Heinlein wrote the book as his basic thoughts on the matter. The movie was made as satire. Book is really nothing like the movie and so much better. It’s more about the thoughts and philosophy/morals of Juan and they Terran federation that he was a part of.
Verhoen's "satire" has too many compelling elements on its face for me to truly believe he intended it all entirely as satire. I think he knew exactly what he was doing in Robocop, Total Recall, etc.
Of course, I don't know his intentions so I could be way off. You're not wrong about the book, that's for sure.
Far lefty creators can sometimes become so detached from ordinary morality that their “evil“ caricatures end up resonating with good and decent people. It’s totally unintentional and a complete indictment of the creator himself.
Great example: Alan Moore is a commie retard who thought his character of Rorschach was a clever caricature of evil right wing fascism, but it turns out Rorschach is the most sympathetic and honorable character in the watchmen story.
He admitted he knew nothing about it. "Script writer Ed Neumeier had been a fan of the novel since his childhood. Paul Verhoeven on the other hand had never read the book and attempted to read it for the film but it made him "bored and depressed", so he read only a few chapters:
I stopped after two chapters because it was so boring … It is really quite a bad book. I asked Ed Neumeier to tell me the story because I just couldn't read the thing. It's a very right-wing book." "While the novel has been accused of promoting militarism, fascism, and military rule, the film satirizes these concepts by featuring bombastic displays of nationalism as well as news reports that are intensely xenophobic and propagandistic.
Verhoeven stated in 1997 that the first scene of the film—an advertisement for the Mobile Infantry—was adapted shot-for-shot from a scene in Leni Riefenstahl's Triumph of the Will (1935), specifically an outdoor rally for the Reichsarbeitsdienst. Other references to Nazism in the movie include the Wehrmacht-inspired uniforms and insignia of field grade officers, M.I. working uniforms reminiscent of Mussolini's Blackshirts, Albert Speer's style of architecture and its propagandistic dialogue ("Violence is the supreme authority!").
In a 2014 interview on The Adam Carolla Show, the actor Michael Ironside, who read the novel as a youth, said that he asked Verhoeven, who grew up in the Nazi-occupied Netherlands, "Why are you doing a right-wing fascist movie?" Verhoeven replied, "If I tell the world that a right-wing, fascist way of doing things doesn't work, no one will listen to me. So I'm going to make a perfect fascist world: everyone is beautiful, everything is shiny, everything has big guns and fancy ships but it's only good for killing fucking Bugs!"
Interesting. As Socrates said [you know, paraphrasing a bit], the very worst person to ask about a piece of art is its creator. As a piece of satire it's a catastrophic failure, then--
Haha! Sorry man, was being sarcastic, I thought the movie was terrible - but so terrible I watched it multiple times w roomates back in the day and we LOLd at it. Had no idea the director was anything other than a tard or an accidental comic genius.
No worries. I have watched it a dozen times myself, purely for the comedy of it. TRhe number of people that think the book is an adaptation of the movie is staggering...
Try the book. The movie was made by an idiot who thought he was making an anti-fascist mockumentary.
Yeah but Denise Richards...
Oh please. Dina Meyer was much hotter.
Heinlein wrote the book as his basic thoughts on the matter. The movie was made as satire. Book is really nothing like the movie and so much better. It’s more about the thoughts and philosophy/morals of Juan and they Terran federation that he was a part of.
Always more of a Diz fan, myself. (In the movie version.)
Verhoen's "satire" has too many compelling elements on its face for me to truly believe he intended it all entirely as satire. I think he knew exactly what he was doing in Robocop, Total Recall, etc.
Of course, I don't know his intentions so I could be way off. You're not wrong about the book, that's for sure.
Far lefty creators can sometimes become so detached from ordinary morality that their “evil“ caricatures end up resonating with good and decent people. It’s totally unintentional and a complete indictment of the creator himself.
Great example: Alan Moore is a commie retard who thought his character of Rorschach was a clever caricature of evil right wing fascism, but it turns out Rorschach is the most sympathetic and honorable character in the watchmen story.
He admitted he knew nothing about it. "Script writer Ed Neumeier had been a fan of the novel since his childhood. Paul Verhoeven on the other hand had never read the book and attempted to read it for the film but it made him "bored and depressed", so he read only a few chapters:
I stopped after two chapters because it was so boring … It is really quite a bad book. I asked Ed Neumeier to tell me the story because I just couldn't read the thing. It's a very right-wing book." "While the novel has been accused of promoting militarism, fascism, and military rule, the film satirizes these concepts by featuring bombastic displays of nationalism as well as news reports that are intensely xenophobic and propagandistic.
Verhoeven stated in 1997 that the first scene of the film—an advertisement for the Mobile Infantry—was adapted shot-for-shot from a scene in Leni Riefenstahl's Triumph of the Will (1935), specifically an outdoor rally for the Reichsarbeitsdienst. Other references to Nazism in the movie include the Wehrmacht-inspired uniforms and insignia of field grade officers, M.I. working uniforms reminiscent of Mussolini's Blackshirts, Albert Speer's style of architecture and its propagandistic dialogue ("Violence is the supreme authority!").
In a 2014 interview on The Adam Carolla Show, the actor Michael Ironside, who read the novel as a youth, said that he asked Verhoeven, who grew up in the Nazi-occupied Netherlands, "Why are you doing a right-wing fascist movie?" Verhoeven replied, "If I tell the world that a right-wing, fascist way of doing things doesn't work, no one will listen to me. So I'm going to make a perfect fascist world: everyone is beautiful, everything is shiny, everything has big guns and fancy ships but it's only good for killing fucking Bugs!"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starship_Troopers_(film)
Interesting. As Socrates said [you know, paraphrasing a bit], the very worst person to ask about a piece of art is its creator. As a piece of satire it's a catastrophic failure, then--
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The best part is when broken down, neither the book nor the movie is fascist. So he technically failed on that part as well!
you shut your dirty mouth
that movie is a
mastahpiece!!!
Well, if you like movies made by people that think agreeing with it makes you a fascist. He even admits he never read it. But you be you.
Haha! Sorry man, was being sarcastic, I thought the movie was terrible - but so terrible I watched it multiple times w roomates back in the day and we LOLd at it. Had no idea the director was anything other than a tard or an accidental comic genius.
No worries. I have watched it a dozen times myself, purely for the comedy of it. TRhe number of people that think the book is an adaptation of the movie is staggering...