FWIW I have seen and heard enough from Barr to trust in his intent, if not his ability.
I think to a large extent he faces massive insubordination at all levels of the DOJ, and I have seen him specifically say that for criminal prosecutions he has to very carefully cross Ts and dot Is, if he doesnt, prosecutions are likely to be labeled political (from fair minded independent observers), and we simply cant have that.
I actually agree with giving the system a wide berth, even though it frustrates and infuriates me. Im not looking to sell my soul to do political persecutions like they did - I am not personally looking to become like THEM. I know some people disagree with this.
These are NOT political persecutions. They have more than enough evidence to not only prosecute but to CONVICT. I am convinced they strung us all along this entire 4 years on purpose praying Trump doesn't get a second term. The deep state has won and that includes Barr.
well first off, I hate to break the bad news, but the deep state won many decades ago when they offed JFK. They havent relinquished control since.
As for having a functional DOJ at all that an actual elected chief executive CAN reform, its not as cut and dried as that, it doesnt happen the way you want it to, because it has to not even have the APPEARANCE of a political prosecution, and that is a very difficult thing to build. As I said, they ave to dot I's and cross T's like a motherfucker. Barr has said this publicly.
They ARE getting some done (Clinesmith), they WILL get more done I am confident. Before the election? I dont know and I dont care, if you care then again you are mixing justice with politics, which is what got us here in the first place.
Again, they have had 4 YEARS and have an avalanche of evidence that they could easily prosecute. I think you need to wake up and understand that you have been had. At this point, who cares if it looks political? This is a hail mary pass that we need to throw and pray it wakes up enough Americans to the truths so we can save our country. I'm not mixing justice with politics, I'm looking at good vs. evil, capitalism vs. communism, Patriotis vs. traitors.
If this were the Dems, you know they would be prosecuting their asses off as they have already done on actual innocent people (Flynn, Stone, impeachment, Russian Collusion etc. etc.) Don't you understand that if Biden is elected they are kicking Barr out, replacing him with someone like Holder, if not actually Holder. All investigations into deep state will stop immediately. There will be no more prosecutions. Clinesmith was one guy who they are using as a scapegoat.
I agree they won when JFK was assassinated. However we are not a communist /socialist country yet and need to fight back. The first thing is to identify who the swamp creatures are on both sides and through all his non-actions Barr is one of them. These people need to be called out for their inaction. People's names who are holding up these prosecutions need to be made public.
Just look at the last 4 years and see what has really been going on. The deep state has been working overtime to stall us until the election. The Dems have been doing investigation after investigation, impeachment, riots, etc. etc. and the Republicans have been slow walking prosecutions they have actual evidence for and slow walking with investigations like Horowitz and Durham. Now the Republicans aren't even going to confirm the guy Trump put up for the FCC! I know you want to think not so you can sleep at night but it is time to wake up!
Listen, I thought the way you thought for years as well but I am finally understand that this is all just a stall tactic to get us to the election where they are planning on stealing it with mail in ballots. Their last hope is to just create the illusion of an unfair election so that civil war breaks out. Once that happens, everyone will forget about their misdeeds and no one will be held accountable.
Hey, I'm with you, I want Barr to get off his ass too.
But I dont agree with comparing what we do with what the Dems have done. Their behavior is leading to loss after electoral loss (except for the fraud). We dont want to act like them, we dont want to be like them.
OTOH I agree that MOST of the GOP powers that be are intentionally slow walking EVERYTHING because ll they care about is themselves and they are hedging their bets. If Trump loses the election, they dont want to be on the chopping block. Obvious people like barr will be but thousands wont be so obvious, and anyone who can push off removing their mask until AFTER the election ios doing so out of self preservation. Its like people who will VOTE Trump but dont talk about it vocally beforehand. Same concept.
Now I AGREE Barr should have gotten MORE done. I dont know what to make just yet, but I have seen him in interviews and know of his actions the first time he was AG. I honestly feel like he is an INSTITUTIONALIST, but an honest and ethical one. When he talked about being very thorough and methodical with the investigations, I actually agreed with that. He hasnt had 4 years, remember we dealt with Sessions - Barr has had less than 2 years - and I agree he could have done more but christ sakes, he heads a MASSIVE snakepit. He has Im sure a million fires to put out EVERY DAY.
So give him a break and a chance. YES, I want more shit out before the election, but dont think stuff he could do or put out will matter electorally anyways. MSM will spin it no matter what, Trumps base is always voting trump, the Trump hate zombies arent.
the ONLY thing that matter in this election is fraud. Their legitimate votes will not even come close to Trump. Massive landslide EXCEPT for fraud, which is the fly in the ointment.
