yourself to take a real stand. I went full on Trump Train after similarly realizing the left will never leave us alone.