The truth about college.
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The first mistake the public education made was over emohasizing the need for a college education to reach the American Dream while falsely placing trades on the same level as sweatshop factories at the start of the 20th century.
Career/Guidance Councilors in high school need to be fixate themselves on the trades education and offer it along with post high school learning options.
Also emphasizi g college somehow makes you intelligent. Intelligent people are not easily programmed. You aren't educated you are indoctrinated especially an art degree
I remember an "English literature" class (I wanted to write and teach) where the professor said this. He taught nothing. He put up a list of things we should read, and basically spent every "class" chatting with the female students. That was my first red pill, like a little red Chewable Baby Asprin. I was like "Wait a second, this is a scam. This asshole can't be fired, he makes enough money that he could retire after one year, and he has the power to make me jump through hoops and act with complete impunity. Son of a bitch, the system is bullshit."
Dropped the fuck out, went into horticulture, paid off what debt I had. Was making good money for a while. Until W and Obama shit on the economy, and NY Costs caught up to me.
Back in 2011 right after I got out of the military I was working part time at a hardware store. I made a comment to a coworker about how clean and organized he made the warehouse. He got this depressed look and said "yea you can too if you get a degree one day". Dude probably had $70,000 in debt while making $12.50/hr at 25.
Person on left isnt 99%. More like 20% that are fools and don't know the meaning of work.
They think they're the 99% because nobody with a job wants to spend more time around them than they have to.
There are way too many STEM degrees for the available jobs because of outsourcing, visa programs, immigration and government regulations.
Certainly true for fine arts programs outside of the very top ones that might get you a museum job.
I have no sympathy for anyone with a frivolous degree struggling to pay back student loans. Archaeology, anthropology, shit like that used to be the realm of aristocrats who had the patronage and time to do such things. Now little Sally majors in it and is shocked she’s not flying around the world to dig sites like in the movies and is saddled with debt.
So true...like Ronnie Coleman used to say: "Everybody wanna be a bodybuilder but nobody wanna lift."
Its even worse than wanting to be a CEO out of college. I've run into so many people just out of school who want to be consultants or work for "think tanks." Bullshit, that's the kind of job you do when you're 60 with 40 years of real world experience and your thoughts are actually worth a damn. Right out of college you buckle down and do the real shit work that nobody else wants to do till you actually understand what you're doing.
I think you're making some blanket statements, and I understand why. It's more nuanced than this. Not all "kids" graduate expecting to be CEO. But when income hasn't tracked with cost of living and cost of education, it turns into indentured servitude for many. The Federal Gov't should not subsidize student loans. Private banks would be far more scrupulous on who they would lend money to if they were the only option.
There are simply too many degrees being handed out and not enough jobs.
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Indeed.
Kids also want to work in a specific city and don’t seem willing to move to where the jobs are. Many don’t even read up on what jobs are in demand. Girl I dated in college wanted to be a specific type of teacher in a specific city. Only after graduating did she realize that county had a hiring moratorium for those kinds of teachers for about 15 years. She spent four years studying for an unattainable goal.
Spez: I’ll add that studying a luxury major like fine arts may be fine for someone on a full scholarship or from a wealthy family, but I don’t want to hear anyone bitching that they can’t get a good job with a silly major.
There's never been a better time to have an art degree. What the kids don't understand is just having a degree isn't going to get you anything. If you have an ongoing portfolio of work (meaning you're at work whether you have a job or not), there are staff level graphic design, video, and copywriting jobs aplenty. With experience and an accumulation of business acumen, these roles can lead to many management positions, and more.
This is true with STEM and business degrees, too. Who is getting the fulltime job after graduation, the person who did really well in their accounting program and has been interning at a Big 4 for the last 1-2 years, or the person who didn't do that well in school (just enough to get the degree), hasn't ever worked in their life, and didn't even try to get an internship? You gotta work hard no matter what you do.
True. I think a lot of the fine arts kids are imagining a life in a brickwalled studio apartment in NYC while working at MOMA right after they graduate.
