Yes, plus the fact that now houses are so expensive you can't buy one without a federally guaranteed mortgage, can't pay for college without federal student loans, can't get health care without buying it through the feds (Joepedo and Kamala's plan) - it's not about the government being able to do any of those things better or cheaper, it's about control and power. They want these things to be so expensive no one can have them without the feds providing access.
Interesting because I did mine on. Va loan and currently haven't paid rent due to forbearance for 6 months. Va sends .e a letter every month basically encouraging it. It gets tacked on the end of the loan interest free Nd they paying my taxes and insurance. But I do think you are on to something.
I think it goes even deeper. I'm starting to think it's both sides fucking with us "sheep" to keep the stress levels up. I mean God forbid we let anyone be happy and enjoy their life..... this clearly explains why they hate Trump the outsider
I'm 60 and they have been doing this my entire life. Strange that one of my early memories is the human caused Global Cooling and the Ozone Scares. Had me and other kids scared shitless (child abuse).
The number is up to 43 Major Climate Predictions that have been ALL near 100% false/fake.
You would think this fact alone would make all past and future climate predictions null and void from the moment they are mouthed.
It is almost as if science can't predict crap about the future. They are pretty good at explaining the past, but have no idea how to correct for all the variables involved in predicting the future.
I think scientist have learned and predicted some amazing things. But not the future. They can predict that certain particles that are hypothesized actually exist or that you can tell a star has planets around it because their gravity creates a wobble in the star. Those are great predictions but that is not the future. Those are predicting something exists then proving it.
It is almost as if science can't predict crap about the future.
What do you mean, that's the literally the intended purpose of scientific knowledge. I'd even go so far as to say if a piece of scientific understanding doesn't have predictive value, it's probably useless. Even archaeology gives us insight into where we've been, thereby giving us some sort of indication of where we might be heading into the future.
No, the scientific method allows us to predict the outcome given a very specific and controlled set of circumstances. It doesn't allow us 'predict the future' in any meaningful sense of the phrase.
Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle means we can never reach a stage of perfect prediction, because we can never simultaneously know all the things that we'd need to know to predict it.
Finally, the entire scientific method is built on the non-falsifiable hypothesis that the underpinning mechanisms of the Universe are, and will remain, predictable.
I'm talking about the fundamentals of the way the Universe is actually wired up. You can't predict the future in any meaningful way; science tells us the exact opposite of "predict the future". As I specifically described: "the scientific method allows us to predict the outcome given a very specific and controlled set of circumstances". The only people making us "look like idiots" are the ones trying to tell people that 'science can predict the future'. It can't.
You can't predict the future in any meaningful way
you literally can predict it in extremely meaningful and accurate ways... classical mechanics which has been around for hundreds of years can predict EXACTLY where something will land when you throw it, or tell you how much a metal will expand when it gets hot.
If this isn't meaningful to you, I don't know what to tell you. How do you think men have engineered things for centuries? Obviously yeah you can't "predict the future" but you can predict that something will happen in the future. I'm not saying that science can tell us exactly when sea levels will rise or if they will at all because there's too much to take into account and things can change... but yeah, you can predict the future.
How do you think they sent spacecraft to Mars? How do you think we were able to send Voyager past the gas giants to take pictures of them if we weren't able to figure out exactly where those planets would be years after we launched it? We predicted that shit.
That uncertainty principle is for quantum stuff. It's for electrons. the heisenberg uncertainty principle doesn't mean that you can't predict how large things will play out.
You seem to be talking right past me. You are arguing something that the original OP in this comment chain never said, and which I specifically never defended. He said:
It is almost as if science can't predict crap about the future. They are pretty good at explaining the past, but have no idea how to correct for all the variables involved in predicting the future.
He's not talking about some controlled science experiment. He's talking about peering in to a crystal ball and predicting the future state of a complex system. And I support him in this assertion.
