Dems want to lower the voting age because their target base is clueless
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Yes, raise the age to 25-30. Exceptions made for service of country
I agree 100%
If 18 is too young to drink or buy cigarettes then it's certainly too young to vote for the President of the US.
It would be nice to have a simple required test on basic history with free materials / books as well. There are too many ignorant citizens uneducated on basic history. Millions have died in wars, executions, starvation from failed socialist governments and idiots still think it's a good idea. Those that gave their lives deserve better than to be forgotten.
Oh yeah, 100%
I remember Kaitlin Bennett / Gun Girl (though she's not my favorite person tbh) did a video where she went and asked people who they wanted to vote for and they said mostly Democrats and then she asked them simple questions about US history and they had no idea at all.
They thought the Revolutionary War was around 1920 and other clueless shit.
As much as that sounds good, it 100% will be abused. Jim Crow laws were used as ways to keep out educated people by giving local officials the ability to create answers that could go both ways then penalizing the answerer when they inevitably got it wrong.
This would be used the same way to keep out the anti-establishment candidates.
Don't think the constitution applies to illegal aliens? Well you'd be wrong because of court decisions, guess you cannot vote.
Careful. We dont put qualifiers on rights. Well, we shouldn't anyhow. We dont want to have to pass a test to exercise our 2nd amendment rights. Registering to vote is the test. A lot of people dont pass that one
The flip side is with rights comes responsibilities, like contributing to society. If you can vote for bread and circuses and 51% of the population decides that's the way to go, your country will never recover.
Only land owners should have a vote since they have an obvious alignment of long term goals, i.e. to make the country more propserous. Obvious exceptions include military service, but we have a bunch of people voting nowadays that see the government as a big piggy bank and don't care for it's long term health.
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But that would perpetuate white supremacy! What about all the people with IQs too low to pass the test, or migrants who don't care about our history and are only here to live off our social safety net? Democrats would be at a disadvantage if they couldn't sell our country out to these people!
I also think immigrants should have to wait 18 years before they can vote. Or that we should just stop all immigration for the next few decades.
We can have immigration again when our unemployment rate reaches zero. A little extremist I know, but a country, any country needs to prioritize it's people before they do anything for the people of a foreign land.
I’m personally for zero immigration for at least 100 years.
Perfect example? Syrians in Canada. The government up there has been caught in a bunch of scandals the last few years and still maintain good support levels, probably due to Syrians.
Good point.... Whew lad if we raised the voting age to 21 it would single handley destroy the democratic party
Absolutely 100%. The founders could not POSSIBLY have envisioned the nation becoming overrun with manchildren who never grew up at twice the age that their own sons were being sent to serve in the court of the Tzarina of Russia (John Quincy Adams, 14.) They figured "By 18, they'll be married or getting married, starting their own household, they're well informed American men by then!"
General Washington would have surrendered, if he could have seen what we'd do to his legacy...
18 is not too young to drink or buy cigarettes. The fact that we have the highest drinking age in the world except for countries like Qatar is embarrassing. Even cucked Canada is 19.
It was 18, for a while. High-school seniors fucked it up. Seriously. They were buying alcohol and giving it to their minor friends.
Yeah, I know it still isn't much of a barrier. But then, the news had a constant drumbeat of 16-17's that died or fucked themselves up on alcohol their buddy bought for them.
They raised it to 19 in some states. Other states limited people under 21 to 3.2% beer (which tastes horrid). Ultimately, the federal government said: you have to raise it to 21, or we'll cut off your federal highway funds.
They imposed a nationwide 55 mph speed limit the same way.
I turned 18 during that period, but was 21 by the time it was forced on the states.
The country already had this discussion. 18 is the federal voting age because it's the draft age, and the states adopted the federal standard for political and logistical reasons. The mistake here is that women of the same age can vote for whatever without any danger of being sent to war. At least with older men they were in the draft registry when they were younger.
Women voting isn't the problem. The problem is the education system brainwashing people into voting for stupid shit.
Actually it is. Women vote overwhelmingly left. And they consume overwhelmingly consume tax money while men provide most of it. And left means wealth redistribution.
Nothing you do will ever change that inherent gender based bias. The fair deal is marriage and having your partner supply you as a woman - but with welfare systems and having the ability to vote to force others to gib money, this will never change.
The education system will be corrupt and broken as long as governments hold quasi-monopoly over it.
