That's pretty much always been the Democratic strategy, promise free stuff. Unfortunately, it's the people on the right who have jobs and pay taxes that finance all of those things.
Of course the poorest suffer the most. Now poor American families compete with illegals for housing, jobs and school resources. Sorry, your kid can't get extra reading help because we are spending all that money on English as a 2nd language. Sorry your wages are now lower because there are illegals willing to work under the table and the employer doesn't pay taxes...
this simply isnt true. i have the handshake icon for 7 months while i was an active member of the donald before it came to here and since its been here. in fact, if you look at my post history you will see evidence of false claims such as you speak.
It does rile me up a bit when the media and political elite have been saying most of my life there are 10 to 15 million illegal immigrants Nationwide. I'm in florida and we have millions of illegals, and Texas, az, California have the same problems. Even if we believed that number 20 years ago they expect us to believe the number hasn't increased at all?
The problem is, they're allowed to vote in most of these places, they're often prioritized over American workers, they want to transform the country, and sorry lefties, they're all criminals in one way or another. If they're not citizens, they shouldn't be represented by our govornment
That's why a lot of people don't believe me when I tell each illegal costs the taxpayer 24k a month on average.
Between free housing, health care, education, in some places a vehicle as well, then the job that could have also gone elsewhere, and the cost on the infrastructure...it all adds up. It's not a 24k check from the govornment it's the total cost.
It's one of the reasons Dems are racist because these jobs could be going to African Americans or any American for that matter that now get to live in poverty and at times perpetually unemployed. We know where that leads
H1B Visa hello, Invite your entire fucking family on Travel Visas.....never fucking leave, suck off welfare, DHS is doing absolute jack shit about this form of Illegal Immigration. This is 40% of the Illegals in America. Wake the fuck up people, it isnt all people jumping the border.
This is like modern day slave trade. Big corporations are handing out these visas like candy. They hire foreign workers instead of Americans and pay them slave salary which saves them loads of $$$. A few years ago it was reported that Disney forced some of their emplyees to train these foreign workers who are about to replace them. It's like a stab in the chest and salt on the wound.
There's also the issue that practically no other countries have birthright citizenship. Try having an anchor baby in Mexico or France, and tell them that because the kid was born there, they are now full citizens with voting rights and on the government teat. They'll tell you to GTFO you dumb Yankee. (Well not in those exact words, they would probably say it French or Spanish.)
For people who scream about international norms all the time, that is one norm the left is conspicuously against.
It may give them more votes in the EC, but they still can't take over and tell everyone else what to do. That's the beauty of the EC - every state gets a voice no matter how small they are.
Because of Trump's appointments, the 9th is no longer a guaranteed win for the left anymore. Trump's been getting many favorable rulings out of it. The left is quickly losing their ability to legislate by the bench, which will be one of Trump's biggest contributions to this country.
They use to be able to pass their shitty social policies through the court in order to preserve their own image. Now they can’t do that anymore. For the Democrats it’s now “you want pedophilia to be legal, then you have to go to congress on live television and advocate for it in front of everyone... good luck surviving”
I imagine if illegals weren’t counted the dems stand to loose a lot of seats. Hell might even turn California into a purple state. No wonder a conservative SC scares the dems so much.
There's something with Illegal aliens. They like to scratch their name on every surface they have ever shit in. Don't believe me? Go to southern CA. The further south you get, the more Hispanic names are carved into public bathrooms. They even carve their names into toilet seats.
The best way to turn California into a purple state would be to have a state level electoral college system. The only reason we are so blue is because of the coastal cities in LA and the SF Bay Area. Almost every other county is red as fuck. Honestly if something doesn’t change soon I guarantee you that the north will split off and form the state of Jefferson.
In a few years in the 40s and 50s the US government managed to deport almost 2 million illegal aliens during Operation Wetback. They can do it again in even greater numbers. It only requires will.
