Seriously they just need to stop, regroup and be patient. I mean I actually like them acting like petulant children. It drives the reasonable people away from their party. The orange man bad isn't a political stance with any reasoning.
You missed her move. She's apparently introducing legislation to appoint a committee to use the 25th amendment instead of the VP, cabinet and Senate. That's the trick. Illegal but doesn't mean they won't do it anyway.
Yes, it can be invoked...by the Vice President AND the ranking leadership of an executive department (Cabinet DOJ, DOD, etc) OR the Congress or Senate. Without Pence, this is dead in the water before it starts. Section 4 was written to prevent abuse, that a solid chunk of the leadership of the government is saying the President cannot perform his duties, including his vice President, part of his team.
But without a clear case of the President being incapacitated all Trump has to do is send a letter back saying 'Yeah, no, I'm fine, go fuck yourselves", and it's done.
They can file again, and as long as Trump tells them to shove it up their asses, it's the same result.
The process of invoking Section 4 requires the President being so incapacitated he can't respond, like in a coma, or a bad stroke, or unconscious, or locked in a basement refusing to come out. Or, if the leadership of the government certifies that he's a raving lunatic, and incapable of rational thought - but you'd need a rock solid medical diagnosis for that.
And, all it does is hand the Presidency to Pence for 4 days - who will hand it right back. If it even gets that far.
This is just more time wasting and bullshit to try and get headlines that aren't "Pelosi won't allow stimulus relief to US citizens". It's not serious. That's the only game Pelosi knows, tit-for-tat. This isn't leadership, this is a pissy, nasty old woman being a pissy, nasty old woman.
Then again, part of me wonders if they did infect Trump on purpose. Were they hoping he would be on his deathbed about now so they could force the senate to go along with the 25th amendment?
Even if it's signed into law, it can't be used to overturn an election.
As long as the President is able to raise an objection and declare himself fit for duty, the Cabinet (and/or said committee) cannot force him out. That requires a 2/3rd vote of both the House and the Senate.
"(b) Consideration.—Any refusal by the President to undergo such examination shall be taken into consideration by the Commission in reaching a conclusion in the report under subsection (a)."
Correct. They just want to be able to win the "optics" war to create "reasonable doubt" in the minds of the everyday people where an "independent" commission has declared the President unfit.
Their goal is not to work within the system, as such. Their goal is to destroy the system and put themselves at the top.
Unless Pence and his cabinet are in on it, which I highly doubt, this is useless. The V.P. and the cabinet has to initiate it and even then the President can tell them to piss off.
I've seen enough of Pence to know that he's a man of God and he has standards and morals above all these insane leftists. He would never sign on to this.
They have nothing else, they're desperate. For all the frustration over inaction from the law it's obvious the moves show the Dems got NOTHING to actually win the election anyway and are just throwing shit at the wall.
Why? Why would they need to? The Constitution is clear, in terms of succession. They're not prepping for a Biden win, they're preparing for a complete loss, and they're firing off all ordinance hoping to hit something, even all they have left is ammo cases and packing, not actual ammo.
Their big October Surprise of the kidnapping of Whitmer has failed already. They got nothing. They expended all already. This is what they're down to, hilariously empty threats from a drunk, nasty old woman.
Nah, that's just how all legalese in bills is written. It reminds me of a programming language when they start declaring definitions and overwriting texts in other sections of other bills to change the meaning and such.
Getting hopeful ey Nancy? Biden would immediately sign over the presidency to Heels Up Harris. Make no mistake, this isn't about removing Trump, it's about preps to remove Biden
Biden probably already thinks he is president. What Dems did to him should be elder abuse. He is 78 and can't sniff little kids the way he used to. Sad.
This lady has really lost her mind and doubling down with no chips. Impeachment worked so well so now this after Trump called her bluff to go ahead and impeach him.
I agree. If they win they'll have to work, but if they lose they can keep complaining about how nazi trump is and how they're so holy in fighting against him - and many morons will keep buying it.
