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brassmule 151 points ago +152 / -1

Yup. Gun drawn and no mace in the air.

The other image shows the shell casing ejecting and the slide moving forward, with mace in the air having not yet reached the shooter.

It does appear that the deceased individual attempted to mace the shooter, who already had his gun drawn out, to try to prevent himself from getting shot.

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AtomicShnoz 94 points ago +95 / -1

where are the people he is supposed to be protecting?

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brassmule 68 points ago +69 / -1

Exactly! Is it the other guy in the video who is telling people to "mace me nigga" etc? Is it the photographer who took the photo of him shooting this guy?

Two 9news employees were arrested so it'll be curious to see which one was which.

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DrugsAndKnowledge 19 points ago +20 / -1

ENQUIRING MINDS WANNA KNOW!

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donalds_dong 7 points ago +8 / -1

So the image on this post is after the shot was fired. Not before. It’s the last frame on the video of the footage

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Dontthreadonme2020 1 point ago +1 / -0

Police have video footage from security cams. They know already

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The_Huscarl 10 points ago +14 / -4

Arrested and detained are two different things. We should give this 24-48 hours to shake out before we draw conclusions. While it's generally the left that initiates stupid games and stupid prizes (and I'm confident this will be the case again) it's not a guarantee that's what happened this time.

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RedditIs4Retards 10 points ago +11 / -1

He was supposed to be protecting the guy with the orange backpack who clearly didn't need protecting in that situation. He was away from the confrontation the entire time. Mace guy approached him due to the fact he was already brandishing his gun.

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xxxMAGA420xxx 9 points ago +9 / -0

This almost looks like a set up.

Get an agitator to draw the attention of all cameras.

Then cause an off-camera shooting of a "violent white supremacist"

Unfortunately for them, it's difficult to control what cameras capture. Even professional magicians and hypnotists struggle with controlling perception, how is some local news reporter going to accomplish the same thing.

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Antemalagon 2 points ago +2 / -0

Agreed, honestly any other time I might not believe this but this year has just been the left lying , manipulating, and orchestrating out their ass to either keep establishment in charge or start a civil war. The hypocrisy and psychological projection are real when poops himself biden is trying to accuse Trump of stealing the election. It's 100% clear the left is cheating but they project all their unacceptible behavior on to everyone else.

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ShiffsDeadHooker 3 points ago +3 / -0

Apparently 9NEWS hired antifa muscle for months now to "keep them safe" as they provided propaganda for the local community. Neat.

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PraiseBeToScience 2 points ago +2 / -0

The skinny-legged faggot in the background with the knee braces is the 9News producer.

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zoober_floober 32 points ago +33 / -1

The other image shows the shell casing ejecting and the slide moving forward, with mace in the air having not yet reached the shooter.

So, his "I didn't deliberately pull the trigger, I flinched from the mace!" excuse is out the window.

Excellent.

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brassmule 35 points ago +36 / -1

Yes. It's a bit sobering to ponder that the image of the shooting we'er all seeing actually has the bullet that kills the man still in flight. Somewhere in there is the projectile about to hit that man's face and end his life. Zooming in shows the shell casing ejecting and the lack of barrel tilt, to me, indicates the slide is moving forward to return to battery.

As John Correia from ASP routinely points it, making sure your spiritual fitness is up to date is equally as important as your mental and physical fitness. No man knows the day or hour, and this man didn't know today would be his last, when he left home for this event.

Always be prepared for the rest of your life and the afterlife, pedes.

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Boruzu 4 points ago +4 / -0

A to the MEN, brother.

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PeteButtplug -2 points ago +1 / -3

Faith is more than repeating words. People need to understand their desperate condition and realize their incapability of rescuing themselves. The prayer- the mental commitment to what your prayer states- is absolutely necessary, but a heart unprepared is like a seed that falls on the path and springs up quickly only to whither.

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MAGANYficent 6 points ago +6 / -0

The left glass of the deceased Patriot Prayer's mirrored shades are not reflective anything. Which means to me they are broken (from the bullet.)