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net tax payers only should be allowed to vote, I think. That would fix a lot of it.
Fundamentally this is the root of the problem. It's quite simple really: women have a different life strategy hardwired into them. They need other people's resources. Just part of life. They have kids, they are vulnerable during pregnancy and childbirth, and they have to ensure they get the things they need to keep them and their kids alive. This is why women overwhelmingly push for bigger social safety nets and socialist/communist policies.
Realistically, I think it is a tough sell to undo the 19th amendment, although it would fix nearly all of our problems.
I think it is more practical to restrict voting to only land owners, and allow women who own land to vote as well.
Their hypergamous nature also wants a flow of alpha men coming in so that they can be sure they're with the best man. Hence open borders and muh diversity. There's a huge reason past societies didn't have women voting.
Just look at 2016’s results and tell me women voting aren’t the problem. https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.mMsMFzMYs4dtROEoog0FVgHaEC%26pid%3DApi&f=1 All those men voting went through the same educational brainwashing and somehow came to the correct conclusion. If women couldn’t vote, we would be free from commie bullshit forever.
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I am a girl and I think this is based and true.
I am a girl and many of girls my age are lefty or extreme and crazy Trump haters.
18 is the draft age but if you’re not drafted why should that affect you? Never understood that, we haven’t had a draft in 50 years
Unfortunately, there's more to the draft than that. The Selective Service is the registration admin responsible for keeping track of the draft pool. If a man doesn't register with SS he can't get a job in the government, can't get federal student aid, and is breaking the law.
There have been cases of men being fired from their job for failure to register even though they are too old to be drafted.
No draft, no issues
What does voting and fighting in a war have anything to do with each other? If that's the criteria, then all senior citizens need to be denied the right to vote because they can't fight in wars.
Literally everything. Conscription is evil. A necessary evil, but evil nonetheless. But the idea of conscripting those incapable of voting on representatives to prevent the conscription in the first place is slavery.
It is the literal taxation (of the human body) without representation that we fought a war to stop.
As for Americans who've "aged out" or even those with medical conditions, they are still technically draftable. The fact that there are plenty of those in a younger age range would out them at the back of a very, very long line.
Conscription isn't evil, conscripting Americans to fight foreign wars against our interests is evil.
Plus you don't need the right to vote yourself to still have representation. You're represented by your peers who can vote. The colonies fought because they had no vote or voice at all in parliament.
How on earth does being an effective killer on the battlefield translate to making wise decisions on electing representatives? I see zero correlation.
I see plenty of correlation between more life experience, like having a job, paying taxes, being married and taking care of others, and making good voting decisions.
Did you really ask that question? You have a right to vote if you are going to war or not. Jesus Christ, that wasn’t a well thought out statement.
I can get behind seniors reaching an age where they can no longer vote, but that’s a different topic. I can also get behind only people who contribute more in taxes than they receive voting.
There is ZERO correlation between being a soldier and responsible voting. You can be the most lethal soldier and vote in horrible policies. You can also never participate in a war and vote for the best polices.
its part history dude, of nearly all countries. the right to vote was tied to responsibility/service.
Responsibility? Sure, I'm down with that. Which is why I'd rather up the voting age when people actually get responsible.
But there is absolutely no correlation between fighting in a war (or getting drafted) and making good decisions at the voting booth. Again, if it was, then all seniors need to be denied the right to vote.
If you can be drafted into the military and possibly lose your life fighting a war ordered by the politicians, you should have a say in choosing those politicians.
This was the crux of the argument for lowering the voting age to 18 in the 70's.
That comes at an extremely high cost. What policies do young people tend to vote for? Bigger gov't, higher taxes, more entitlements. And it makes sense why. An 18 year old today is far different than an 18 year old 100-200 years ago. Back then, they'd be done with school around the age of 14. Which means they were likely to be working for several years. Many of them were already married and had to be responsible for kids. A far cry from today's youth.
I’d go full Starship Troopers with it. Only those who serve the country in some way get to vote. Why should people who are only along for the ride get to decide which direction to go in?
Service guarantees citizenship.
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If they think kids don’t have the agency to choose to smoke until 21. Then they sure as shit shouldn’t vote until 21.
Shouldn’t be draft able either then.
Shouldn’t be a lot of things. Like shouldn’t be able to cut their dick off either. .