This is the Truth, why worry about the 25th if you are confident you’ll win or stand a chance. That 47years 47months theme really got to the heart of sane Americans.
It would appear her strategy is to have Trump sign into law his very undoing. Per the 25th Amendment:
"Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office..."
They need Pence, a majority of the Trumpster's cabinet, >2/3rds of the House, and >2/3rds of the Senate. It's more difficult to oust a president via 25A than it is with impeachment, which only requires a simple House majority and >2/3rds Senate.
It's a stupid piece of theater for ignorant people to be distracted by.
The Democrats want a somebody other than the Vice President to remove Trump. Their plan is to get Trump to pass the bill that gives them the power to remove Trump.
You are right. Without this law Pence would have to agree.
Yeah. It's written that way for a reason. You can't just exclude the VP from tbe process, because he's the one that will have to take the job if it goes through.
You're welcome. It's kinda hard to parse the 25th Amendment. You almost have to resort to diagramming the sentence, like I used to do in grade school (do they still do that?)
Harris and the majority of the cabinet could remove Biden under the 25th. Pelosi is trying to create "such other body" to declare the President unable to discharge his duties. Here is the text from the 25th Amendment:
"Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President."
Yea, I don't really see this making any sense if they were expecting to win the presidency. Or even the house/senate.
They either don't like their odds or are hedging their bet with election invalidation. You wouldn't need a special counsel to tell Biden he's incompetent. Hell he'd probably admit that himself depending on what day it is.
Unless there's another angle we're just not seeing...
Pfft - their donor pool is China. Why do you think Biden Jr. got 1.5 billion? All they have to do is give Whinny the Chinky another call to bolster if they're low ALREADY.
Shit Hillary only spent around 1.2 billion - Trump came in less than half a billion (fact check me).
If Biden still can't finish the last month with more than that - then he's really in trouble. Hell, they didn't even have the expense of a real convention.
This is nothing more than pandering to the far left while alienating independents and undecided voters who will see right through this stunt as dirty politics. Really not seeing the angle here...
Planned Parenthood is at risk (and the money laundering for Dem candidates). Foreign Aid is at risk (and all the money laundering for Uniparty families).
Plus Dems shut down and set fire to their economic base. This is the desperation I would expect to see.
Without the VP's agreement, the 25th Amendment cannot be invoked.
Period, end of discussion.
And even with the VP's agreement, if the President declares he is fit for duty, 2/3rds of both the House and Senate must vote to declare him unfit.
Before that happens, monkeys will fly out of my ass.
The 25th Amendment is really intended to provide for succession if the President is incapacitated. If the President is able to object, the requirements are actually higher than impeachment.
I know you responded to another comment about this, but just to clarify for anyone else reading:
The Speaker of the House, or any other person does not have the sole power to invoke the 25th Amendment.
It requires:
The VP, and
A majority of the Cabinet, or a majority of this "commission".
As proposed, the makeup of this "commission" is interesting:
5 Republicans, 5 Democrats, plus 1 person chosen by majority vote of the other 10 members.
Eight of the ten R/D are chosen by the majority and minority leaders of the House and Senate (2 each). They must all be physicians. Four of them must be psychiatrists.
The remaining two are drawn from people who have previously served President, Vice President, Secretary of State, Attorney General, Secretary of the Treasury, Secretary of Defense, or Surgeon General.
All candidates for the final two spots would be likely be either members of Obama’s administration, or people previously fired by President Trump. Assuming the other 8 tie at 4-4 along partisan lines, these two would ensure that the Commission would reliably come out against the President.
Which would matter, but they'd also have to get Pence to agree with them. The 25th is adamant about this. Nothing can proceed unless the VP says the Pres is unfit for duty and he is willing to take his place. No amount of extra commissions get around that fact.
Trump stands between them and their goal of a One-World Socialist Government, with them in charge and the rest of us nothing but serfs.
They are trying desperately to hold on to their power and wealth and not end up in Gitmo. That's why the stink of panic is getting stronger by the hour.
