Will it be worth it, will it even sway any of these people? Anyone who is praising communism or socialism in present day is hopelessly lost, you aren’t going to take a communist and change his mind outside of a helicopter ride.
Same shit with NAZIs, White Supremacists, Black Supremacists, LA RAZA etc. They all allow individuals to hide behind the identity of the group and high acheivers of their group. All these groups align more closely to leftist agenda than right.
People don't understand what risk is. It is NOT fear or worry. It is understanding what can happen, its probability of happening, and its impact if it does happen. Early on, wuflu was a risk. Its probability and impact were not understood or were heavily misrepresented. The original shutdown was based on the unknowns. The sad part is media and liberals have prevented anyone from reevaluating the risk. Which is a standard practice of risk management.
cOViD is not even really a risk for people with working immune systems. It's a mundane coronavirus, no more deadly than all the coronaviruses your body fights every day. Silently, your body's immune system is always at work, always fighting off viruses and infection.
Sometimes your body can't beat it and you get a cold, sometimes you get a more virulent virus like Influenza or Norovirus and you go down for a while, in the case of those two it IS potentially deadly.
For people without the immune response to fight off viruses, any virus can be deadly, which is just a fact of life. That's why people die when they get older. Their bodies become weaker and less capable of fighting off illnesses. Some people hasten this by abusing their bodies. Some people develop illnesses by circumstance and are compromised. For these people, CoViD any virtually any other virus that the rest of us don't even notice we fight off every day can be deadly.
So does that mean when a person gets old we wrap them in a bubble? Really if it's not covid, it's something else right? No, that's not a life for them. They are humans with the need to be around people, to be hugged and treated with dignity. That carries risk, obviously... but nobody gets out of life alive!
Mine is throwing an Octoberfest party this weekend because she wants to drink beer and eat pretzels with friends again. We're all fed up with the expectation we'll live like morlocks while the eloi enjoy their freezers full of $12 ice cream.
More like in all human history. You can go all the way back to when humans were in nomadic tribes and you wouldn’t be able to find a single point where the huge majority of the economy was deemed not important enough and that socializing needs to be limited in this way.
Would be interesting to see polls of Trump supporters vs "Republicans" instead. I know some republicans who are drowning in the kool-aid and only watch fake news. As a liberal who supports Trump, it's an odd situation to have blue-pilled "republican" friends who are too fragile to listen, watch or hear anything that isn't part of the democrat bubble. It's sad and pathetic really.
What drives me nuts is that we don't do this for literally any other disease. Like, what about AIDS? Why is it illegal for me to go outside without a mask, but not illegal for my HIV+ to ride bareback?
Well now that the powers that be know the insane extent of their control over us, you can bet that they will be doing this again in our life time. I’ll give it 20 years before we see the exact same shit.
You'd probably find thats the percent of Republicans that don't have cushy jobs where they can work from home in their PJs. Those are the unemployed and underemployed blue collar workers and small business owners whose lives have suffered greatly. I've said from the start, you want people to start wanting to get back to normal, start furloughing teachers, staff, and administrators. Start laying off or cutting hours of IT staff. Anybody who is sitting at home in their PJs pretending to pay attention to zoom meetings, lay them off. Those numbers will jump back up to near 100% quicker than you can believe.
Good point. I’ve been saying for a while now that these white collar workers are never going to want to go back. They’ve been getting paid the same amount to not have to do shit. Even my family members, who are fully MAGA and hate the lockdowns, are saying they never want to go back.
Tech Pede here - our productivity is about the same for people without children.
For people with children, they are ready for the nightmare to end because they are working a full day of work while watching their kids and then spending the rest of their time with their kids with 0 downtime.
So I don't think your assumption is correct.
I personally think the numbers probably correlate with age.
True, "polled" are those that answer the phone, much more likely to be the ones working from home than people doing there normal work out in the real world.
