"Without God, everything is permitted" Voltaire
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Without Christianity you dont even have the choice of being atheist.
Christianity gives you the ultimate choice in all of their writings. Embrace Christ and go to heaven or reject him and become cast out.
Violence was a way of life before Christ, you wouldnt be kind to person on the street for no reason. Charity. What fervor it must have been for the early Christians to discover such a wonderful way to live.
I read that the religions and cults of Europe were pretty pissed off at the Christians for offering food, water, and clothing to the poor - with no expectation of payment or service in return. It encouraged average citizens to become Christians. Of course, like many atheists do today, they scoffed and claimed the Church was just bribing the poor to get new converts.
But the pagans couldn't win. They started copying the Christians and soon enough charity had spread throughout all of European culture.
Yeah and all that charity led to the pants-on-head retarded shit we see in places like Sweden to this day.
I truly think we’ve gone too far in that direction, to our detriment.
It’s “love thy neighbor” not “import thy neighbor from Somalia”
Because you can insult the truth because truth doesn't change. However lies can not stand being probed they fall apart if you do. Why the Quran gives death to people that insult islam.
Ya this wasn't even his quote lol. I got mixed up this is Sartre. I mixed it up with "if there were no God it would be necessary to create one" actually by Voltaire.
I feel that Voltaire was a deitist but simply hated the Roman Catholic Church. He seemed impressed with Quakers.
Repent of our sins is not in the bible. This is false teaching, of another Gospel. Repent and turn to Christ is in the Bible. It means Repent of your unbelief in Christ Jesus and turn to him for salvation. Faith salvation is biblical. Works salvation is not.
That isn't charity. Charity is voluntary, taxes enforced at the but of a government gun is the opposite of charity. In fact we have a word for it, theft.
He was talking about Europeans hundreds of years ago specifically
Charity is not a solely Christian thing.
The line there is drawn between person-person charity and government action. The reason free societies can work is because they're supported by a strong civil society in which people do actually help each other out - without the state getting involved.
Exactly, a social safety net still does exist in free societies, its just provided by family and community willingly rather than by some far off government. Face-to-face charity works for the most party, there's a system of accountability. People who abuse small-scale family help get known for such as the help dries up. Also, with face-to-face the receivers of such help often feel gratitude and obligation to move their life to a point where they no longer need the help.
When that help starts coming from an anonymous governing body, it turns into an entitlement with no accountability.
You mean Greed and Avarice?
Charity is sacrificing of yourself to help those in need. Voting for a socialist system to take from somebody else to feed tot he poor is not Charity at all.
Every aspect of communism is one of the seven deadly sins disguised as virtues for the ignorant.
This is true! So true.
No. The Romans were pretty pissed off at the Christians because they refused to join the military, during a time in which the Roman empire was under attack.
If you would like to know what arguments led me to God from atheism, I'd like show you this
https://youtu.be/xcCcHtqzQvs
Are you familiar with Chuck missler or Jack Hibbs? Both of those men changed my life for God. I always believed in God, but now I try to live for Him
No I have never heard of them
Here is a short video from chuck missler (10 mins). If you like him, check out his learn the Bible in 24 hours series. It is not a beginner bible study despite the title.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpNCdhV_Cng
Now try John MacArthur, pede.
I’m a big fan. I watch him weekly
That's not true at all. None of it. If you're a Christian you're an atheist in regards to thousands of gods, save one (the Jewish/Muslim/Christian Yahweh).
Theism is a state of belief. Atheism is a state of disbelief. You ALWAYS have the choice to be in a state of disbelief about anything that hasn't been demonstrated to your satisfaction - this is the default state for all extraordinary claims.
And if you're under the impression that charity and the golden rule were invented in the middle east 2k years ago, boy have I got some bad news for you...
The doublespeak is unbelievable....
For the amount of bible scholars claiming to be here y'all sure don't know your Greek. Atheism isn't 'anti-religion' it is the state of being without belief a deity. If you lack belief in Vishnu or Thor, you are an atheist when it comes to the question of your belief in their existence.