They already know that Trump is going to win BIG. They can't afford to let the people elect Trump again. It will be the end of the Democrat Party and their gravy train.
The only way Biden wouldn't resign would be if his dementia progressed to the point that he would refuse to resign. Otherwise that's all he has to do to be replaced. Congress doesn't have to do shit, he knows what his job is.
the final nail in the coffin of attempting to completely neuter any elected chief executive in the future who is not a deep state puppet.
They know this wont be in time for Trump unless they win big controlling the senate w veto-proof majorities (very unlikely), but it will be a good safety precaution for future executives to be sure they are safely always under deep state control. No rogues (which is to say any who will dare attempt to represent the public) allowed.
I think they want all branches of government beholden to the Speaker of the House. That way the popular vote nearly guarantees a Democrat controls the government.
This is pure panic. Who is pulling her strings? Who is the real plotter here? If they fail to uphold their end of the Middle East invasion, who comes knocking?
I am not old enough to know an America that taught "civics" in school. Instead I had "Social Studies" where I was taught white guilt over slavery and the importance of granting special rights to correct historical wrongs.
Oh for fucks sake, are you kidding me. My first thought when I read this was sedition, but they must be scared. The President is going to crucify them over this.
It is really sad and pathetic. The Dems have hurt so many. I hope the voter fraud is held in check and we get the leadership we vote for... probably for the first time in my life.
You are so right my friend. They have gone beyond the pale of what's acceptable in this country, causing the greatest strife and damage since the civil war.
They are going to pull this shit while running a candidate that has Parkinson or dementia LMAO LMAO. Trump needs to jump all over this LMAO
LMAO Pelosi is so fucking dumb. I cant wait until the cirrhosis claims her worthless life.
WTF is this crap? Is this legit? Why would they do this and why would they think it would work?
They are trying to keep their splintering base from losing all hope. Fucking funny!!
Pelosi is window-licking stupid. Trump is not signing over the power to remove him.
25th Ammendment can be invoked without the President's consent... But it requires the vice-president, I think.
And the Senate. And most of his cabinet.
Good F'ng luck Nancy. Go ahead and make your party look dumber than they already do. If that's possible.
Seriously they just need to stop, regroup and be patient. I mean I actually like them acting like petulant children. It drives the reasonable people away from their party. The orange man bad isn't a political stance with any reasoning.
"Hold my vodka and watch this." -Nasty Pelosi, probably.
This is going to red pill a lot of moderates. This is the totalitarian fascist shit they have been saying Trump is guilty of.
You missed her move. She's apparently introducing legislation to appoint a committee to use the 25th amendment instead of the VP, cabinet and Senate. That's the trick. Illegal but doesn't mean they won't do it anyway.
Yes, it can be invoked...by the Vice President AND the ranking leadership of an executive department (Cabinet DOJ, DOD, etc) OR the Congress or Senate. Without Pence, this is dead in the water before it starts. Section 4 was written to prevent abuse, that a solid chunk of the leadership of the government is saying the President cannot perform his duties, including his vice President, part of his team.
But without a clear case of the President being incapacitated all Trump has to do is send a letter back saying 'Yeah, no, I'm fine, go fuck yourselves", and it's done.
They can file again, and as long as Trump tells them to shove it up their asses, it's the same result.
The process of invoking Section 4 requires the President being so incapacitated he can't respond, like in a coma, or a bad stroke, or unconscious, or locked in a basement refusing to come out. Or, if the leadership of the government certifies that he's a raving lunatic, and incapable of rational thought - but you'd need a rock solid medical diagnosis for that.
And, all it does is hand the Presidency to Pence for 4 days - who will hand it right back. If it even gets that far.
This is just more time wasting and bullshit to try and get headlines that aren't "Pelosi won't allow stimulus relief to US citizens". It's not serious. That's the only game Pelosi knows, tit-for-tat. This isn't leadership, this is a pissy, nasty old woman being a pissy, nasty old woman.