When you have the whole world doing something its hard not to think twice about it. I see people talking about how this is crazy, we need to open up, its not deadly, (when they have a chance to think logically) but then they turn around and when its time to go somewhere, they avoid it or wear a mask in unnecessary situations. It's like your subconscious doesn't want you to go against the grain. We need more people living their lives, and people will follow suit
Ready to "return to normal" as opposed to what? Who would even answer "no" to that? How is that question not 100% across the board for every demographic? What is wrong with these people?
There are tons of people who love the “new normal”. And they’re on both sides apparently. You are witnessing the biggest economic shift since the industrial revolution. We’re really just at the beginning.
I try not to think about the devastating long-term effects on US economy. How many local businesses gone forever, that will all be replaced by shitty Chinese imports? What a luckly break for China that America is suddenly paralyzed by the Wu Flu in the middle of a trade war that America was winning. How very fucking fortuitous.
If you're concerned for your safety, stay home. Order from online stores for your supplies. Telework. Online school your kids. No shame. But open up the country for everybody else who is willing to take a calculated risk based on age and health.
There are high-health-risk Republicans who will choose to opt out of social contact, as well. Again, I don't know your risk factors - I will respect your choice, no judgment.
They forgot to ask about people who were ready to return to normal activities after the 2 week flatten the curve pitch which most reluctantly agreed to.
How are so many Republicans buying into this crap? That's our problem right there. Democrats over 95 percent unified on the lie. Republicans just over half.
It’s called bias. Probably a mix of both confirmation (wanting to prove your assumption) and selection (selected subjectively.) If sampling bias didn’t occur, we’d have a much more clear indication of all of us wanting to go back to NORMAL.
Yes! This ends when we say it ends! Stop wearing the face diaper, people around you will start to notice, and then maybe one by one others will start taking it off. The more of us who go about being normal, the more others will see they won’t DIE!!!!
Exactly! Many will follow suit if they see more and more.
back in July my state of Oregon “mandated” masks, and I’ll admit I was scared of going in stores at first, didn’t want to cause trouble, but I still did it, and that initial worry of people harassing me subsided when no one said shit
Democratic men and Democratic women tend to be relatively similar in their COVID-19-related attitudes and behaviors. It is also the case that the average Democratic man is more cautious with respect to COVID-19 than the average Republican woman.
Those numbers are way too low folks, grow a set of balls and use your brain. Masks dont protect anybody, the government can't tell you when you can and cant work, and hell will freeze over before i'm forced to mask or take a vaccine!!
Trump needs to give a speech about this.
Will it be worth it, will it even sway any of these people? Anyone who is praising communism or socialism in present day is hopelessly lost, you aren’t going to take a communist and change his mind outside of a helicopter ride.
I don't give a shot. I want him on record giving it for his successor's sake.
Same shit with NAZIs, White Supremacists, Black Supremacists, LA RAZA etc. They all allow individuals to hide behind the identity of the group and high acheivers of their group. All these groups align more closely to leftist agenda than right.
Top 5 comment of the year here ^^^
This is so true. Behind the Left is a basic fear of freedom itself. It turns out many people don't want freedom at all. Only a promise of "security."
This has been the most successful propaganda/gas lighting campaign of the 20th and 21st centuries.
It's utterly pathetic that anyone who has seen the real numbers of infected/ill/dead would not want to be done with this bullshit immediately.
Life is full of risk. COViD is just one more thing that can hurt you, and it's not especially high on the list.
Leftists make a desert and call it peace, or to put another way end human society and call it safe.
Truly. I'm saddened by the number of people who willingly stop living in order to maybe avoid dying. That's not living; it's just not dying.
I love Big Brother!
It took a whole book!
People don't understand what risk is. It is NOT fear or worry. It is understanding what can happen, its probability of happening, and its impact if it does happen. Early on, wuflu was a risk. Its probability and impact were not understood or were heavily misrepresented. The original shutdown was based on the unknowns. The sad part is media and liberals have prevented anyone from reevaluating the risk. Which is a standard practice of risk management.
cOViD is not even really a risk for people with working immune systems. It's a mundane coronavirus, no more deadly than all the coronaviruses your body fights every day. Silently, your body's immune system is always at work, always fighting off viruses and infection.