Don't misinterpret what he says. He says that just how you reject the belief of thousands of Gods that humanity has believed in at some point, he rejects one more.
That doesn't actually make you an atheist, but it explains to you how someone can reject the Jewish God you believe in.
Theists are atheists
Terrible argument.
You dont even understand what this quote is saying.
There is no possible coherent moral system that can be made without objective moral purity.
You're an atheist towards 4,999 gods. Some add one more to the list.
Many of the other religions you refer to also claim an objective moral compass. You've grounded yours to barely literate bronze age peasants who elevated the Caananite war god from middle of the pantheon to the top.
No theists and atheists are mutually exclusive.
Abolition of slavery came solely from Christian extremists.
There are good things and bad things in all religions.
For those that believe there is any God(s), they believe life is a process not a state. There is a story arch to life.
The preposterous atheist belief that mortals would be created to enter a purely struggle free life of bliss and ecstasy fails to see that, ALL the evils were put here to challenge and make people grow from it.
You were put here to be harrowed and harmed by evil. It is up to you to learn from it and, stand against it.
If you are an atheist you are just in denial that you believe in something. You say you don't, but you do.
Strawman, nobody believes that.
No, I don't make an assertive assumption about that. I just don't know. Asking an atheist what created the universe is like asking a Christian what created God. Neither of us has an answer.
Oh no, I believe morality is universal and absolute to humanity.
See number #2
Why would you? Perhaps it's just a need to console yourself thinking that all the injustices in this world will be resolved in the next?
Please continue on what you think atheists think.
Facccctttttttsssss
Source: I was atheist
Atheist = dont believe in any divine beings. Atleast thats what I think, and all atheists I've ever met. We just dont believe there exists Gods.
You know gods were created by man, not the other way around. You're in denial if you can't see that.
Atheists don't deny that they believe in something. They just don't believe in any particular organized religion.
Scientism is highly organized and followed by most atheists.
Thank you for additional evidence that most atheists are in denial. They deny they have a religion, when if you look at their worship of science, it's obvious it's got all the aspects of religion (or more accurately a cult)
I'll let you fill in the rest of this list:
https://religion-society.weebly.com/8-aspects-of-religion.html
Im talking about the idea to choose. You have your own agency. The concept of Christians was not even atheist or Christian, theist or believer. Its that you have the individual power to choose, save your soul, work with the Lord find redemption and live the pious life or CHOOSE another path.
Atheism as a term comes to us around the 1800s. Nonbeliever or heretic much longer. Nonbeliever implies that there is something to believe. Heretic that youve gone a different path.
Your atheist semantics would be true in the modern day.
Charity's popularity exploded with the rise of Christianity. Most all scholars agree with that, most who dont have an axe to grind about a religion that wronged them in their past....
Thats false. Christians know there are other lower gods, shoot even Jesus and our Father calls us gods of the earth.
We know there are gods but what we know them as demons and fallen angels who left their first estates and fell from grace seeking pleasure, glorfy and carnal interactions .
It is the Father, Jesus Christ the son and image and the Holy Spirit which are 3 in 1 the one true God.
They will never understand us until they come to the light of God! Everyone has a long journey though and, they need their time.
I would venture to say this pede. If you are a true believer youre more likely to support the President and if you support the President you are even more likely to become a believer if you are not one. So come one and all. Whatever order you come to the good sides.
Eh. At the very least a core concept of American ideology is that we are endowed by our Creator certain inalienable rights and that He created all men and women equal. The Pledge of Allegiance (sans "under God") didn't become a thing until WW2 when pro-American propaganda was pushed hard and "under God" didn't come in until the Cold War when it was essentially used to take a stance against atheism which was favored by Communist regimes.
While obviously one does need to believe in and accept Christ as their savior to be saved, American patriotism runs more under the belief that there is at least some form of higher entity that created us and bestowed upon us the rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
What if I dont believe in God but still want to get to heaven if it exists? I dont believe in Gods, but I still try my best to live a good life so that incase a Hell exists I wont go there because of my actions in life.