Then again, part of me wonders if they did infect Trump on purpose. Were they hoping he would be on his deathbed about now so they could force the senate to go along with the 25th amendment?
I put nothing past these leftists anymore.
Plus doesn't pence become president???? Not sure how that helps the commie globohomo agenda
I read this as China trying to pass a Hail Mary.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/1987/text
Read how a committee of congressional losers can overturn an election. Now Pelosi must convince the Senate AND Trump to sign this bill into Law.
Even if it's signed into law, it can't be used to overturn an election.
As long as the President is able to raise an objection and declare himself fit for duty, the Cabinet (and/or said committee) cannot force him out. That requires a 2/3rd vote of both the House and the Senate.
According to the Bill that will never become law:
"(b) Consideration.—Any refusal by the President to undergo such examination shall be taken into consideration by the Commission in reaching a conclusion in the report under subsection (a)."
The commission can invent any rationale they want. It doesn't matter.
If Trump declares he is fit to serve under the 25th Amendment, the commission's decision is moot: the decision goes to the full House and Senate.
The commission cannot rewrite the 25th Amendment.
Correct. They just want to be able to win the "optics" war to create "reasonable doubt" in the minds of the everyday people where an "independent" commission has declared the President unfit.
Their goal is not to work within the system, as such. Their goal is to destroy the system and put themselves at the top.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/1987/text
That is the Bill Pelosi is promoting.
Desperation. They have the real polling info, not the propaganda they keep feeding the public. DNC knows they're in trouble.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/10/pelosi-announce-bill-form-25th-amendment-congressional-commission-study-removing-trump-office/
Unless Pence and his cabinet are in on it, which I highly doubt, this is useless. The V.P. and the cabinet has to initiate it and even then the President can tell them to piss off.
I've seen enough of Pence to know that he's a man of God and he has standards and morals above all these insane leftists. He would never sign on to this.
More useless posturing from the democraps.
Pence did get an envelope at the GHWB funeral.
LMAO while I'm laughing my ass off watching others LTAO
They have nothing else, they're desperate. For all the frustration over inaction from the law it's obvious the moves show the Dems got NOTHING to actually win the election anyway and are just throwing shit at the wall.
Kind of wonder if this is more aimed at replacing Joe with Kamala on Day 3 should he get elected
Joe said Kamala was "day one ready" so that's a hard nah from me dog.
No, all Biden will have to do is resign, if that's what he wants.
If Biden doesn't want to resign and is capable of objecting, it requires a 2/3rd vote of both the House and the Senate to do so.
Why? Why would they need to? The Constitution is clear, in terms of succession. They're not prepping for a Biden win, they're preparing for a complete loss, and they're firing off all ordinance hoping to hit something, even all they have left is ammo cases and packing, not actual ammo.
Their big October Surprise of the kidnapping of Whitmer has failed already. They got nothing. They expended all already. This is what they're down to, hilariously empty threats from a drunk, nasty old woman.
I'm starting to think all her "arrows" have broken suction cups on the heads.
Agreed.
Accuse your enemy of what you are doing to sow confusion.
Part of the plan
Legislation requires a presidential signature. Election posturing.
You are so right.
Just yet another pointless waste of taxpayer money and gives Dems the false impression that Pelosi actually does SOMETHING.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/1987/text
Yup. It's hard to read their bill because it is just that stupid.
Nah, that's just how all legalese in bills is written. It reminds me of a programming language when they start declaring definitions and overwriting texts in other sections of other bills to change the meaning and such.
This is all a distraction, we need to win the senate
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Getting hopeful ey Nancy? Biden would immediately sign over the presidency to Heels Up Harris. Make no mistake, this isn't about removing Trump, it's about preps to remove Biden
Could be. I wonder if Biden knows?
Biden probably already thinks he is president. What Dems did to him should be elder abuse. He is 78 and can't sniff little kids the way he used to. Sad.
I don't think Biden knows much, and what he does is in very short increments
Oh he knows. He knows every time they tell him, for a minute or two, and then they give him his pudding.