My own feeling is everyone in the DOJ from Barr on down should be concerned with THAT (preventing fraud). Its the only true issue. IF we beat that, Trump wins. If Trump wins, we can deal with what Barr should be doing and how fast.
Obviously I could be wrong - but I knew Sessions was a turd from jump.
But w Barr, I think from what he has said and done thus far he has earned a right to continue to serve at Trumps pleasure, which is his appointment. Remember both Barr and Trump are vested in keeping an APPEARANCE of arms length independence for the DOJ, and I think that is appropriate.
The globalist uniparty opposition already screeches about Barr being Trumps own personal cop, it serves the nation to know Barr is independent and the DOJ objective. Lots of people forget that we arent just fighting for the bext thing for our party,we are fighting to MAGA, not to MRGA (make republicans great again).
To do that, we need all Americans on board with the legitimacy of the DOJ and our institutions even if they politically disagree. It works AGAINST us to go down the same path they have and politicize these institutions for short term political gain.
I believe there WILL be justice, but not on a political timetable. And it may not result in criminal prosecutions that some people want to see - because you have to remember that laws are intentionally crafted to ber very vague when it comes to activities that can be construed as actions meant in good faith - take for example russiagate itself.
Comey is on record in the last month as saying, point blank, that he HAD to investigate the russia links, it would have been actionable malfeasance NOT to. It doesnt matter that this is a lie, what matters is that the letter ofthe law supports these grey area assertions. You have to just accept this.
Its like Al Capone only getting convicted of tax evasion, when everyone knew his crimes were orders of magnitudes greater. You have to give the DOJ the chance to make the cases they can make, and those may not be what you hope or expect or seem correct from a common sense what-we-know standpoint. Im sorry to bring reality to you, but thats what it is.
The laws ARE that way because we DONT WANT a bana republic where piolitical figures are thrown into gulags - LIKE WE HAVE SEEN DONE THE LAST 3 YEARS - so the choice is being like them, or rejecting that and being the Constitutional Republic patriots that we are and going back to the system of justice where the results might be slow or seem lenient, but we stay strict to what we can prove and only actions that have well-documented criminal intent.
I realize thats not a popular opinion - and I DO THINK we will see more criminal prosecutions from all this, just not on the election-based timeline people want. Believe me, Im as frustrated as everyone else. I just think Barr is doing the best he can.
FWIW I have seen and heard enough from Barr to trust in his intent, if not his ability.
I think to a large extent he faces massive insubordination at all levels of the DOJ, and I have seen him specifically say that for criminal prosecutions he has to very carefully cross Ts and dot Is, if he doesnt, prosecutions are likely to be labeled political (from fair minded independent observers), and we simply cant have that.
I actually agree with giving the system a wide berth, even though it frustrates and infuriates me. Im not looking to sell my soul to do political persecutions like they did - I am not personally looking to become like THEM. I know some people disagree with this.
These are NOT political persecutions. They have more than enough evidence to not only prosecute but to CONVICT. I am convinced they strung us all along this entire 4 years on purpose praying Trump doesn't get a second term. The deep state has won and that includes Barr.
People will excuse away anything in order to not get their hands "dirty".
well first off, I hate to break the bad news, but the deep state won many decades ago when they offed JFK. They havent relinquished control since.
As for having a functional DOJ at all that an actual elected chief executive CAN reform, its not as cut and dried as that, it doesnt happen the way you want it to, because it has to not even have the APPEARANCE of a political prosecution, and that is a very difficult thing to build. As I said, they ave to dot I's and cross T's like a motherfucker. Barr has said this publicly.
They ARE getting some done (Clinesmith), they WILL get more done I am confident. Before the election? I dont know and I dont care, if you care then again you are mixing justice with politics, which is what got us here in the first place.
Again, they have had 4 YEARS and have an avalanche of evidence that they could easily prosecute. I think you need to wake up and understand that you have been had. At this point, who cares if it looks political? This is a hail mary pass that we need to throw and pray it wakes up enough Americans to the truths so we can save our country. I'm not mixing justice with politics, I'm looking at good vs. evil, capitalism vs. communism, Patriotis vs. traitors.
If this were the Dems, you know they would be prosecuting their asses off as they have already done on actual innocent people (Flynn, Stone, impeachment, Russian Collusion etc. etc.) Don't you understand that if Biden is elected they are kicking Barr out, replacing him with someone like Holder, if not actually Holder. All investigations into deep state will stop immediately. There will be no more prosecutions. Clinesmith was one guy who they are using as a scapegoat.
I agree they won when JFK was assassinated. However we are not a communist /socialist country yet and need to fight back. The first thing is to identify who the swamp creatures are on both sides and through all his non-actions Barr is one of them. These people need to be called out for their inaction. People's names who are holding up these prosecutions need to be made public.