Sometimes your body can't beat it and you get a cold, sometimes you get a more virulent virus like Influenza or Norovirus and you go down for a while, in the case of those two it IS potentially deadly.
For people without the immune response to fight off viruses, any virus can be deadly, which is just a fact of life. That's why people die when they get older. Their bodies become weaker and less capable of fighting off illnesses. Some people hasten this by abusing their bodies. Some people develop illnesses by circumstance and are compromised. For these people, CoViD any virtually any other virus that the rest of us don't even notice we fight off every day can be deadly.
So does that mean when a person gets old we wrap them in a bubble? Really if it's not covid, it's something else right? No, that's not a life for them. They are humans with the need to be around people, to be hugged and treated with dignity. That carries risk, obviously... but nobody gets out of life alive!
They have my mother terrified but her eyes were never open. She believe all politicians lie but when it came to this she bought into it completely.
Mine is half-way. She is conservative but still consumes too much mainstream media. A slow, steady drop of reality and facts seems to help.
Mine is throwing an Octoberfest party this weekend because she wants to drink beer and eat pretzels with friends again. We're all fed up with the expectation we'll live like morlocks while the eloi enjoy their freezers full of $12 ice cream.
The women in my bible study, on the other hand...
More like in all human history. You can go all the way back to when humans were in nomadic tribes and you wouldn’t be able to find a single point where the huge majority of the economy was deemed not important enough and that socializing needs to be limited in this way.
you're right
Even at 200k I don't care. I grew up being told 500k are killed every year by smoking. So what the fuck does 200k matter when nobody noticed 509k?
agreed
Would be interesting to see polls of Trump supporters vs "Republicans" instead. I know some republicans who are drowning in the kool-aid and only watch fake news. As a liberal who supports Trump, it's an odd situation to have blue-pilled "republican" friends who are too fragile to listen, watch or hear anything that isn't part of the democrat bubble. It's sad and pathetic really.
Probably already had them removed, hence the irrational fear.
What drives me nuts is that we don't do this for literally any other disease. Like, what about AIDS? Why is it illegal for me to go outside without a mask, but not illegal for my HIV+ to ride bareback?
Well now that the powers that be know the insane extent of their control over us, you can bet that they will be doing this again in our life time. I’ll give it 20 years before we see the exact same shit.
You are WAY, WAY too optimistic.
4 years?
Hey, nice username lol.
Some of us want to see the emergency powers used for good before we return to normal
lol Democrats are so dumb
Almost half of Republicans too
You'd probably find thats the percent of Republicans that don't have cushy jobs where they can work from home in their PJs. Those are the unemployed and underemployed blue collar workers and small business owners whose lives have suffered greatly. I've said from the start, you want people to start wanting to get back to normal, start furloughing teachers, staff, and administrators. Start laying off or cutting hours of IT staff. Anybody who is sitting at home in their PJs pretending to pay attention to zoom meetings, lay them off. Those numbers will jump back up to near 100% quicker than you can believe.
Good point. I’ve been saying for a while now that these white collar workers are never going to want to go back. They’ve been getting paid the same amount to not have to do shit. Even my family members, who are fully MAGA and hate the lockdowns, are saying they never want to go back.
Tech Pede here - our productivity is about the same for people without children.
For people with children, they are ready for the nightmare to end because they are working a full day of work while watching their kids and then spending the rest of their time with their kids with 0 downtime.
So I don't think your assumption is correct.
I personally think the numbers probably correlate with age.
Of polled Republicans. It doesn't have any basis on reality.
a fair point
True, "polled" are those that answer the phone, much more likely to be the ones working from home than people doing there normal work out in the real world.
When you have the whole world doing something its hard not to think twice about it. I see people talking about how this is crazy, we need to open up, its not deadly, (when they have a chance to think logically) but then they turn around and when its time to go somewhere, they avoid it or wear a mask in unnecessary situations. It's like your subconscious doesn't want you to go against the grain. We need more people living their lives, and people will follow suit
The real virus is "Chicken Little-itis".