Biden said "Kamala is day one ready" which tells me HR 1987 has nothing to do with it.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/1987/text
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/1987/text
Yup, no way is Trump signing this dumpster fire of failure.
This lady has really lost her mind and doubling down with no chips. Impeachment worked so well so now this after Trump called her bluff to go ahead and impeach him.
I'm sure Trump will sign that bill into law... what else do you have Nancy?
Adam Schiff has power of attorney in his head so let’s pack it in and head off to the gulag
I would call shotgun... but yeah... not politically correct.
Another +10 points for POTUS on NOV 3 if they pull this shit.
The Democrats really are trying their absolute best to make it a Trump landslide.
I have to agree. I have never seen such self-destructive behavior done in a more public fashion.
I agree. If they win they'll have to work, but if they lose they can keep complaining about how nazi trump is and how they're so holy in fighting against him - and many morons will keep buying it.
We're screwed if CNN finds out and covers the story.
And sure plays a mean pinball!
So true
They must be way down in their internal polling.
That's what I think too. No reason to pull this shit if they think they're going to win.
But muh feelings
Everybody, together now:
Fuck. Your. Feelings!!!
:)
well played
Lmao right.
Look how fucking desperate they are with literally everything they do.
It's because they're losing big and the only way they win is cheating.
So everything they're doing now is to prime everyone to accept the outcome when they win by cheating
Exactly, that's why they're so low effort and don't care that they have a dementia patient running for pres.
that and they're funneling resources to get the senate so they can remove Trump from office
This is the Truth, why worry about the 25th if you are confident you’ll win or stand a chance. That 47years 47months theme really got to the heart of sane Americans.
That's what I got out all this. This nonsense mixed with the sudden changes to the next debate reek of desperation.
Complete panic.
Stop. Resign. Tell your party to dissolve. The left isnt capable of leadership
Tim Pool will not be kind when he covers this.
I'll be sure to wear my who gives a fuck beanie.
Imma eat some chocolate ice cream.
Imma stick my dick in the mashed potatoes!
Imma stick my mashed potatoes in your dick!
Oh, it's gonna be THAT kind of party?
I got so caught up in the moment.
"Civil war. I know I've said it before! But seriously what is this shit."
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/1987/text
If this were an assignment... high school teachers would fail it.
I call that version 'black-pill Tim'
Eh, "totally going to be a civil war" is a Colin-Kaepernik-black pill.
"There won't be a civil war, and the left will continue to take and hold progressively more ground until you die." is the real black pill.
I don't think you know what a 'black pill' is.
Literally they have the branches of government to avoid shit like this.
Maybe they can create a congressional supreme court oversight committee as well.
These Dems are really going to hate 2021.
FAFO
Lol. Good luck Bitch. 35 states. Must amend CONSTITUTION.😂🤣😂🤣😂
It would appear her strategy is to have Trump sign into law his very undoing. Per the 25th Amendment:
"Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office..."
Oh thank goodness you said this. CIVICS FOR THE WIN.
I'm not American, don't know the constitution very well, but to me that looks like Pence would need to agree?
They need Pence, a majority of the Trumpster's cabinet, >2/3rds of the House, and >2/3rds of the Senate. It's more difficult to oust a president via 25A than it is with impeachment, which only requires a simple House majority and >2/3rds Senate.
It's a stupid piece of theater for ignorant people to be distracted by.
It's a multi-step process:
The Democrats want a somebody other than the Vice President to remove Trump. Their plan is to get Trump to pass the bill that gives them the power to remove Trump.
You are right. Without this law Pence would have to agree.
Ahh right, so the body she's proposing they create would override what's written in the constitution.... and Trump can just say no?
I don't really understand why they'd even bother.
Fund raising.
Even with this law, Pence has to agree. You have to parse the 25th Amendment carefully:
(VP and (Cabinet or Congressional commission))
There is no way to bypass Pence, without removing him first.
SOLID! I stand corrected good sir.