Also true. Sadly what they don't understand is not too long ago, if someone wanted that MOMA position, they'd go in there and beg for a non-paying job just to get their foot in the door. Work as a bartender to have enough money to provide while doing the unpaid job, WHILE continuing to work on their own art. Eventually a position will open and your willingness to sacrifice probably will be rewarded. And lets say that took 2 years - theoretically now you're 24 years old with 2 years of art on your portfolio and 2 years experience at MOMA. This is great! Now you have a paying job so you can invest more into the museum scene. Maybe you don't like it, ok. Now you can use that work experience and portfolio to get into corporate. Or, maybe you do like it, and you stay there and network with all kinds of people in the art world. Then, if you kept working on your art, perhaps one of those meetings someone is genuinely interested in your work. Instead of rushing home to pull something out of your ass (i wanna be an artist but don't do any art), you have a robust portfolio to show. Maybe ONE piece in there is seriously impressive - maybe that interested person offers you an APPRENTICESHIP. Wowzers. Suddenly you're late 20s with a decade of hard art-work in your back pocket and now apprenticing for a professional and possibly renowned artist.
... or you went home to live with mom and played video games waiting for that dream job to arrive in the mail.
I have sympathy for them, just like I have sympathy for the miserable libs who hate trump.
Most got there by being lied to or given false information. Are they doing what they think is right, based on what they've been told? If yes, then I feel sorry for them.
I’m here at the second posting of this meme to remind everyone of the reality that mr 25 year old on the right is either lying or just a rarity. Trade skills do indeed pay well but it depends on level of risk and the location. Cities vs rural, etc.
We don’t need to lie to people with unrealistic expectations about trades with the same exact deception used with college degrees.
Bro. That’s someone working for a bloated, corrupt government. These things are not quite the same.
Are you in a city? Like I said to the other guy the location matters. I mean if you know for absolutely certain for a fact that after a 4 year license you can pull in 100k anywhere in the state then that's some crazy shit.
I remember a few years ago, when it was claimed that part of the man-crises was that they were falling behind on college degrees.
Humorously this falling behind has not been met with male-focuses scholarships.
Equality was never the goal, female privilege was.
$20,000. So what? That's like a car. And car loans aren't paid back over the span of 10 years.
Left one is fake. Never see a liberals student loans less than 50k.
The worst is I want to open a business and my liberal friends say to go to college to learn about business... why would I go into massive debt to learn everything I need to know on the internet, and save that money to open the business
Take community College classes, both towards formal associates degree and just about learning software and stuff. I finally "got" accounting because of the most recent class I took which was just a 1 week thing to learn quickbooks.
You need to learn a little bit about accounting, finance, law and contract law
Only thing would be you have a chance to learn it without everything being on the line.
Various neat noity stuff that you usually have to catch a kick in the balls to learn.
Legal sides of things. Its not the grestest path forward but you can learn many many things in college. I learned more about myself than any one subject. Although I would pay just about anything for that self leadership class. Top notch professor made it his goal to force you to do things for your own betterment.
All the extra credit was due on the first day. Shit was spelled out in the 38 page syllabus along with an assload of useless garbage, but you had to take the initiative and actually read it to know that. What an underhanded man he were. Best professor ever.
What are y'alls thoughts on law degrees? I'm in college rn and thinking about it.
NO. Unless it's paid for, or you get into a top 10 school.
I've read there's a glut of lawyers
As a carpenter, I don’t know a single carpenter making 100k plus a year. What trade makes this much money? I dont know a single plumber, electrician, hvac, anything in the trades that makes 100k plus a year. The owners of companies maybe. I own my own contracting company, don’t even come close to 100k a year in salary.
Truckers Are actually smarter than college grads with useless fucki g degrees. Stupid bitch.
Well, kind of. I have a BA in History and an M.Div. and though going into the ministry is a unique calling (I hesitate to call it a "career path," or some similar term, though it technically is), those degrees were necessary to do this work well.
I know what college (even supposed Christian colleges) are, but I'd hate to see conservative culture cloister itself against the arts. We would effectively be saying we have no use for historians, novelists, poets, musicians; even theology and ethics are, in many ways, art forms.
You mean history, creative writing, music, or theology? Most liberal arts universities, I bet. The one I went to offered all of them.
Wide-eyed retard alert. I can sense the, "Are you kidding me!?" vibe from here.
What gets lost in the affirmative action debate is that college itself is driving inequality. If companies could just hire based on jntelligence/ability to learn, things would rapidly even out a lot more. There are smart people in every ethnicity, and being smart alone would guarantee free training from a company leading to a higher paying job.
Similar would happen if there could be legally accepted alternatives to college - I envision intensive training academies to people who are smart/fast learners. 200-1500 hours full time learning a trade, so only takes a few months to like a year and a half.
Griggs vs Duke Power is crushing us all under its stupidity