The difference between Americans of the 40s/50s compared to today is night and day. Americans back then cared about the country and fought tooth and nail to keep America for Americans, while fighting communism. Now? Now this country has turned into a loose, sloppy pussy that gets fucked over and over again.
Exactly! Beyond violating nearly all federal laws and most of the Constitution, a Communist Style State like Californicatu shouldn't have any seats. They would be another Venezuela if they were not part of the US.
This shit pisses me off, why would you include illegal aliens in a census for a country in which they aren't supposed to be? They're not citizens. How hard is it to figure out? Why not just let people who are here on vacation be part of the census too?
i do too, but how are you going to ever deport them when they probably have 'legal' kids who are citizens here and have never been in the country you want to deport the parents to? think about all the political and media opposition there would be to this. you'd never get away with it. the republican party would fight you tooth and nail and they wouldn't give you anything, no judges, no other appointments, NOTHING. that's the reality we're in.
That is a problem, but it really irritates me. If someone robs banks, and then gets caught, do their kids get to keep the money because they're accustomed to that lifestyle? If someone's here illegally, then their kids should not be citizens, and the whole family should be sent back to wherever the parents are from. No, it won't be nice for the kids, but that's the fault of their criminal parents for putting them in that position. Even if it's not possible to remove the kids "citizenship" they should still go with their parents. Once they're of age, they can chose to come back to the US if they want, but the parents cannot. Tough luck, quit breaking the law. Slinking over the border, popping out a kid, and then claiming you have to stay because you had a kid is ridiculous. Boot them all out and make them fix their own crummy country.
yeah we should boot them all out but legally how would we do that? the anchor baby laws have already been put in place. legally, they are legal. and they aren't citizens of some other country because they've never been there, so what legal basis would we have for dumping them in that country now? ideally yeah, do it. but we can't. and no RINO would allow even a discussion about anything approaching that. they wouldn't even allow sending their parents back. and what would we do with the kids without parents?
Oh I know it's just wishful thinking, everyone just sits down and cries crocodile tears at the thought of making illegal aliens leave. That does actually raise the question though - why aren't the kids automatically citizens of their parent's countries? I mean, isn't our "birthright citizenship" thing kind of unusual? Generally, a child born on foreign soil will not be a citizen of that country, only of their parents' country. Legally, shouldn't the Chinese, Mexican, Guatemalan, etc. children born here be citizens of their parents countries?
Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons.
14th Amend, Clause 2:
Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed.
= Illegals for census count as 3/5ths for taxation and other purposes, but illegals for zero-Fifths for House representitive apportionment. And no this is not raycist or only about slavery as taught, it's game theory apportionment written into the Constitution.
PS: Article 1, Section 2, Clause 4:
When vacancies happen in the Representation from any State, the Executive Authority thereof shall issue Writs of Election to fill such Vacancies.
Why is the Governor of CA Gavin Newsom allowed to openly violate Clause 4, since Jan 11th, in the solidly Republican CA-50th Congressional District????? Cutting his political rivals, and keeping a republican out of his Aunt's hair dew. Someone ask at the hearing please, the most basic Rule of Law!
The issue with illegal invaders is votes in the Electoral College, seats in the House, and proportionality of Federal funds. Gerrymandering is small potatoes compared to the real problem.
I am fucking sick of being disenfranchised by illegal invaders being counted in blue states, in particular California, which makes my vote and representation not proportional. This is the literal definition of a Constitutional violation and it should require immediate hard action by SCOTUS. Unfortunately, the ideal time for the correct ruling would have been about 2 years ago.
Being a citizen doesn't mean a damn thing if illegal aliens are counted for the purpose of districting.
How is it any different than just letting illegal aliens vote if we give them house seats and electoral college votes in localities that are clearly heavily Democrat controlled?
Trump can absolutely exclude non-citizens from the census and require a validation process for voting. The Constitution literally outlines that citizens, not residents or immigrants, are what are to be counted.
And nothing, absolutely no law, is above the Constitution. If it does not align with the constitution, it is abhorrent and both can, and will, be struck down.