Yeah. It's written that way for a reason. You can't just exclude the VP from tbe process, because he's the one that will have to take the job if it goes through.
How on earth would it be his undoing? He looks like he’s doing fine.
It gives Congress the power of the 25th amendment to remove a president without impeaching him.
Here is the text of their bill. It's stupid. They need Trump to sign it. They are stupid.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/1987/text
I posted the full process under the 25th Amendment here:
https://thedonald.win/p/Hr6EmqjW/x/c/17teJ9FbE6
Even with the proposed bill, it is harder to involuntarily remove the President through the 25th Amendment than via impeachment.
That was the intent.
Thank you for setting me straight on this. I actually feel better.
You're welcome. It's kinda hard to parse the 25th Amendment. You almost have to resort to diagramming the sentence, like I used to do in grade school (do they still do that?)
I feel screwed. I was never taught to diagram sentences in grade school. I am grateful you took the time to help educate me today.
Trump should sign it and call her bluff.
As someone else has pointed out, it requires the cooperation of the VP (Pence).
But there's a "circuit breaker": all Trump has to do is declare himself fit for duty. Unless he is incapacitated, you can be sure he will do so.
Once he does that, Congress has about 3 weeks to hold a vote, and it requires a 2/3rd vote of both the House and the Senate to override him.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/1987/text
The proposed legislation bypasses Pence. Trump can refuse to be examined and still removed. Zero chance this will become law.
No, Trump should NOT sign that.
This isn’t to remove Trump it’s to remove Biden. We always have known Harris is the actual Democrat candidate.
Harris and the majority of the cabinet could remove Biden under the 25th. Pelosi is trying to create "such other body" to declare the President unable to discharge his duties. Here is the text from the 25th Amendment:
"Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President."
Yea, I don't really see this making any sense if they were expecting to win the presidency. Or even the house/senate.
They either don't like their odds or are hedging their bet with election invalidation. You wouldn't need a special counsel to tell Biden he's incompetent. Hell he'd probably admit that himself depending on what day it is.
Unless there's another angle we're just not seeing...
I think the Dems shut down and set fire to their economic base and the donor pool dried up.
It would make sense to me if they created a fake crisis just to raise money.
Pfft - their donor pool is China. Why do you think Biden Jr. got 1.5 billion? All they have to do is give Whinny the Chinky another call to bolster if they're low ALREADY.
Shit Hillary only spent around 1.2 billion - Trump came in less than half a billion (fact check me).
If Biden still can't finish the last month with more than that - then he's really in trouble. Hell, they didn't even have the expense of a real convention.
Hey hey man not cool
that is not at all cool
Is China hurting now tho? I feel like it's almost impossible to tell with our media being fake and theirs being super fake
So they have nothing.
Nothing.
Here is their sad bill:
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/1987/text
The proposed legislation allows the Speaker of the House to remove a sitting president. This is full-on stupid.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/1987/text
Still needs Pence doesn't it?
Even if they create "such other body", that body would still need Pence to agree with them in order to make it happen.
Wtf is their game with this?
This is nothing more than pandering to the far left while alienating independents and undecided voters who will see right through this stunt as dirty politics. Really not seeing the angle here...
Gotta be fundraising. The Dems literally shut down then set fire to their base.
That's all I have for an end-game. It should be called the "muh feelings bill."
Except that all that BLM money went to them. They aren't hurting.
Planned Parenthood is at risk (and the money laundering for Dem candidates). Foreign Aid is at risk (and all the money laundering for Uniparty families).
Plus Dems shut down and set fire to their economic base. This is the desperation I would expect to see.
This is how civil war starts.
There is zero chance this makes it into law.
Maybe not but everything this witch does is with zero regard for the people who elected Trump.
What a fucking moron. Talk about fiddling while Rome burns. And yeah Nero started the fire just like this hacks.
absolute desperation
It is really sad to see. It is so pathetic.
They know if we win they will finally have to face justice.