We can generally predict the behaviour of phenomena - as long as it's within certain constraints, as you correctly note, this is the foundation of the discipline of engineering, analysis of chemical reactions, and so on. But we can't predict the future; because to do so would require perfect knowledge of the state of the Universe (which we can never have) and the understanding necessary to analyse it in terms of causality, which we don't and can never have.
yeah, you're right, my bad dude. I just fixated on the uncertainty thing, but yeah your point still stands.
I still want to say we shouldn't just turn our nose at "science". it's sad, but leftists have managed to call things "science" that aren't. People who do science can lie, cheat, twist words, etc. You just need to try to sort out the truth from the lies.
CFC's are bad too, so glad they are being phased out worldwide as well.
CFC's are literally heavier than air. You can pour out the contents of old compressors in to a bucket. The "Ozone Hole" was discovered entirely as-is in the late 70's. It was never measured prior, and exists now essentially unchanged from how it was when it was found. The whole Ozone Hole Crisis was a dry-run for the Climate Change Crisis.
The ozone hole is caused by the big fucking volcano that pumps out superheated chlorine gas in to the atmosphere in that spot, along with a number of other circumstantial factors relating to airflow, sunlight hours, and so on. You might have heard of Mount Erebus.
But are they equivalent? Are the replacements as cheap or as efficient?
All we know about CFCs is that they are supposedly bad for the ozone layer. But they don't really effect the ozone layer at all. Climate Change is 100% propaganda, why wouldn't this be?
You hit the nail on the head. Climate change propaganders shut down when Milankovitch cycles come up, or when they're asked to show the effects of positive feedback loops that occur from it.
Do you know what the impact of the 1987 Montreal Accord was? Do you know that the social impact of the Montreal Accord was in terms of its impact on the perceptions of the more ...shall we say... 'malleable' members of society, and the rise of the Cult of Climate Change that followed? It was non-zero.
That fucking know-nothing, freeloading, couch surfing, useless lump of a man-child neckbeard that grew up rich and never worked a day in his life has been a massive cancer on this planet for more than a century. His ideas have destroyed more countries and more civilizations than even Islam. People talk about going back in time to kill Hitler, I'd go back in time and kill Karl Marx.
More taxes and more regulations that increased the cost of everything. Or am I the only one that noticed how the price of food spiked following the ethanol mandate?
The only hope of saving you and your children is to allow the implimentation of a mandatory carbon trading exchange. insert investment bank in which I am a major equity holder and sit on the board of directors, will collect commissions on all transactions. Only then can the Earth be saved.
So true, it's ALMOST LIKE THEY'RE IN A DOOMSDAY CULT. What's funny to me is that my Lefty relatives keep telling me that Trump supporters are a cult. Zero self awareness.
this is from about a week ago. The Copernicus Atmosphere Monitoring Service (CAMS) tweeted about the development. “The unprecedented 2020 northern hemisphere #OzoneHole has come to an end.
so i think humans an earth took care of the problem. much rejoicing
There's still a much bigger one over antarctica...thankfully nobody lives there, and it's slowly shrinking too...so over time this one will be sorted out harmlessly on our current course as well.
agreed. i think we are turning things around for the better. if the plan is sound an their is evidence and a plan people will get behind it. i think what we did back in the 2000s really made a difference. plus it helps if humanity an earth team up on things. earth can fix its self. its done it for billions of years.
Yeah, it was. You know how you can tell it was? Because they outlined a concrete plan to fix it, then told us the change they said was required to make it stop had worked and no further action was needed.
Fake crises never get solved and whatever they tell you to do, they come back a few years later and say it wasn't good enough and you need to do more. And they milk it for as long as they can then it just quietly fades from the news and gets forgotten while they tell you to fear something else.
funny im 30 an growing up school was all about the ozone layer.... hows that layer doing. i think we did good because recycling an being more mindful. thats how you get change. not yelling in peoples faces that they are gonna burn down earth... OH RIGHT about a wake or so ago The Copernicus Atmosphere Monitoring Service (CAMS) tweeted about the development. “The unprecedented 2020 northern hemisphere #OzoneHole has come to an end. Wonder how the fuck humans an earth did that. its shocking.
