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_-Th0r-_ [S] 3 points ago +3 / -0

Dolloff initiated contact with his left hand in the frame that looks like he’s going for Kelter’s gun in the right hand.

That alone can establish him as the physical aggressor, which disqualifies you from use of deadly force.

But you bring up another food point: a gunshot went off and nobody started screaming or hitting the deck. Some of the people just sort of casually turned their heads at the sound, but they didn’t seem to be the crowd panicked by a shooting.

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BaronFalcon 4 points ago +4 / -0

Yes, Dolloff definitely initiated physical contact which completely destroys any self defense argument. The real bombshell that no ones talking about is the surveillance footage that DPD has from the camera directly over the area this took place. It was immediately after this information came out that the investigation was upgraded to 1st degree murder.

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_-Th0r-_ [S] 2 points ago +2 / -0

Good point. Getty pics probably aren’t all the police can see.

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BaronFalcon 5 points ago +5 / -0

Then theres video of the agitator, the shooter and reporter shadowing Kelter, Tiegen on Tucker stating he saw them all huddling before the incident. Many other comments elsewhere stating the shooter and reporter themselves were actively engaging and taking signs from people etc. I'm highly anticipating 4chans next drop.

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