Not just illegals, but ALL non-citizens. Even if you're here legally, if you're not a citizen you shouldn't be counted for house seats, electoral votes, or funding. If you want it that badly, do the work to become a citizen and integrate.
And NY.
ALL THE BLUE STATES.
Especially here in New Jersey.
Not enough legal immigrants are replacing the US Citizens moving to Red States, so they attract illegals via free shit like a magnet.
They're banking on getting repaid via Census Federal Allocation money.
That's pretty much always been the Democratic strategy, promise free stuff. Unfortunately, it's the people on the right who have jobs and pay taxes that finance all of those things.
Everyone suffers.
Of course the poorest suffer the most. Now poor American families compete with illegals for housing, jobs and school resources. Sorry, your kid can't get extra reading help because we are spending all that money on English as a 2nd language. Sorry your wages are now lower because there are illegals willing to work under the table and the employer doesn't pay taxes...
why link that. looks so scammy. you shouldn't be here
this simply isnt true. i have the handshake icon for 7 months while i was an active member of the donald before it came to here and since its been here. in fact, if you look at my post history you will see evidence of false claims such as you speak.
Everything is in play!
It does rile me up a bit when the media and political elite have been saying most of my life there are 10 to 15 million illegal immigrants Nationwide. I'm in florida and we have millions of illegals, and Texas, az, California have the same problems. Even if we believed that number 20 years ago they expect us to believe the number hasn't increased at all?
The problem is, they're allowed to vote in most of these places, they're often prioritized over American workers, they want to transform the country, and sorry lefties, they're all criminals in one way or another. If they're not citizens, they shouldn't be represented by our govornment
Most of your life, and the number hasn't changed much.
They know the real number would horrify and red pill the brainless masses.
So what do we think the real number is? I've figure it's around 50mil.
At least.the blue states would be barren wastelands without them
how could it be that much? if it is, then within 18yrs when their legal kids can vote, we'll be fucked and losing elections by 100million votes
wrong. those kids are legal. if they're born in the US they get citizenship. unfortunately.
edit- oops, i read your post as saying 'illegal kids'. the post i replied to was claiming there were 50mill illegals. not legals, but illegals.
Right open borders over bush and Obama didn't add to the number, give me a fucking break. Chain migration and auto amnesty, give me a fucking break.
I think there was a study done a year or 2 ago that said the number was 35 million minimum
That's why a lot of people don't believe me when I tell each illegal costs the taxpayer 24k a month on average.
Between free housing, health care, education, in some places a vehicle as well, then the job that could have also gone elsewhere, and the cost on the infrastructure...it all adds up. It's not a 24k check from the govornment it's the total cost.
It's one of the reasons Dems are racist because these jobs could be going to African Americans or any American for that matter that now get to live in poverty and at times perpetually unemployed. We know where that leads
I don’t believe your figure either. Gonna need to see a source on that. $24k a month? Nope.
https://www.oann.com/debtclock/
H1B Visa hello, Invite your entire fucking family on Travel Visas.....never fucking leave, suck off welfare, DHS is doing absolute jack shit about this form of Illegal Immigration. This is 40% of the Illegals in America. Wake the fuck up people, it isnt all people jumping the border.
This is like modern day slave trade. Big corporations are handing out these visas like candy. They hire foreign workers instead of Americans and pay them slave salary which saves them loads of $$$. A few years ago it was reported that Disney forced some of their emplyees to train these foreign workers who are about to replace them. It's like a stab in the chest and salt on the wound.
Yep we need to fully prosecute and deport visa overstays. Not to mention they have anchor babies here
There's also the issue that practically no other countries have birthright citizenship. Try having an anchor baby in Mexico or France, and tell them that because the kid was born there, they are now full citizens with voting rights and on the government teat. They'll tell you to GTFO you dumb Yankee. (Well not in those exact words, they would probably say it French or Spanish.)
For people who scream about international norms all the time, that is one norm the left is conspicuously against.