It is indeed. A declaration by one branch where the other branches look over and say... why don't you just pipe down.
This is nothing but political bullshit.
Without the VP's agreement, the 25th Amendment cannot be invoked.
Period, end of discussion.
And even with the VP's agreement, if the President declares he is fit for duty, 2/3rds of both the House and Senate must vote to declare him unfit.
Before that happens, monkeys will fly out of my ass.
The 25th Amendment is really intended to provide for succession if the President is incapacitated. If the President is able to object, the requirements are actually higher than impeachment.
Pelosi wants this Bill to get signed (by the Senate/Trump) into law giving her the power to invoke the 25th:
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/1987/text
I know you responded to another comment about this, but just to clarify for anyone else reading:
The Speaker of the House, or any other person does not have the sole power to invoke the 25th Amendment.
It requires:
As proposed, the makeup of this "commission" is interesting:
5 Republicans, 5 Democrats, plus 1 person chosen by majority vote of the other 10 members.
Eight of the ten R/D are chosen by the majority and minority leaders of the House and Senate (2 each). They must all be physicians. Four of them must be psychiatrists.
The remaining two are drawn from people who have previously served President, Vice President, Secretary of State, Attorney General, Secretary of the Treasury, Secretary of Defense, or Surgeon General.
All candidates for the final two spots would be likely be either members of Obama’s administration, or people previously fired by President Trump. Assuming the other 8 tie at 4-4 along partisan lines, these two would ensure that the Commission would reliably come out against the President.
The proposed bill provides for one to be appointed by the Democrats on the committee, and one to be appointed by the Republicans.
It pretty much guarantees a 5-5 split unless there is clear reason the President cannot serve.
The commission chair would be the tie-breaker. But, the 5-5 split would have to be resolved first, to choose the chair.
Which would matter, but they'd also have to get Pence to agree with them. The 25th is adamant about this. Nothing can proceed unless the VP says the Pres is unfit for duty and he is willing to take his place. No amount of extra commissions get around that fact.
I'm sure the fence sitters will see this as fair-minded. /s
I really hope she does this.
I guess we have an answer to how bad the democrats internal polling is going.
... And use it to remove Trump three weeks from and election? Ex post facto much?
Anybody have the fundraising text messages or emails yet? I bet they are going to rake in a fortune on this.
It's virtually impossible to remove a president this way. 100x harder than impeachment.
Exactly.
I don’t understand their strategy here. Is it just to avoid prison because they are all so corrupt?
I assume it's for money or power. They need the Senate and Trump to give them more power... so it's gotta be money.
Trump stands between them and their goal of a One-World Socialist Government, with them in charge and the rest of us nothing but serfs.
They are trying desperately to hold on to their power and wealth and not end up in Gitmo. That's why the stink of panic is getting stronger by the hour.
So because a person got sick and recovered they’re trying this nonsense?
Sad isn't it?
Seems a little like election interference to me but what do I know
The Democrats would NEVER collude or interfere with any election. Not with China, or Ukraine, or with Russia, England, and definitely not Italy.
Hold on... somebody is handing me a note.
Dead.
On.
Arrival.
Thanks for trying Crazy Nanshy! We can smell your desperation from here. As well as your vodka breath and old lady stink.
Right?!?!? This is just stupid.
Is there another bombshell coming tomorrow?
Could be a nice media spectacle to try and hide something else behind.
The only reason to hold a press-conference cliff hanger is to go fund raise.
This is just sad.
This is all I found. It's more sad than I was expecting.
Nancy may need to get mental evaluation. She has lost it.
Polident is supposed to make sure she doesn't lose anything.
Bad move on their part. This reeks of desperation. Their internal polls must be terrible if they're pulling such a stunt.
Agree. This is not a play somebody makes when winning YUGE.
Just going to leave this here
https://thedonald.win/p/Hr1Y73Ze/official-statement-by-speaker-of/c/
That is hysterical!
They already know that Trump is going to win BIG. They can't afford to let the people elect Trump again. It will be the end of the Democrat Party and their gravy train.
