"Without God, everything is permitted" Voltaire - The Donald

6 If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. 9 You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. 10 Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.

Deuteronomy 13:6-10 New International Version

Emphasis added.

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– TRAPPED_IN_BROWARD 3 points 185 days ago +4 / -1

u/Melthesender45: Quran gives death to people that insult Islam. (Random people, that is. See https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/insulters-islam.aspx)

u/Italians_Invented_2A claims “So does the Old Testament.” (Known to Jews as the “Tanakh.”)

u/Italians_Invented_2A is challenged by u/Bluestorm83 for evidence that the Tanakh gives death to (random) people that insult Judaism.

u/Italians_Invented_2A responds not with a passage from the Tanakh that gives death to (random) people that insult Judaism, but rather with a passage that gives death specifically to apostate Jews who entice faithful Jews to apostatize from Judaism and to convert to paganism.

u/Italians_Invented_2A after a more careful reading of the passage you attempted to cite as evidence that the Tanakh gives death to (random) people that insult Judaism, can you now see how that passage is only applicable to the very specific case of apostate Jews who attempt to entice faithful Jews to apostatize from Judaism and to convert to paganism?

Will you count your straw man argument as a victory, or will you do the honest thing and concede defeat?

In light of the fact that the passage you cited does nothing to prove your position that the Tanakh gives death to (random) people who insult Judaism (as Islam actually does), will you now reconsider your position?

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– Italians_Invented_2A -2 points 185 days ago +1 / -3

will you do the honest thing and concede defeat?

I shall not do that.

I will instead refer you to my new answer here and declare that u/Bluestorm83 has been BTFO

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– Bluestorm83 0 points 185 days ago +2 / -2

This is not about those who insult God, it is about Jews who seek to replace the worship of Jehovah, Yahweh, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, with the worship of the pagan gods of the nations around them, the pagan gods who require human sacrifices, CHILD sacrifices.

You have supposed to provide proof. Instead, you have merely showed that the God of the Old Testament would be right here, among us, calling for the deaths of every child molesting, adrenochrome using leftist today. Indeed, He will judge them. Blessed be the name of the Lord my God.

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– Italians_Invented_2A 0 points 185 days ago +2 / -2

Fucking hell, talking to a religious zealot is worse than talking to a NPC and trying to convince him that Orange Man is not bad.

I cited a passage of the Bible where God orders you to fucking murder your own family for apostasy. Oh, but I suppose that is completely different from insulting God, is it? So one can curse the name of God and that's fine, but if they mention other gods then suddenly it's murder time. That's laughable. Honestly, pathetic to have this amount of intellectual dishonesty. And why did you bring up child molesters? In your fantasy world that verse of the Bible refers to child molesters? Well, it's a shame that the Bible doesn't say a word against pedophilia, especially because marrying 13 years old was normal at the time.

But hey, you want to play semantics?

Then let's read Leviticus 24:

13 Then the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 14 (F)“Bring out of the camp the one who cursed, and let all who heard him (G)lay their hands on his head, and let all the congregation stone him. 15 And speak to the people of Israel, saying, Whoever curses his God shall (H)bear his sin. 16 Whoever (I)blasphemes the name of the Lord shall surely be put to death. All the congregation shall stone him. The sojourner as well as the native, when he blasphemes the Name, shall be put to death.

English Standard Version

13 The Lord said to Moses, saying: 14Take the blasphemer outside the camp; and let all who were within hearing lay their hands on his head, and let the whole congregation stone him. 15And speak to the people of Israel, saying: Anyone who curses God shall bear the sin. 16 One who blasphemes the name of the Lord shall be put to death; the whole congregation shall stone the blasphemer. Aliens as well as citizens, when they blaspheme the Name, shall be put to death.

New Revised Standard Version Bible: Anglicized Edition

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– anonanomous 0 points 185 days ago +2 / -2

It’s unfortunate that I’ve seen your type of response a thousand times when someone points out some curiously aggressive aspects of the Bible.

You don’t dig into the premise and try to sort it out. You run and hide. He didn’t bring up an insult leading to death. Only how good Christians should kill their own family and everyone else should that person try to get that good Christian to convert.

And you know what’s even worse? The fact you will make up some bullshit about that’s not the KJV Bible and not the NEW testament so it’s not important.

Except even worse than that is maybe the Old Testament is right and if we were fighting for God the way it was originally intended maybe things would be a bit better around here. Maybe the neutering of the aggression of the Bible is a problem. But instead of getting into it — granted this is online so who cares but still — just clutch your book and disregard what this other person says because your local groupthink doesn’t like the challenge.

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