Heinlein wrote the book as his basic thoughts on the matter. The movie was made as satire. Book is really nothing like the movie and so much better. It’s more about the thoughts and philosophy/morals of Juan and they Terran federation that he was a part of.
Verhoen's "satire" has too many compelling elements on its face for me to truly believe he intended it all entirely as satire. I think he knew exactly what he was doing in Robocop, Total Recall, etc.
Of course, I don't know his intentions so I could be way off. You're not wrong about the book, that's for sure.
Far lefty creators can sometimes become so detached from ordinary morality that their “evil“ caricatures end up resonating with good and decent people. It’s totally unintentional and a complete indictment of the creator himself.
Great example: Alan Moore is a commie retard who thought his character of Rorschach was a clever caricature of evil right wing fascism, but it turns out Rorschach is the most sympathetic and honorable character in the watchmen story.
He admitted he knew nothing about it. "Script writer Ed Neumeier had been a fan of the novel since his childhood. Paul Verhoeven on the other hand had never read the book and attempted to read it for the film but it made him "bored and depressed", so he read only a few chapters:
I stopped after two chapters because it was so boring … It is really quite a bad book. I asked Ed Neumeier to tell me the story because I just couldn't read the thing. It's a very right-wing book." "While the novel has been accused of promoting militarism, fascism, and military rule, the film satirizes these concepts by featuring bombastic displays of nationalism as well as news reports that are intensely xenophobic and propagandistic.
Verhoeven stated in 1997 that the first scene of the film—an advertisement for the Mobile Infantry—was adapted shot-for-shot from a scene in Leni Riefenstahl's Triumph of the Will (1935), specifically an outdoor rally for the Reichsarbeitsdienst. Other references to Nazism in the movie include the Wehrmacht-inspired uniforms and insignia of field grade officers, M.I. working uniforms reminiscent of Mussolini's Blackshirts, Albert Speer's style of architecture and its propagandistic dialogue ("Violence is the supreme authority!").
In a 2014 interview on The Adam Carolla Show, the actor Michael Ironside, who read the novel as a youth, said that he asked Verhoeven, who grew up in the Nazi-occupied Netherlands, "Why are you doing a right-wing fascist movie?" Verhoeven replied, "If I tell the world that a right-wing, fascist way of doing things doesn't work, no one will listen to me. So I'm going to make a perfect fascist world: everyone is beautiful, everything is shiny, everything has big guns and fancy ships but it's only good for killing fucking Bugs!"
I've read everything he wrote, multiple times. He loses me with the later books and the incest stuff, but he was an old man by then. But his mid-career stuff is some of the best. His characters get really chatty at times, but he was often dealing with complex concepts.
He was a staunch Libertarian, but not the kind that's running loose these days. They don't make men like him anymore, sadly, but I gleaned a lot from his work as a teenager. My dad...well...he tried. I had to fill in a lot of blanks in life on my own, and RAH gave me a lot of things to think about. And I disagreed with a lot, too - but you're allowed to do that, at least for now. I expect that if the globalists win, his books will be burned like most of the Sci Fi greats.
I look at the "bestseller" lists for Sci Fi these days, and it's all women. I tried a couple. They're dreck. Stick to the classics, pedes.
I am a fan of the Starship Troopers voting system.
I would like to know more
Try the book. The movie was made by an idiot who thought he was making an anti-fascist mockumentary.
Yeah but Denise Richards...
Oh please. Dina Meyer was much hotter.
Heinlein wrote the book as his basic thoughts on the matter. The movie was made as satire. Book is really nothing like the movie and so much better. It’s more about the thoughts and philosophy/morals of Juan and they Terran federation that he was a part of.
Always more of a Diz fan, myself. (In the movie version.)
Verhoen's "satire" has too many compelling elements on its face for me to truly believe he intended it all entirely as satire. I think he knew exactly what he was doing in Robocop, Total Recall, etc.
Of course, I don't know his intentions so I could be way off. You're not wrong about the book, that's for sure.
Far lefty creators can sometimes become so detached from ordinary morality that their “evil“ caricatures end up resonating with good and decent people. It’s totally unintentional and a complete indictment of the creator himself.
Great example: Alan Moore is a commie retard who thought his character of Rorschach was a clever caricature of evil right wing fascism, but it turns out Rorschach is the most sympathetic and honorable character in the watchmen story.
He admitted he knew nothing about it. "Script writer Ed Neumeier had been a fan of the novel since his childhood. Paul Verhoeven on the other hand had never read the book and attempted to read it for the film but it made him "bored and depressed", so he read only a few chapters:
I stopped after two chapters because it was so boring … It is really quite a bad book. I asked Ed Neumeier to tell me the story because I just couldn't read the thing. It's a very right-wing book." "While the novel has been accused of promoting militarism, fascism, and military rule, the film satirizes these concepts by featuring bombastic displays of nationalism as well as news reports that are intensely xenophobic and propagandistic.
Verhoeven stated in 1997 that the first scene of the film—an advertisement for the Mobile Infantry—was adapted shot-for-shot from a scene in Leni Riefenstahl's Triumph of the Will (1935), specifically an outdoor rally for the Reichsarbeitsdienst. Other references to Nazism in the movie include the Wehrmacht-inspired uniforms and insignia of field grade officers, M.I. working uniforms reminiscent of Mussolini's Blackshirts, Albert Speer's style of architecture and its propagandistic dialogue ("Violence is the supreme authority!").
In a 2014 interview on The Adam Carolla Show, the actor Michael Ironside, who read the novel as a youth, said that he asked Verhoeven, who grew up in the Nazi-occupied Netherlands, "Why are you doing a right-wing fascist movie?" Verhoeven replied, "If I tell the world that a right-wing, fascist way of doing things doesn't work, no one will listen to me. So I'm going to make a perfect fascist world: everyone is beautiful, everything is shiny, everything has big guns and fancy ships but it's only good for killing fucking Bugs!"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starship_Troopers_(film)
you shut your dirty mouth
that movie is a
mastahpiece!!!
Well, if you like movies made by people that think agreeing with it makes you a fascist. He even admits he never read it. But you be you.
I'm doing my part!
I see what you did there!
Correct. Straight from the text.
Book is amazing, I am rereading it currently
I try to yearly. Looking like the best option more and more.
Robert Heinlein is a great author and a true patriot as well! That book was written so long ago but still rings truer every year, I feel.
I've read everything he wrote, multiple times. He loses me with the later books and the incest stuff, but he was an old man by then. But his mid-career stuff is some of the best. His characters get really chatty at times, but he was often dealing with complex concepts.
He was a staunch Libertarian, but not the kind that's running loose these days. They don't make men like him anymore, sadly, but I gleaned a lot from his work as a teenager. My dad...well...he tried. I had to fill in a lot of blanks in life on my own, and RAH gave me a lot of things to think about. And I disagreed with a lot, too - but you're allowed to do that, at least for now. I expect that if the globalists win, his books will be burned like most of the Sci Fi greats.
I look at the "bestseller" lists for Sci Fi these days, and it's all women. I tried a couple. They're dreck. Stick to the classics, pedes.
No argument here.