I cant just start believing something that I dont believe exists?
Good people will go to hell without Jesus. You can be Mother Teresa and devote your life to helping others and still go to hell. How is this? The actual problem is sin. A perfect God will not be in the presence of sin. If you sin once, you are guilty of sin. NO ONE can live a sinless life, and because of that, we deserve death. God is just and requires a punishment for sin. However, God is loving and merciful and so He sent us an out. Jesus came to earth as a man, lived a sinless life, and was sacrificed for us to pay the price for our sin. He then conquered death and rose from the dead. The price of sin is death and so it required a blood sacrifice. Jesus also had to live a sinless life because God required a perfect sacrifice. He willingly laid down His life in our place. The thing that separates’ Christianity from other religions is that we cannot earn our way into heaven. Christianity isn’t about good works. The price has already been paid. Our salvation is set in Christ’s finished work on the cross. There is nothing we can do to add to it.
Pathway to hell is paved with good intentions.
Just accept Jesus Christ on earth and testify about him openly on earth and Jesus will testify for you in heaven. Thats literally his words.
If you just do good works but deny Jesus then he cant help you. Because Satan even does good works for those who do his bidding.
A lot of christians don't understand this, many people assume heaven and hell are these far off places, but these are just names for a state of being.
Heaven is a choice to be close to God. Hell is a choice to be away from God. So if you don't believe in God, why would you ever want to be close to God? Why would you go to Heaven? And if God is really God, then God is everywhere. In all places at once. My personal take is that some people spend their lives running from God, because they continue to seek the pleasures of sin. They only escape when they die. They create their own personal hell right here on earth.
And others spend their lives seeking God by following the Law written on their hearts. They spend their lives with God, and get to actually feel peace. When they die, they are finally complete and purified and get to join God.
Just keep doing what your doing, you'll find yourself believing in the impossible before you know it. You'll find that doing good just in case hell exists is not enough to motivate you to do good all the time. And then you might realize that you can't do it all alone after all.
Well according to Christianity/the Bible, no one can enter God's kingdom without Jesus. Just depends on what you want to believe.
100%. If you deny God you deny the declaration of independence. As it says by Our Creator we are given unalienable rights. Not some random acts of chance.
I'd venture that by the very virtues of our founding fathers, you can be a Christian without being a Bible-thumping, window-licking divider of men who makes other Christians sound straight from the old world.
If you have no God, then you have no authority to enforce your moral code on others. The voices in your head are only superior to a rapists if you have power over him. Democrats bread and butter is trying to gain enough power to override their neighbors morals.
Our country is buily on the bedrock of Christian morality, for sure. And I'm glad to live in a country where I might simply concern myself with the actions of a rapist and not his thoughts.
Glad you noticed this. There is so much doom and gloom that everything is lost these days. People don’t realize that people are responding to the plague of progressivism by going hardcore conservative Christian. It’s just like the Trump movement, but with religion. Conservative churches are swelling in numbers and attendees while progressive churches are closing left and right.
This is entirely external to what I said, but since you brought up political correctness let's go with it. Saying you can't be a Patriot if you're not Christian is exactly the same thing as saying you can't be a victim if you're not a minority. Tired old political correctness, it is devoid of thought. And Americans have a history of questioning modes of conclusion from which thought is absent. And yes, Christianity feels this sting of higher criticism. This is why we're not stuck in the dark ages like the middle east.
Bible believing and bible thumping are different things.
Christ says preach the gospel to every living creature and we read our conversations should always lead to the laws of God.
However it does say not to go door to door, and yet thats what some we know do. They pick and choose the wrong things.
That which is literal like .ie commandments, statutues, ordinances, how to treat people, how to be a good person they interpret as metaphorical. Which is a lie.
And that which is prophetical or metaphorical they take literal.
Its why Christ says in the end many will fall away because of this type of bad judgement and behavior.