Just look at the last 4 years and see what has really been going on. The deep state has been working overtime to stall us until the election. The Dems have been doing investigation after investigation, impeachment, riots, etc. etc. and the Republicans have been slow walking prosecutions they have actual evidence for and slow walking with investigations like Horowitz and Durham. Now the Republicans aren't even going to confirm the guy Trump put up for the FCC! I know you want to think not so you can sleep at night but it is time to wake up!
Listen, I thought the way you thought for years as well but I am finally understand that this is all just a stall tactic to get us to the election where they are planning on stealing it with mail in ballots. Their last hope is to just create the illusion of an unfair election so that civil war breaks out. Once that happens, everyone will forget about their misdeeds and no one will be held accountable.
Hey, I'm with you, I want Barr to get off his ass too.
But I dont agree with comparing what we do with what the Dems have done. Their behavior is leading to loss after electoral loss (except for the fraud). We dont want to act like them, we dont want to be like them.
OTOH I agree that MOST of the GOP powers that be are intentionally slow walking EVERYTHING because ll they care about is themselves and they are hedging their bets. If Trump loses the election, they dont want to be on the chopping block. Obvious people like barr will be but thousands wont be so obvious, and anyone who can push off removing their mask until AFTER the election ios doing so out of self preservation. Its like people who will VOTE Trump but dont talk about it vocally beforehand. Same concept.
Now I AGREE Barr should have gotten MORE done. I dont know what to make just yet, but I have seen him in interviews and know of his actions the first time he was AG. I honestly feel like he is an INSTITUTIONALIST, but an honest and ethical one. When he talked about being very thorough and methodical with the investigations, I actually agreed with that. He hasnt had 4 years, remember we dealt with Sessions - Barr has had less than 2 years - and I agree he could have done more but christ sakes, he heads a MASSIVE snakepit. He has Im sure a million fires to put out EVERY DAY.
So give him a break and a chance. YES, I want more shit out before the election, but dont think stuff he could do or put out will matter electorally anyways. MSM will spin it no matter what, Trumps base is always voting trump, the Trump hate zombies arent.
the ONLY thing that matter in this election is fraud. Their legitimate votes will not even come close to Trump. Massive landslide EXCEPT for fraud, which is the fly in the ointment.
My own feeling is everyone in the DOJ from Barr on down should be concerned with THAT (preventing fraud). Its the only true issue. IF we beat that, Trump wins. If Trump wins, we can deal with what Barr should be doing and how fast.
well the ONLY thing that will keep from a Trump electoral landslide is fraud.
THAT we should be spending ALL our resources on.
Obviously I could be wrong - but I knew Sessions was a turd from jump.
But w Barr, I think from what he has said and done thus far he has earned a right to continue to serve at Trumps pleasure, which is his appointment. Remember both Barr and Trump are vested in keeping an APPEARANCE of arms length independence for the DOJ, and I think that is appropriate.
The globalist uniparty opposition already screeches about Barr being Trumps own personal cop, it serves the nation to know Barr is independent and the DOJ objective. Lots of people forget that we arent just fighting for the bext thing for our party,we are fighting to MAGA, not to MRGA (make republicans great again).
To do that, we need all Americans on board with the legitimacy of the DOJ and our institutions even if they politically disagree. It works AGAINST us to go down the same path they have and politicize these institutions for short term political gain.
I believe there WILL be justice, but not on a political timetable. And it may not result in criminal prosecutions that some people want to see - because you have to remember that laws are intentionally crafted to ber very vague when it comes to activities that can be construed as actions meant in good faith - take for example russiagate itself.
Comey is on record in the last month as saying, point blank, that he HAD to investigate the russia links, it would have been actionable malfeasance NOT to. It doesnt matter that this is a lie, what matters is that the letter ofthe law supports these grey area assertions. You have to just accept this.
Its like Al Capone only getting convicted of tax evasion, when everyone knew his crimes were orders of magnitudes greater. You have to give the DOJ the chance to make the cases they can make, and those may not be what you hope or expect or seem correct from a common sense what-we-know standpoint. Im sorry to bring reality to you, but thats what it is.
The laws ARE that way because we DONT WANT a bana republic where piolitical figures are thrown into gulags - LIKE WE HAVE SEEN DONE THE LAST 3 YEARS - so the choice is being like them, or rejecting that and being the Constitutional Republic patriots that we are and going back to the system of justice where the results might be slow or seem lenient, but we stay strict to what we can prove and only actions that have well-documented criminal intent.
I realize thats not a popular opinion - and I DO THINK we will see more criminal prosecutions from all this, just not on the election-based timeline people want. Believe me, Im as frustrated as everyone else. I just think Barr is doing the best he can.