Ozone is the only bad example on here. In that case there was a specific problem, we found the specific cause, banned those specific chemicals, and the problem was gone within 10 years. The only lingering policy or liability from that program is those chemicals are still banned.
acid rain was pretty shitty too, its basically smog in rain, smog sucks ass, dunno if you ever lived in a city that has inversion air currents or in a shithole country without clean air laws but yea if fucking blows
They have been pushing the climate hoax since the 1990s. Check out the first 15 minutes of the 1992 movie Split Second, starring Rutger Hauer. It's a sci-fi flick that takes place in the future of 2008, when most of London is underwater due to muh global warming. It even includes the requisite propaganda blaming the United States for all of it.
As a farmer, I actually miss acid rain. We didn’t need to fertilize our crops for sulfur because we got minute amounts in rain droplets. Now we have to pay to add it to our fields for crops.
California has imposed restrictions on pollution for 40+ years. We have the dirtiest air in the Country. Billions wasted to be last. Just like the fucking train.
The oil exhaustion was a marketing campaign, that the media ran away with (This is a theme. The media has never been good.). If we keep using oil, we will eventually have to start manufacturing it, and the price will likely be higher. Current technology would cost somewhere between 2 and 5 times as much, but research is ongoing, and that's likely to improve.
Same thing happened with the ice age panic in the 70s. A kernel of truth (the volume of ice probably was increasing, probably driven by increased rainfall) was misinterpreted and blow out of all context by the media.
Acid rain really was stopped by changes in sulfur emissions regulations, but the original danger was overestimated (Thanks media), and most of the damage that could happen did. As always, government reacted too much, too late.
CFCs were the most genuine environmental problem of the century. I'm glad they're banned (except for medical use), and I'm happy to see newer, safer propellants coming to market now.
The ice caps probably are reducing in mass, and the media has run all over the place with this information. The satellite spectra data is extremely compelling, the Earth is heating up, and surely if it continues long enough, the ice will melt, the ocean will warm, sea levels will go up, and seawalls and dams will have to be constructed for hundreds of coastal cities at a cost of many billions of dollars. You should scale your worry accordingly.
Learning more about problems and mitigating them has saved humanity from literally every problem we've faced in the past. The fact that so many people in the media insist that this is the first time ever that we cannot possibly work smarter, and literally must work harder and suffer more to resolve our issues is exceedingly disappointing.
Ehat about all the animal spiecies that have disapared ? I mean there are stuffs going on about the encironment. Like in country side we havebo more bugs because a lot of chrmicals were used to grow crops. And those are onlu two little examples. Ok things arent that bad but lets not pretend we arent destroying our own environment. I've seen it change during my short life
Precisely. They fuck up everything the get their grubby greasy paws on
Yes, plus the fact that now houses are so expensive you can't buy one without a federally guaranteed mortgage, can't pay for college without federal student loans, can't get health care without buying it through the feds (Joepedo and Kamala's plan) - it's not about the government being able to do any of those things better or cheaper, it's about control and power. They want these things to be so expensive no one can have them without the feds providing access.
Interesting because I did mine on. Va loan and currently haven't paid rent due to forbearance for 6 months. Va sends .e a letter every month basically encouraging it. It gets tacked on the end of the loan interest free Nd they paying my taxes and insurance. But I do think you are on to something.
Less government equals less politicians equals less corruption equals less taxation equals more freedom.
Why do we put up with these idiots who ignore every rule while we follow them to the T? They turned me outlaw.
This might be in part due to basic economic ignorance:
A subsidy raises prices.
The government has subsidized all of these markets.
This is the legacy of boomers and Gen X. Sad.
Join the military.
scare tactics to keep turmoil in the lives of the peasants
I think it goes even deeper. I'm starting to think it's both sides fucking with us "sheep" to keep the stress levels up. I mean God forbid we let anyone be happy and enjoy their life..... this clearly explains why they hate Trump the outsider
And remember they ain't only after Trump, they're after us. A low IQ uneducated public is easy to control.
In the worst way. Everything you've learned is suspect. What is the true history? Is science a fairy tail spinner???