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brassmule 3 points ago +3 / -0

Hmm. I saw an image of the deceased that looked like it was the right side of his face which was injured, however.

It's difficult to tell, we may not see a reflection because of the angle the image was taken from and the glasses being in shadow.

Edit: I speculated earlier that the initial image we've all seen shows blood on the hand of the deceased.

That appears to be correct based on a new image: https://i.imgur.com/esrfwUj.jpg. It looks like the bullet passed through one of his fingers/some of the flesh of his hand before striking his face.

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Vivadiscordia 6 points ago +6 / -0

The orange on his hand is the mace.

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brassmule 2 points ago +2 / -0

Okay, after looking at the second image more closely, I think you are correct: it's not blood, it's some of the bear spray getting on his hand. That seems a much more logical explanation.

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MAGANYficent 1 point ago +2 / -1

I thought the same, but they are mirrored shades. So they would have picked up light reflecting from other objects in front and to the left of him instead of being completely black.

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brassmule 5 points ago +5 / -0

NSFL link: https://thedonald.win/p/HrFU8vWF/nsfl-rest-in-peace-to-the-patrio/c/

It looks like the right side of his face that was hit, around his cheek. That lines up with the projectile hitting/grazing his right hand.

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CNN_is_ISIS 2 points ago +2 / -0

If you look at the space between the victim's right hand and his face, there appears to be a trail through the cloud of pepper spray? I would expect to see some mist from his hand though if a bullet had just passed through his fingers, so IDK.

Edit: Eh, I guess that trail is actually a reflection in a window in the background.

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Thrasymachus 4 points ago +4 / -0

While that logically seems like it must be true, by that time the bullet would have already hit the victim.

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RonSwanson1776 1 point ago +1 / -0

hate to tell you, but that bullet had already impacted the victim long before the casing was ever extracted from the chamber. i believe this is why the mace is so off target. to me it looks like it is sprayed well to the shooter's right, toward the fencing.

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Antemalagon 1 point ago +1 / -0

Even if he "flinched" that's no fucking excuse. Any responsible gun owner would not draw on mace. That's straight negligent homicide at best but with the agitation involved I'd give both guys (news guys) the death penalty for premeditated.

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PeteButtplug -1 points ago +2 / -3

Yeah, you can't make an argument for self defense against a can of pepper spray. Except in clown world. He'll walk.

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lumpster 31 points ago +32 / -1

TIL bullets: faster than aerosol spray...also harder

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HeyBlinkin 13 points ago +13 / -0

In the video you can hear the mace a millisecond before the shot. This picture also proves there was a good bit of distance when the gun was drawn. He had no reason to fear for his life.

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TD_Covfefe_Crusader 23 points ago +23 / -0

The guy with the gun was also advancing, not retreating. This was straight up murder, execution style.

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brassmule 12 points ago +12 / -0

It does seem like the deceased was moving away and turned just before the shot to spray the bear spray. His feet and legs are in the process of turning in the video, and in the picture we're all seeing, he's almost completed the turn - his right foot is about to plant forward, and he's milliseconds from being hit, with the projectile already in the air between them.

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Jaqen 7 points ago +7 / -0

Shooter was strafing left, as can be seen in the rear angle video, despite it being from a distance and low res. Quite the shot to make while moving.

That video also shows the gun is drawn and pointed before the mace is used.

The deceased was advancing towards the shooter, after having just walked away from the "mace me nigga" loudmouth guy. That much is clear from the up close video, but it did not capture the actual shooting in the frame.

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RonSwanson1776 1 point ago +1 / -0

sadly, the bullet had already impacted long before this photo was taken.

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Jaqen 13 points ago +13 / -0

Here's that image:

https://i.ma.ga/hJvfE.jpeg

Note how high resolution this image is. There has to be more to it than this one frame.

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brassmule 12 points ago +12 / -0

https://i.imgur.com/XsaBMQX.png - this image from the video going around makes me think it was a photographer with a camera who took the picture, and no more video exists of it.

