How hard is it for people to admit that women in the workplace is the cause of the middle class wage stagnation we've seen since the 70s? You double the labor supply, you decrease the demand, prices goes down. Then as an added bonus all of that real work that the full-time parent was doing, cooking, home maintenance, child care, is now instead paid for and taxable all while being lower quality as well. And that's before we talk about the long term economic effects of drastically lower birth rates.
The majority needs to be single worker / single caretaker households for a civilization to survive.
EDIT: To those downvotes, you can argue if this is a good thing or not. You can try and make the case that having women in the workplace was worth stagnating wages, declining population, etc. But good luck arguing that doubling the labor supply didn't have a massive downward effect on middle class wages.
Further, I'd argue that this has been a net loss for women. Women today are fucking miserable. Look at the sheer epidemic of anti-depressant use among young women today.
1000x THIS. Also, the impact from the lower birth rates needs more emphasis. We've been consistently below the replacement rate since 2007, and the only reason it looks like the country is at 1.7 is because of all the refugees and illegals who do nothing but breed. White people are being bred out of existence.
Yea. So when men left the farm to create the industrialized world, they traded their cabin building for welding, their iron smithing for engineering, and their chicken plucking for trench digging. When women left the home they traded their knitting circles for knitting machines, they traded child care and elderly care of their family for the care of a stranger’s family, and their household’s clerical needs for a desk from where she keeps her boss’s clerical needs in order. The industrialized world has been duped with the two income model. We have destroyed our family and faith for careers. Women truly got the short end of this deal though, they do the same things now that they did while in the house, only now it goes unappreciated and without love.
What if a woman has intelligence and a talent which she wants to use to fulfill her life, beyond motherhood? How many women crash after their kids leave for college because they have no identity beyond that?
I was a full time stay at home mom for 10 years, freelanced on small projects to stay active and now that the kids are in school almost full time, I'm working 30 hours a week. I have a unique skill which has contributed to the growth of a company, has raised an enormous amount of money for charity, and allows me to be a well-rounded PERSON, not just a mom or a worker.
Congrats! Go ahead and do that if that's how you want to do it. But there should be zero need to have multiple adults working to sustain a family. No one is attempting to ban certain persons from the workplace.
I'll say the same thing I said to my wife early on, when she was still an ultra-feminist: The 3rd wave feminist movement doesn't make sense if you believe them at their word that all they want is equality. It suddenly makes COMPLETE sense if you view them as a socialist movement designed to destroy the American family, morale, wage-growth, productivity, and happiness of the culture.
I'm a working mom and want to add that this is extremely difficult without a very supportive husband!
Men and women together make a balanced team, we can lean on each other and encourage one-another to do great things. I can't imagine doing it alone, as I imagine my husband wouldn't be able to be as successful as he is if he didn't have my support. The media is trying to erase our complementary roles and it only hurts kids and society as a whole.
Thanks, it was very hard to stay active when being so exhausted.
I don't know your situation but here's what I did: I started taking small jobs in my field (graphic design), pro bono. I wouldn't charge for small jobs for my kids schools, for example. Then I bartered with my mechanic, my skills for his. All of a sudden I had a couple of newer items on my resume, and was learning some of the newer tools that I'd missed out on. I continued doing this as much as possible until I decided I could start charging.
I know an attorney who did the same thing, you have to start small and sometimes give away your skill while you get your feet wet again. Or start something new!! GL!
Feminism has turned a corner. With past women justice nominees, it felt like their gender defined them. It seems different with Barrett. President Trump selected her because of her extraordinary intellectual gifts and her commitment to an originalist view of the Constitution and the role of the courts, not her gender.
My wife was a RABID feminist when I met her. Within the first few weeks that had toned down a bit as I used logic and reality to counter-argue her points. Within a few years of being together, she saw the cesspool that 3rd wave feminism had become / always was. It saddened her because she held the view that men and women are equal, and can be complements to one another; strengths in one area can offset deficits in another. I MAN-SPLAINED to her that she was applying reason and logic and that only held up if you believed that 3rd wave feminism was about equality. If you looked at it as something that was used to destroy the country, the family, and democracy, all of a sudden their efforts made sense. A lightbulb went off for her.