Bigot
They are everywhere.
NO THEY'RE NOT THEY'RE IN THE SHADOWS!!!
or so I've been told
Which is why they hate the electoral college so much - with the popular vote, they'd be able to tell everyone else in the country how to live.
Do you seriously believe they can't vote in SF, Portland, NY, NJ, Denver???
It may give them more votes in the EC, but they still can't take over and tell everyone else what to do. That's the beauty of the EC - every state gets a voice no matter how small they are.
It’s been changed to “undocumented” because the left is the epitome of Orwellian doublespeak.
Yep, being an “undocumented” immigrant is illegal, so moot point you dumbass leftists.
The word "undocumented" is going to be illegal. Maybe they'll use "paperless".
Their ultimate goal was to have it be “Paperless Citizen”
But we reverted back to illegal alien, so HAH!
1984 is scarily prophetic.
"Here's a document detailing the number of undocumented immigrants"
Which is a stepping stone to just saying immigrant. Which they already do a lot of the time, but they want to make it official with open borders.
Borders are just like capitalist constructs maaaaan
It doesn't when you say "undocumented"
Still is called illegal immigrant.
Could be called trebuchet ammunition?
There is this annoying tic called the 9th circuit, we'd like you to look at.
Are they acting within their jurisdiction ?
Are we all asleep ?
They have been working on repealing shitty gun laws in CA like mags over 10 rounds.
Yup, the 9th is starting to become more based. Give it a little more time
Because of Trump's appointments, the 9th is no longer a guaranteed win for the left anymore. Trump's been getting many favorable rulings out of it. The left is quickly losing their ability to legislate by the bench, which will be one of Trump's biggest contributions to this country.
Absolutely! We should see the same thing once ACB gets in.
They use to be able to pass their shitty social policies through the court in order to preserve their own image. Now they can’t do that anymore. For the Democrats it’s now “you want pedophilia to be legal, then you have to go to congress on live television and advocate for it in front of everyone... good luck surviving”
That picture cracks me up haha
I imagine if illegals weren’t counted the dems stand to loose a lot of seats. Hell might even turn California into a purple state. No wonder a conservative SC scares the dems so much.
California is something like 10-25% illegals. Not exaggerating.
This. People ignore this absolute fact.
I've been there. Your right.
There's something with Illegal aliens. They like to scratch their name on every surface they have ever shit in. Don't believe me? Go to southern CA. The further south you get, the more Hispanic names are carved into public bathrooms. They even carve their names into toilet seats.
I don't get it.
Animals mark their territory, criminals aren't far off from them.
Every toilet must be called a Juan?
Juan = John right? Practicing their English!
This would be a statistically poor decision.
Same thing, conservatives want to conserve the constitution.
Not only that, but whatever House seats California or some other state loses, another state gains.
Doesn't turn their state purple. Just reduces how many blue electoral votes they cast.
The best way to turn California into a purple state would be to have a state level electoral college system. The only reason we are so blue is because of the coastal cities in LA and the SF Bay Area. Almost every other county is red as fuck. Honestly if something doesn’t change soon I guarantee you that the north will split off and form the state of Jefferson.
DEPORT, THEN
In a few years in the 40s and 50s the US government managed to deport almost 2 million illegal aliens during Operation Wetback. They can do it again in even greater numbers. It only requires will.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Wetback
The difference between Americans of the 40s/50s compared to today is night and day. Americans back then cared about the country and fought tooth and nail to keep America for Americans, while fighting communism. Now? Now this country has turned into a loose, sloppy pussy that gets fucked over and over again.
I agree. Ramp it up. These are one expansion in gov't jobs I can agree with.
Make "wetback" a thing again. Many cross the Ro Grande. Some pay for transport across without getting wet.
No state should be rewarded for harboring illegals
Exactly! Beyond violating nearly all federal laws and most of the Constitution, a Communist Style State like Californicatu shouldn't have any seats. They would be another Venezuela if they were not part of the US.