I'm 60 and they have been doing this my entire life. Strange that one of my early memories is the human caused Global Cooling and the Ozone Scares. Had me and other kids scared shitless (child abuse).
The number is up to 43 Major Climate Predictions that have been ALL near 100% false/fake.
You would think this fact alone would make all past and future climate predictions null and void from the moment they are mouthed.
Acid rain.
It is almost as if science can't predict crap about the future. They are pretty good at explaining the past, but have no idea how to correct for all the variables involved in predicting the future.
It's not science making these predictions.
It's power hungry people using selective facts to push an agenda onto an uninformed population under the fake authority of 'science'.
No way to prove them wrong about the past not like it’s coming back around in time.
I think scientist have learned and predicted some amazing things. But not the future. They can predict that certain particles that are hypothesized actually exist or that you can tell a star has planets around it because their gravity creates a wobble in the star. Those are great predictions but that is not the future. Those are predicting something exists then proving it.
Also we are not obligated to accept their version of science. You have brains, you can learn the world around you without their dialogue.
Half of science is theory, the other half fantasy. They lie more then they'll admit.
What do you mean, that's the literally the intended purpose of scientific knowledge. I'd even go so far as to say if a piece of scientific understanding doesn't have predictive value, it's probably useless. Even archaeology gives us insight into where we've been, thereby giving us some sort of indication of where we might be heading into the future.
No, the scientific method allows us to predict the outcome given a very specific and controlled set of circumstances. It doesn't allow us 'predict the future' in any meaningful sense of the phrase.
Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle means we can never reach a stage of perfect prediction, because we can never simultaneously know all the things that we'd need to know to predict it.
Finally, the entire scientific method is built on the non-falsifiable hypothesis that the underpinning mechanisms of the Universe are, and will remain, predictable.
do you even know what that principle applies to? you're making us look like idiots.
Excuse me, but I do.
I'm talking about the fundamentals of the way the Universe is actually wired up. You can't predict the future in any meaningful way; science tells us the exact opposite of "predict the future". As I specifically described: "the scientific method allows us to predict the outcome given a very specific and controlled set of circumstances". The only people making us "look like idiots" are the ones trying to tell people that 'science can predict the future'. It can't.
you literally can predict it in extremely meaningful and accurate ways... classical mechanics which has been around for hundreds of years can predict EXACTLY where something will land when you throw it, or tell you how much a metal will expand when it gets hot.
If this isn't meaningful to you, I don't know what to tell you. How do you think men have engineered things for centuries? Obviously yeah you can't "predict the future" but you can predict that something will happen in the future. I'm not saying that science can tell us exactly when sea levels will rise or if they will at all because there's too much to take into account and things can change... but yeah, you can predict the future.
How do you think they sent spacecraft to Mars? How do you think we were able to send Voyager past the gas giants to take pictures of them if we weren't able to figure out exactly where those planets would be years after we launched it? We predicted that shit.
That uncertainty principle is for quantum stuff. It's for electrons. the heisenberg uncertainty principle doesn't mean that you can't predict how large things will play out.
You seem to be talking right past me. You are arguing something that the original OP in this comment chain never said, and which I specifically never defended. He said:
He's not talking about some controlled science experiment. He's talking about peering in to a crystal ball and predicting the future state of a complex system. And I support him in this assertion.
We can generally predict the behaviour of phenomena - as long as it's within certain constraints, as you correctly note, this is the foundation of the discipline of engineering, analysis of chemical reactions, and so on. But we can't predict the future; because to do so would require perfect knowledge of the state of the Universe (which we can never have) and the understanding necessary to analyse it in terms of causality, which we don't and can never have.
yeah, you're right, my bad dude. I just fixated on the uncertainty thing, but yeah your point still stands.
I still want to say we shouldn't just turn our nose at "science". it's sad, but leftists have managed to call things "science" that aren't. People who do science can lie, cheat, twist words, etc. You just need to try to sort out the truth from the lies.