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Jaqen 7 points ago +7 / -0

Agreed, that would be the angle in question.

I bet there are more photos from that guy but he is protecting his buddy.

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HumbleMemeFarmer 4 points ago +4 / -0

That image is cropped out of one of a set of 17 still photos.

Thread last night that linked to Getty images set.

https://thedonald.win/p/HrFVI8ms/raw-direct-getty-pics-of-shootin/c/

(Also see my post history for two that I found in even higher resolution.)

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The_Urge 75 points ago +76 / -1

They're saying he was a security guard with no connection to Antifa. Eye roll.

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SomeGuyOnTheInternet 60 points ago +61 / -1

He was with media, of course he is Antifa.

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Puppies4Lovies 31 points ago +32 / -1

Yeah, because Antifa has not been posing as press and medics for months, now.

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DrugsAndKnowledge 7 points ago +8 / -1

Everyone is the media nowadays. That's why press pay people for their stories and videos, etc.

A press pass (alternatively referred to as a press card or a journalist pass) grants some type of special privilege to journalists. Some cards have recognized legal status; others merely indicate that the bearer is a practicing journalist.

But anyone can write "PRESS" on a dirty shirt, carry a camera and ask questions?

Make em pay by their own rules? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journalism_ethics_and_standards

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RonSwanson1776 2 points ago +2 / -0

well, to be fair, it is in the first amendment. anyone can in fact be a member of the press. their is no such thing as a "legal press pass" issuing agency. official press passes are given by companies/corporations to identify themselves as employees of said agency. also, private/government functions/agencies may issue press passes to people for entry to property/events, nothing more.

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DrugsAndKnowledge 1 point ago +1 / -0

We're in agreement. ;) Sorry for any confusion.

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RonSwanson1776 2 points ago +2 / -0

my apologies. late night wine often fogs my reading comprehension and messaging. have a good day!

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DrugsAndKnowledge 1 point ago +1 / -0

No problem. Good day!

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Watch_TheKarma_Burn 12 points ago +12 / -0

I'm glad it took them less than 12 hours to totally make sure he wasnt antifa.

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cob05 6 points ago +6 / -0

Maybe Chris Wray called them up and was like "he's not one of our guys" so that's how they knew.

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Amaroq64 1 point ago +1 / -0

The local channel 9 news outlet literally said "he's one of our guys, we have armed security from Pinkerton who protects us when we go to protests", and that's how they know it wasn't antifa.

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TruthyBrat 1 point ago +1 / -0

It was more like two.

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OutcastSeal 8 points ago +10 / -2

Keese Love

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GeneticsGuy 8 points ago +8 / -0

And yet the dude literally has a common Antifa tattoo on his wrist...

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Amaroq64 2 points ago +2 / -0

I've been hearing that around. Got any links about that space invaders tattoo being their thing?

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GeneticsGuy 2 points ago +2 / -0

It's a symbol that comes from the subdotsubmission organization. Many of their members and activists basically wear space invader gear with "Aliens against racism" and so on. Example of their official socks.

This group is extremely pro BLM, and a subgroup of Antifa in the local area.

Here is another Antifa/BLM website that sells the t-shirt and they even sell it as a "BLM T-Shirt". The point is that it is common imagery used among these BLM and Antifa groups.

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Amaroq64 4 points ago +4 / -0

Oh I'm seeing worse than that on twitter. The security agency that the news hired was Pinkerton. The violent union-busters from history.

So the left are all laughing about it saying "a fascist was killed by a fascist" like it's poetic irony.

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lumpster 71 points ago +72 / -1

He went there to shoot somebody. He picked his victim, rather expertly aimed his weapon, and murdered a man in cold blood.

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I_Love_45-70_Gov 48 points ago +49 / -1

Security don't take headshots, murderers do.

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glow-operator-2-0 28 points ago +29 / -1

Private security discharging a weapon is a legal nightmare unless in the outright case of self defense (in the midst of being physically assaulted).