After that, she started thinking more about things she wanted to do, deep inside, like raise our kids and not be burdened with a job. The most legitimate job a human being can have, but that women are shamed for wanting now. Now her main 'hobby' has been gathering resources for home-schooling when our kids hit the appropriate age. She's designed an in-house classroom, developed curriculum, and has planned out field-trips / travel that incorporate lessons.
Want to guess at which point of life (rabid feminist vs. caring mother) she was happier?
True, I can't believe some of the shit I see. I'm actually excited that my wife will get to stay home. Could we make more money combined? Sure, but we're not starving if it's just me working. The time our kids get to spend with her is way more valuable than a pay check.
I am a wife and mother. I stayed home full time with my small kids until they were in school full time. I freelanced at night and was with them all day, every day, with the support of my husband.
Now I contribute because I have skill, intelligence and talent. You call women whores and think they have no space in society except for staying at home, so yes you are vile. That's my opinion on your statements, I don't need to know you to know more...you put it out there. I also don't need to know your opinion on me, which is immaterial. It is your view on women in society I comment on.
Do a little research on the women’s rights movement. You’ll see how communists were heavily influencing the whole movement. And have essentially co-opted it today. Take the women’s March for example. When pro-life women wanted to March with them, they were refused. Why? Because the democrat/communist agenda doesn’t support pro-life. There were a couple of other conservative women’s groups that were also turned down for the women’s March. The thing has been turned into a left vs right debate
That's right peasant! Both of you can labor to feel fulfilled!
Nevermind asking why the hell you need two people's incomes to support a family.
How hard is it for people to admit that women in the workplace is the cause of the middle class wage stagnation we've seen since the 70s? You double the labor supply, you decrease the demand, prices goes down. Then as an added bonus all of that real work that the full-time parent was doing, cooking, home maintenance, child care, is now instead paid for and taxable all while being lower quality as well. And that's before we talk about the long term economic effects of drastically lower birth rates.
The majority needs to be single worker / single caretaker households for a civilization to survive.
EDIT: To those downvotes, you can argue if this is a good thing or not. You can try and make the case that having women in the workplace was worth stagnating wages, declining population, etc. But good luck arguing that doubling the labor supply didn't have a massive downward effect on middle class wages.
Further, I'd argue that this has been a net loss for women. Women today are fucking miserable. Look at the sheer epidemic of anti-depressant use among young women today.
1000x THIS. Also, the impact from the lower birth rates needs more emphasis. We've been consistently below the replacement rate since 2007, and the only reason it looks like the country is at 1.7 is because of all the refugees and illegals who do nothing but breed. White people are being bred out of existence.
THANK YOU!!!! I’ve been trying to point this out for years!!! Wage decreases started right at that time.
Most women cannot have it all. OP is disingenuous implying they all can. The vast majority won't be capable and would be much happier as a mother.
Yea. So when men left the farm to create the industrialized world, they traded their cabin building for welding, their iron smithing for engineering, and their chicken plucking for trench digging. When women left the home they traded their knitting circles for knitting machines, they traded child care and elderly care of their family for the care of a stranger’s family, and their household’s clerical needs for a desk from where she keeps her boss’s clerical needs in order. The industrialized world has been duped with the two income model. We have destroyed our family and faith for careers. Women truly got the short end of this deal though, they do the same things now that they did while in the house, only now it goes unappreciated and without love.
I think the current rate of consumption of antidepressants and anti anxiety medication shows this issue in the clearest sense.
Damn, very well said
What if a woman has intelligence and a talent which she wants to use to fulfill her life, beyond motherhood? How many women crash after their kids leave for college because they have no identity beyond that?
I was a full time stay at home mom for 10 years, freelanced on small projects to stay active and now that the kids are in school almost full time, I'm working 30 hours a week. I have a unique skill which has contributed to the growth of a company, has raised an enormous amount of money for charity, and allows me to be a well-rounded PERSON, not just a mom or a worker.
Not everything is about money or socialism.
Congrats! Go ahead and do that if that's how you want to do it. But there should be zero need to have multiple adults working to sustain a family. No one is attempting to ban certain persons from the workplace.