CFC's are literally heavier than air. You can pour out the contents of old compressors in to a bucket. The "Ozone Hole" was discovered entirely as-is in the late 70's. It was never measured prior, and exists now essentially unchanged from how it was when it was found. The whole Ozone Hole Crisis was a dry-run for the Climate Change Crisis.
The ozone hole is caused by the big fucking volcano that pumps out superheated chlorine gas in to the atmosphere in that spot, along with a number of other circumstantial factors relating to airflow, sunlight hours, and so on. You might have heard of Mount Erebus.
I mean, replacing CFCs with something equivalent but less terrible for the environment didn't affect you or anyone else at all.
And isn’t it funny how all of these that are easily identifiable and fixable end up getting fixed without much complaint?
But are they equivalent? Are the replacements as cheap or as efficient?
All we know about CFCs is that they are supposedly bad for the ozone layer. But they don't really effect the ozone layer at all. Climate Change is 100% propaganda, why wouldn't this be?
You hit the nail on the head. Climate change propaganders shut down when Milankovitch cycles come up, or when they're asked to show the effects of positive feedback loops that occur from it.
Do you know what the impact of the 1987 Montreal Accord was? Do you know that the social impact of the Montreal Accord was in terms of its impact on the perceptions of the more ...shall we say... 'malleable' members of society, and the rise of the Cult of Climate Change that followed? It was non-zero.
RIP Florida. Was going to be less than 20 years before it was underwater...remember reading about that in grade school in the mid 80's. RIP.
Al Gore's entire family should not be allowed to visit any area that is less than 20ft above sea level.
Yep, and it's strange (not really) how all these rich and famous people talking about ocean level rises constantly buy beachfront properties.
Funny how these ideas all started after Marxism.
That fucking know-nothing, freeloading, couch surfing, useless lump of a man-child neckbeard that grew up rich and never worked a day in his life has been a massive cancer on this planet for more than a century. His ideas have destroyed more countries and more civilizations than even Islam. People talk about going back in time to kill Hitler, I'd go back in time and kill Karl Marx.
Add to that 2018 we got 12 years till the end of the world
Then 2019 we got 14 months till the end of the world that was like 16 months ago
More taxes and more regulations that increased the cost of everything. Or am I the only one that noticed how the price of food spiked following the ethanol mandate?
I know I was hearing about the Ozone layer BS in the late 70s
The only hope of saving you and your children is to allow the implimentation of a mandatory carbon trading exchange. insert investment bank in which I am a major equity holder and sit on the board of directors, will collect commissions on all transactions. Only then can the Earth be saved.
So true, it's ALMOST LIKE THEY'RE IN A DOOMSDAY CULT. What's funny to me is that my Lefty relatives keep telling me that Trump supporters are a cult. Zero self awareness.
trump is to blame for everything tho cos i let people fuck my wife and im progressive.
So you're saying the taxes worked? The crises was magically avoided?
Heh, just like my Tiger Rock successfully keeps tigers away.
Okay the Ozone one was real though...but as soon as we figured it out we stopped using the chemical that does it.
this is from about a week ago. The Copernicus Atmosphere Monitoring Service (CAMS) tweeted about the development. “The unprecedented 2020 northern hemisphere #OzoneHole has come to an end.
so i think humans an earth took care of the problem. much rejoicing
There's still a much bigger one over antarctica...thankfully nobody lives there, and it's slowly shrinking too...so over time this one will be sorted out harmlessly on our current course as well.
agreed. i think we are turning things around for the better. if the plan is sound an their is evidence and a plan people will get behind it. i think what we did back in the 2000s really made a difference. plus it helps if humanity an earth team up on things. earth can fix its self. its done it for billions of years.
No it wasn’t
Yeah, it was. You know how you can tell it was? Because they outlined a concrete plan to fix it, then told us the change they said was required to make it stop had worked and no further action was needed.
Fake crises never get solved and whatever they tell you to do, they come back a few years later and say it wasn't good enough and you need to do more. And they milk it for as long as they can then it just quietly fades from the news and gets forgotten while they tell you to fear something else.