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I_Love_45-70_Gov 19 points ago +21 / -2

Yeh. I'd bet he was one time an LEO but got booted because...issues. His positioning and his grip appear solid, but decision making grades a solid F.

From my experience, center of mass was taught in weapons training, and headshots were highly frowned upon, and were to be taken only when absolutely necessary/as a last resort.

This dumbass, though, clearly drew first to line up a shot to the man's head. 100% certain he will claim self-defense in court.

Fuck that cunt.

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Antemalagon 3 points ago +3 / -0

Yup, security go center mass, premeditated murder goes for head shot.

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magaandkag 29 points ago +29 / -0

My attempts at figuring out what happend.
https://kekpe.pe/i/5f8273f6df14a.jpg
https://streamable.com/7u7zsd

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Jaqen 13 points ago +13 / -0

Nice work.

Patriot walked away from the "mace me nigga" incident and towards the shooter, moments before being shot.

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mathteach314159 13 points ago +13 / -0

No, you can hear the mace get discharged right before the shot. That being said there is not enough time for the guy to have unholsterred, aimed, and fire a lethal shot in the short amount of time between mace being deployed and the shot. Dude already had his gun aimed when the mace was deployed. I think you can even hear the guy who got shot say “put it back” maybe referencing the gun.

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fdagasfd 10 points ago +10 / -0

I mean, in order to use deadly force you have to be able to argue in court you were in fear for your life.

Unless this guy is going to say he thought it was some poisonous gas or something it's murder to shoot someone who is spraying you with pepper spray.

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Winter_Is_Coming2020 4 points ago +4 / -0

4 points:

-there was reported pushing and shoving right before, and shooters sunglasses were half knocked off

  • what is security doing engaging in a shoving match if they are there protecting somebody in the media? Security would be passive, not getting involved. This guy was an attendee and his grip was solid.

  • I believe shooter drew gun before the spray was drawn in response to a mutual slap. Spray was in defense of gun drawn.

  • self defense keys in on instigator/agitator - you cannot instigate a conflict then it escalates because of YOUR actions and you claim self defense (think about possible road rage incident, angry drivers starting it can’t claim self defense later).

If somebody sprays you, you can defend yourself; didnt a cop in ATL get indicted by a crooked DA because a taser being fired at him was “not lethal”? Can you pre-emptivly use deadly force to stop a non lethal attack? In all seriousness, depends on the DA, grand jury, then later the judge and jury.

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fdagasfd 1 point ago +1 / -0

I think in the case of a assaulting a police officer it's different because it's a given that it's common knowledge they are armed and a person doing that to a cop is indistinguishable from a person who might be fighting for their life/a serious criminal so the precedent has to be that the cops can use deadly force.

As far as what charges will be brought: you're 100% correct, DA's can charge anyone for anything.

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lumpster 7 points ago +7 / -0

I draft magaandkag for our forensic team! we're gonna need our own 'cause the po-po and media already are hanging this on the patriot(s)!

Great work, dude. Thanks

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stonepony 23 points ago +24 / -1

Not that it matters. Pepper spray is not a deadly threat.

But, they'll let him go regardless. If his social media contains enough posts expressing hate for America.

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Joebagofdonuts 21 points ago +21 / -0

Also, you tell by the shadows, the guy with the mace is not that close. There is no need to shoot. This is not self defense! Mace is not deadly. The shooter has a mask on which, as we all know, stops mace, farts and Covid-19 in it’s tracks! 😷

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TD_Covfefe_Crusader 16 points ago +16 / -0

The shooter could have easily backed away out of range of the spray since he was already a good distance away. His intent was to shoot the guy. It's murder.

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Spicy_maymay 9 points ago +9 / -0

He pulled out the mace because the guy drew a gun on him first. Tried to mace to defend himself. Cold blooded murder.

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stonepony 8 points ago +9 / -1

There was no mace.

It was pepper spray. They want everybody to keep using the word mace.

Don't.