I hope Trump wins so big it hurts.
Hopefully we get more context tomorrow. All I have to go on is what she said in 2017 regarding the 25th amendment.
The only way Biden wouldn't resign would be if his dementia progressed to the point that he would refuse to resign. Otherwise that's all he has to do to be replaced. Congress doesn't have to do shit, he knows what his job is.
Trump needs to be very smart here.
I do not think for a second Nancy believes Trump will sign this or that the bill will go anywhere with a Republican majority.
So that means one of two scenarios:
She is doing it just to throw Trump off and distract him.
She believes Biden/Harris will win and she's planning on having them pass it so Kamala will become de-facto president.
why bother when Biden is 99% in the polls??? /s
RIGHT?!?!?! Presidents always win when way up in the polls with only three weeks left before the election.
Hold on... somebody is handing me a note.
Arrest her now.
Or give her more tax-payer funded booze
Yet they do it so well these days.
My whole life Dems were above the law. Now b/c of one man everything has changed. It wont last forever. I am going to enjoy it while it lasts.
the final nail in the coffin of attempting to completely neuter any elected chief executive in the future who is not a deep state puppet.
They know this wont be in time for Trump unless they win big controlling the senate w veto-proof majorities (very unlikely), but it will be a good safety precaution for future executives to be sure they are safely always under deep state control. No rogues (which is to say any who will dare attempt to represent the public) allowed.
I think they want all branches of government beholden to the Speaker of the House. That way the popular vote nearly guarantees a Democrat controls the government.
interesting concept - kinda a backdoor way of negating the electoral college, since the frontal assault isnt going to work
It's TREASON THEN.
Finally, a story worthy of my username.
You're either with Trump, OR a treasonous whore.
My God have mercy on their treasonous souls.
OMG I love you man!
Someone bring sedition charges.... getting tired of these antics.
The complete lack of shame is just amazing to me. Plus Pelosi teased it for her briefing tomorrow! What a waste of time.
This is pure panic. Who is pulling her strings? Who is the real plotter here? If they fail to uphold their end of the Middle East invasion, who comes knocking?
Site wants a civil war. Everyone get ready to rock and roll.
I think she wants to raise money off this. The plan is too stupid to work.
Or an election in 3 weeks. Now if Dems say it's too dangerous to vote in person b/c of COVID... then I really do fear for everybody's safety.
She's really encouraging crazy idiots to shoot her. Pulling this kind of insurrection crap while there's riots and a pandemic. Brilliant.
Only a lush could think of something so moronic.
Her stunt is so incredibly dangerous with zero chance of success... yet here we are. I dunno either.
Where is this from?
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/1987/text
Democrat fantasy fan fiction as documented in H.R. 1987.
Trump is about to prove Joe is a criminal and they know it. Get ready.
They saved me the trouble of finding the mailing address for my COVID stool sample.
Wouldn't pass the Senate. What a stupid publicity stunt, but then again it's the world's biggest cunt trying to pull it off so not really surprised
The most amazing thing about something stupid like this is there is a portion of the American public who believes this shit. Sad.
I am not old enough to know an America that taught "civics" in school. Instead I had "Social Studies" where I was taught white guilt over slavery and the importance of granting special rights to correct historical wrongs.
If it helps, I homeschooled my kids and they learned civics.
You are a rock star! That is so awesome!
Do it Nancy! Do it!
This smells of desperation.
Reeks of Polident and Jack Daniels.
This bitch is so slow. Trump has already recovered.
Use Trump's antibodies for the Vaccine!
Oh for fucks sake, are you kidding me. My first thought when I read this was sedition, but they must be scared. The President is going to crucify them over this.
It is really sad and pathetic. The Dems have hurt so many. I hope the voter fraud is held in check and we get the leadership we vote for... probably for the first time in my life.
" The Dems have hurt so many,"
You are so right my friend. They have gone beyond the pale of what's acceptable in this country, causing the greatest strife and damage since the civil war.