Plus, every decade they say the world is going to run out of food
funny im 30 an growing up school was all about the ozone layer.... hows that layer doing. i think we did good because recycling an being more mindful. thats how you get change. not yelling in peoples faces that they are gonna burn down earth... OH RIGHT about a wake or so ago The Copernicus Atmosphere Monitoring Service (CAMS) tweeted about the development. “The unprecedented 2020 northern hemisphere #OzoneHole has come to an end. Wonder how the fuck humans an earth did that. its shocking.
Love the meme, would be better without the flesh colored highlighter markup tho.
The taxes fixed it, DUMBASS!
Ozone is the only bad example on here. In that case there was a specific problem, we found the specific cause, banned those specific chemicals, and the problem was gone within 10 years. The only lingering policy or liability from that program is those chemicals are still banned.
But the rest message is spot on, here's a 1989 AP article explaining how humans will be literally wiped off the face of the earth by the year 2000 https://thedonald.win/p/GcGufTKm/guys-this-time-its-for-real-the-/c/
acid rain was pretty shitty too, its basically smog in rain, smog sucks ass, dunno if you ever lived in a city that has inversion air currents or in a shithole country without clean air laws but yea if fucking blows
They have been pushing the climate hoax since the 1990s. Check out the first 15 minutes of the 1992 movie Split Second, starring Rutger Hauer. It's a sci-fi flick that takes place in the future of 2008, when most of London is underwater due to muh global warming. It even includes the requisite propaganda blaming the United States for all of it.
Government is the common factor!
They also had overpopulation
Acid Rain lmfao. Haven’t heard that it years hahahahahahah
"but that wasn't real science" - some libtard probably
WE ARE CONSTANTLY IN PERIL!!!! -the Left
2010- the coasts will be gone in ten years
Of all the "broken clock" eventualities, it's unfortunate this one didn't play out (nothing personal, Florida)
As a farmer, I actually miss acid rain. We didn’t need to fertilize our crops for sulfur because we got minute amounts in rain droplets. Now we have to pay to add it to our fields for crops.
I was Gen Ozone.
All I know is that the humpbacks are still around, and I still have to take my shoes off at the airport.
I’m afraid to tell you but the purpose is much worse then more taxes, the “green” agenda is just one of the disguises for the new world order.
California has imposed restrictions on pollution for 40+ years. We have the dirtiest air in the Country. Billions wasted to be last. Just like the fucking train.
The oil exhaustion was a marketing campaign, that the media ran away with (This is a theme. The media has never been good.). If we keep using oil, we will eventually have to start manufacturing it, and the price will likely be higher. Current technology would cost somewhere between 2 and 5 times as much, but research is ongoing, and that's likely to improve.
Same thing happened with the ice age panic in the 70s. A kernel of truth (the volume of ice probably was increasing, probably driven by increased rainfall) was misinterpreted and blow out of all context by the media.
Acid rain really was stopped by changes in sulfur emissions regulations, but the original danger was overestimated (Thanks media), and most of the damage that could happen did. As always, government reacted too much, too late.
CFCs were the most genuine environmental problem of the century. I'm glad they're banned (except for medical use), and I'm happy to see newer, safer propellants coming to market now.
The ice caps probably are reducing in mass, and the media has run all over the place with this information. The satellite spectra data is extremely compelling, the Earth is heating up, and surely if it continues long enough, the ice will melt, the ocean will warm, sea levels will go up, and seawalls and dams will have to be constructed for hundreds of coastal cities at a cost of many billions of dollars. You should scale your worry accordingly.
Learning more about problems and mitigating them has saved humanity from literally every problem we've faced in the past. The fact that so many people in the media insist that this is the first time ever that we cannot possibly work smarter, and literally must work harder and suffer more to resolve our issues is exceedingly disappointing.
TRUTH, I've been around and remember.
Ehat about all the animal spiecies that have disapared ? I mean there are stuffs going on about the encironment. Like in country side we havebo more bugs because a lot of chrmicals were used to grow crops. And those are onlu two little examples. Ok things arent that bad but lets not pretend we arent destroying our own environment. I've seen it change during my short life