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GeneticsGuy 13 points ago +13 / -0

So uh, the gun was clearly out and ready to fire before that guy lifted to pepper spray. I mean, you cannot unholster your weapon and aim and fire that fast. You just can't.

Also, I don't know anywhere that firing a gun in a kill shot can be claimed as self defense against pepper spray like this. You cannot use self defense against pepper spray as an excuse for executing a person.

It's also come out now that apparently the shooter had been taunting the guy for some time so I highly doubt he can somehow claim he didn't realize the dude had mace in his hand and that he thought it was a gun or something. Channel 9 news has even already had to issue a retraction because apparently their idiot journalist on the ground tried to give cover to the shooter by lying to the police about what happened and now that video evidence has emerged they were like "Oops, I must've miss-saw what happened."

Channel 9 is gonna be screwed as well. I mean, this guy worked for them, or at least, subcontracted for a security firm for them. Why and the hell was their private security not acting in a neutral way to the riots? Why was their private security literally an Antifa member and part of the counter protest (we know that he was as he has a common Antifa tattoo on his wrist as was seen in the arrest).

I get things can be heated politically, but there's no reason for anyone on either side to be losing their lives.

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Winter_Is_Coming2020 1 point ago +1 / -0

I think it’ll be critical to look at the why was the gun drawn: In response to a slap? Then spray was to counter the gun and too little to late?

great point about security vs attendee/agitator. Was AH/shooter in security uniform of any kind? Was he near his protected asset? Was that asset clearly identifiable as media/press? Was there a verbal exchange as far as “I’m security for xxxxxx” or “Back off or ....”?

Also, early gun drawn after just a slap but before spray with a head shot doesn’t point to self defense

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Amaroq64 0 points ago +1 / -1

Do we know it was the shooter taunting? The shooter and the Black Guns Matter guy are two different guys.

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Sparhawk007 13 points ago +14 / -1

First degree murder! Give this piece of shit the chair!

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RedditIs4Retards 13 points ago +14 / -1

The gun shot was far too quick. No fucking way did he pull it out after the mace was sprayed

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TD_Covfefe_Crusader 7 points ago +8 / -1

Yep. That gun was already out and at the ready.

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0nDaFence 10 points ago +11 / -1

Also appears to be stepping forward.

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coiffeuse2 25 points ago +27 / -2

It wasn't, he was immediately captured by the police... he killed two people today... he just doesn't know he just took his own life also.

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Winter_Is_Coming2020 2 points ago +2 / -0

To normies; fake news gonna fake. Blue state, blue city, who owns the DA?

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alfredbester 12 points ago +13 / -1

Threw his entire life away over BLM. So senseless.

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I_Love_45-70_Gov 17 points ago +18 / -1

Was it really a life, or just an Idea?

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AgarthaForever 7 points ago +7 / -0

That’s the plan. BLM is a bunch of commie grifters at the top and a horde of useful idiots.

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fskfsk 4 points ago +5 / -1

No, he'll plea bargain for 5 years in jsil.

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Antemalagon 1 point ago +1 / -0

Let's hopr for based prisoners that ass rape him and force him to suicide.

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dindunufin2 15 points ago +16 / -1

gonna feel like a woman in prison...

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Nadlers_Belt 5 points ago +5 / -0

More evidence of antifa affiliation.

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Tyrconnell 6 points ago +8 / -2

Anyone make out the tattoo on shooter's inside right wrist? Maybe seen something like it on someone else? Could be a flint arrowhead or spade design.

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DankKnoight710KAG 8 points ago +8 / -0

Space Invaders Against Racism lol jesus christ

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Tyrconnell 2 points ago +2 / -0

Thank you.

Hope your username becomes reality!

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cob05 1 point ago +1 / -0

I was waiting for a big black BLM fist like the other fuckstick had. At least they got this one.

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IlxTheGreat 4 points ago +4 / -0

Sure looks that way.

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FluffiPuff 4 points ago +4 / -0

Great analysis. These people are sick... outright murder.