I agree with you 100%.
She's the ideal feminists claim they strive for, and yet they hate her and want her dead simply because she's not a Democrat.
It's almost like feminists are full of shit, or something.
I'll say the same thing I said to my wife early on, when she was still an ultra-feminist: The 3rd wave feminist movement doesn't make sense if you believe them at their word that all they want is equality. It suddenly makes COMPLETE sense if you view them as a socialist movement designed to destroy the American family, morale, wage-growth, productivity, and happiness of the culture.
Accurate
I'm a working mom and want to add that this is extremely difficult without a very supportive husband!
Men and women together make a balanced team, we can lean on each other and encourage one-another to do great things. I can't imagine doing it alone, as I imagine my husband wouldn't be able to be as successful as he is if he didn't have my support. The media is trying to erase our complementary roles and it only hurts kids and society as a whole.
Thanks, it was very hard to stay active when being so exhausted.
I don't know your situation but here's what I did: I started taking small jobs in my field (graphic design), pro bono. I wouldn't charge for small jobs for my kids schools, for example. Then I bartered with my mechanic, my skills for his. All of a sudden I had a couple of newer items on my resume, and was learning some of the newer tools that I'd missed out on. I continued doing this as much as possible until I decided I could start charging.
I know an attorney who did the same thing, you have to start small and sometimes give away your skill while you get your feet wet again. Or start something new!! GL!
I'd like to be at the Barrett house on tendie night.
You were correct.
She also proves that the Family TEAM is the best Team! She gives her Husband credit for helping her <3
My wife was a RABID feminist when I met her. Within the first few weeks that had toned down a bit as I used logic and reality to counter-argue her points. Within a few years of being together, she saw the cesspool that 3rd wave feminism had become / always was. It saddened her because she held the view that men and women are equal, and can be complements to one another; strengths in one area can offset deficits in another. I MAN-SPLAINED to her that she was applying reason and logic and that only held up if you believed that 3rd wave feminism was about equality. If you looked at it as something that was used to destroy the country, the family, and democracy, all of a sudden their efforts made sense. A lightbulb went off for her.
After that, she started thinking more about things she wanted to do, deep inside, like raise our kids and not be burdened with a job. The most legitimate job a human being can have, but that women are shamed for wanting now. Now her main 'hobby' has been gathering resources for home-schooling when our kids hit the appropriate age. She's designed an in-house classroom, developed curriculum, and has planned out field-trips / travel that incorporate lessons.
Want to guess at which point of life (rabid feminist vs. caring mother) she was happier?
True, I can't believe some of the shit I see. I'm actually excited that my wife will get to stay home. Could we make more money combined? Sure, but we're not starving if it's just me working. The time our kids get to spend with her is way more valuable than a pay check.
That isn’t feminism
thafs not feminism. that's normal.
These types of posts really bring this place down.
Vile, but you're entitled to your opinion.
No, I'm calling your views vile. Looking back on 100 years and claiming it's a panacea is stunted and foolish.
I'll also point out that the $500k I raised for children with learning differences appreciate me, even if you don't. And I'm VERY ok with that.
I am a wife and mother. I stayed home full time with my small kids until they were in school full time. I freelanced at night and was with them all day, every day, with the support of my husband.
Now I contribute because I have skill, intelligence and talent. You call women whores and think they have no space in society except for staying at home, so yes you are vile. That's my opinion on your statements, I don't need to know you to know more...you put it out there. I also don't need to know your opinion on me, which is immaterial. It is your view on women in society I comment on.
Have a good day, pede.
Do a little research on the women’s rights movement. You’ll see how communists were heavily influencing the whole movement. And have essentially co-opted it today. Take the women’s March for example. When pro-life women wanted to March with them, they were refused. Why? Because the democrat/communist agenda doesn’t support pro-life. There were a couple of other conservative women’s groups that were also turned down for the women’s March. The thing has been turned into a left vs right debate
Truth hurts some folks. Women were never meant to be primary providers.
Plus she proves you don't need to be a woman with a penis
I’m worried about ACB as a scotus pick. She seems a little too liberal to me.