Good points all
Those republican numbers are way too low.
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Control control control. Let it run its fucking course.
Ready to "return to normal" as opposed to what? Who would even answer "no" to that? How is that question not 100% across the board for every demographic? What is wrong with these people?
There are tons of people who love the “new normal”. And they’re on both sides apparently. You are witnessing the biggest economic shift since the industrial revolution. We’re really just at the beginning.
I try not to think about the devastating long-term effects on US economy. How many local businesses gone forever, that will all be replaced by shitty Chinese imports? What a luckly break for China that America is suddenly paralyzed by the Wu Flu in the middle of a trade war that America was winning. How very fucking fortuitous.
If you're concerned for your safety, stay home. Order from online stores for your supplies. Telework. Online school your kids. No shame. But open up the country for everybody else who is willing to take a calculated risk based on age and health.
There are high-health-risk Republicans who will choose to opt out of social contact, as well. Again, I don't know your risk factors - I will respect your choice, no judgment.
They forgot to ask about people who were ready to return to normal activities after the 2 week flatten the curve pitch which most reluctantly agreed to.
Imagine if these pussies ran the country.. holyfuck every other country on Earth would be clamoring to take us over
Bingo.
How are so many Republicans buying into this crap? That's our problem right there. Democrats over 95 percent unified on the lie. Republicans just over half.
It’s called bias. Probably a mix of both confirmation (wanting to prove your assumption) and selection (selected subjectively.) If sampling bias didn’t occur, we’d have a much more clear indication of all of us wanting to go back to NORMAL.
Well I wouldn’t have any idea, because 99% of everyone is a fucking cuck loser still doing this lockdown and mask bullshit.
I’m on a road trip right now, in Amarillo Texas atm, a county that was like 70% Republican if I recall in the midterms. All masks.
STOP PLAYING THE GAME. STOP WEARING THE DAMN MASKS!!
Yes! This ends when we say it ends! Stop wearing the face diaper, people around you will start to notice, and then maybe one by one others will start taking it off. The more of us who go about being normal, the more others will see they won’t DIE!!!!
Exactly! Many will follow suit if they see more and more.
back in July my state of Oregon “mandated” masks, and I’ll admit I was scared of going in stores at first, didn’t want to cause trouble, but I still did it, and that initial worry of people harassing me subsided when no one said shit
Democrats are the party of PUSSIES
So that means roughly 40% of the population still wants masks? Ick.
40% of the population wants to sit at home, and receive unemployment checks for the rest of their lives.
47%
Marxism: not even once
Those Republican numbers are rookie numbers. They gotta pump those up.
libs actually want this to go on forever.
[Poll ] % of women and men who say they are not irrational, emotionally manipulated, fear junkies: ...
No kidding - most dem voters are getting extra $, rent freezes and you can’t get evicted. It’s paradise for leechers.
To paraphrase Thatcher, "until they run out of other peoples money".
Money shot:
Cut off unemployment and do it again.
There are a lot of people on the farm
Lol, my family and I have never ceased normal activities.
Those are incredibly low numbers for any poll. Usually you can ask who's ready to do almost anything and at least 15-20% of people would be up for it.
Democrats are pussies.
Those numbers are way too low folks, grow a set of balls and use your brain. Masks dont protect anybody, the government can't tell you when you can and cant work, and hell will freeze over before i'm forced to mask or take a vaccine!!
Democrats writhing in fear. Not a surprise. They are easily mislead.
Would have liked to see Independents shown.
Commies want free shit for nothing, WOW color me shocked
Democrats = Confused Pussies confirmed.
I get to work from home. I’m loving it.
You gotta pump those numbers up Republicans.
Democrats are officially pussies.
democrats = socialists. it really cant be any clearer these days
They have no "normal" activities.
Further proof the democrats are ruled by emotion alone.