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Hereforagoodtime 4 points ago +4 / -0

Should be stickied! This is the best photo I've seen of the incident.

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Desert_Covfefe 3 points ago +3 / -0

Enjoy the chair dirt bag

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hillaryprison 3 points ago +3 / -0

Is this Antifa person the same who in other posts is called a member of the 'media' and the same person who the media claims is a 'security guard'? Which is he? 1 of them, 2, all 3- a trinity shooter?

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Teddycheong 3 points ago +3 / -0

That only makes the pepper spray guy even dumber. Be smart!!!

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linereddit 3 points ago +4 / -1

Soreaux DA will dismiss.

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Winter_Is_Coming2020 1 point ago +1 / -0

Agreed; The Feds will have to step in like PDX shooter.

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TheRoyalRob 2 points ago +2 / -0

I mean it's sad, but why would anyone try to mace someone pointing a gun at them...?

And while I don't think the dude should have been killed, the other guy was being assaulted with mace.

:/ idk, I fear it's going to get much much worse then this in the coming days.

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Winter_Is_Coming2020 2 points ago +2 / -0

I am on the fence; there was supposedly a mutual ( 2way) slap right before, gun was drawn to counter that, spray to counter the gun; security’s finest I see

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TheRoyalRob 1 point ago +1 / -0

Sigh.... :/

We cannot underestimate how crazy these people are... and also the consideration that the law in some of these places isn't on our side.... but very well could be sympathetic to them.

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xxxMAGA420xxx 2 points ago +2 / -0

This deserves a sticky!

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JamesSunderland 2 points ago +2 / -0

Murder charges now.

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VaPnut 1 point ago +1 / -0

Paper, Rock, Scissors, Mace, Gun.... Figure out the rest.

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streakybacon 1 point ago +1 / -0

Does anyone know who had the "knife?" I thought it was the guy who got shot or someone else, but now I'm thinking it was the guy in the Black Guns Matter shirt, or both...the voices are confusingly similar..

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20moretrump20s 1 point ago +2 / -1

Enough is enough. Start placing bounties on these fucks and turn their strategies against them. Mask up and infiltrate, break the geneva conventions, use suppressors, and have no reservations about if the roles were reversed. Do not listen to their appeals or projection. Remove the terrorists at any and all costs. Put me on a list, faggots. Clack clack.

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Antemalagon 2 points ago +2 / -0

We have to be better and let the law work. When the law falls then we can clack clack . If they defund the police it's definitely hunting season.

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BadgerPuncher 1 point ago +1 / -0

Dont mace a person with a gun.

Sorry guys, this is all around idiotic. Nobody looks good here.

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PeytonManThing 1 point ago +1 / -0

Why would you respond to a drawn gun with fucking mace???

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Winter_Is_Coming2020 5 points ago +5 / -0

Cause that’s all he had

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PeytonManThing 1 point ago +1 / -0

You’re in a crowd, at least run

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Antemalagon 1 point ago +1 / -0

Probably falls under " it seemed like a good idea at the time" didn't think the guy would fucking murder him. Better to be the quiet guy behind the guy with the gun stabbing him at the brain stem than engaging in cock measuring, mace vs gun.

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DrMoustachio 1 point ago +2 / -1

Sure is some clear air.

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CaptainRumington 1 point ago +1 / -0

And now we have proof that Mace is not an effective self defense weapon against a gun. The event is horrific and sad, but it's a reminder to never go without a gun.

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fdagasfd 4 points ago +4 / -0

Bruh, you're not allowed to kill people for pepper spraying you.

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Scroon 2 points ago +2 / -0

I think people don't like your delivery, but I agree with everything you're saying. The murder of the two patriots, to date, is as wrong as wrong goes, but they were -- and we are -- in the middle of a bad situation. If you're going to be out there, it's best not to think bear spray is going to act like a magical forcefield.

Also, I need to say, we should not be looking for fights at this point. We need to stand our ground, but we can't afford to get baited into confrontations.

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