This shit pisses me off, why would you include illegal aliens in a census for a country in which they aren't supposed to be? They're not citizens. How hard is it to figure out? Why not just let people who are here on vacation be part of the census too?
You don't count tourists in Florida, you shouldn't count illegals in CA.
Same reason they wanted to count their other slaves
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/supreme-court-trump-end-census-couont-early
https://www.kfvs12.com/2020/10/13/supreme-court-halts-census-latest-twist-count/
i do too, but how are you going to ever deport them when they probably have 'legal' kids who are citizens here and have never been in the country you want to deport the parents to? think about all the political and media opposition there would be to this. you'd never get away with it. the republican party would fight you tooth and nail and they wouldn't give you anything, no judges, no other appointments, NOTHING. that's the reality we're in.
That is a problem, but it really irritates me. If someone robs banks, and then gets caught, do their kids get to keep the money because they're accustomed to that lifestyle? If someone's here illegally, then their kids should not be citizens, and the whole family should be sent back to wherever the parents are from. No, it won't be nice for the kids, but that's the fault of their criminal parents for putting them in that position. Even if it's not possible to remove the kids "citizenship" they should still go with their parents. Once they're of age, they can chose to come back to the US if they want, but the parents cannot. Tough luck, quit breaking the law. Slinking over the border, popping out a kid, and then claiming you have to stay because you had a kid is ridiculous. Boot them all out and make them fix their own crummy country.
yeah we should boot them all out but legally how would we do that? the anchor baby laws have already been put in place. legally, they are legal. and they aren't citizens of some other country because they've never been there, so what legal basis would we have for dumping them in that country now? ideally yeah, do it. but we can't. and no RINO would allow even a discussion about anything approaching that. they wouldn't even allow sending their parents back. and what would we do with the kids without parents?
Oh I know it's just wishful thinking, everyone just sits down and cries crocodile tears at the thought of making illegal aliens leave. That does actually raise the question though - why aren't the kids automatically citizens of their parent's countries? I mean, isn't our "birthright citizenship" thing kind of unusual? Generally, a child born on foreign soil will not be a citizen of that country, only of their parents' country. Legally, shouldn't the Chinese, Mexican, Guatemalan, etc. children born here be citizens of their parents countries?
This meme template sucks, don't cover up her smile.
Her smirk tells the socialist senators she's not afraid them.
Article 1 Section 2:
14th Amend, Clause 2:
= Illegals for census count as 3/5ths for taxation and other purposes, but illegals for zero-Fifths for House representitive apportionment. And no this is not raycist or only about slavery as taught, it's game theory apportionment written into the Constitution.
PS: Article 1, Section 2, Clause 4:
Why is the Governor of CA Gavin Newsom allowed to openly violate Clause 4, since Jan 11th, in the solidly Republican CA-50th Congressional District????? Cutting his political rivals, and keeping a republican out of his Aunt's hair dew. Someone ask at the hearing please, the most basic Rule of Law!
The issue with illegal invaders is votes in the Electoral College, seats in the House, and proportionality of Federal funds. Gerrymandering is small potatoes compared to the real problem.
I am fucking sick of being disenfranchised by illegal invaders being counted in blue states, in particular California, which makes my vote and representation not proportional. This is the literal definition of a Constitutional violation and it should require immediate hard action by SCOTUS. Unfortunately, the ideal time for the correct ruling would have been about 2 years ago.
I wonder how many electoral votes blue states would lose if illegals were no longer counted? I would love to see California lose at least ten.
Being a citizen doesn't mean a damn thing if illegal aliens are counted for the purpose of districting.
How is it any different than just letting illegal aliens vote if we give them house seats and electoral college votes in localities that are clearly heavily Democrat controlled?
Better buy your stonks now, this meme template’s about to take off!
They need to be excluded from the country.
Fair to say Colorado is going to become a bit more of a reddish purple this time around if this is the case?
This is definitely why we need her on the SCOTUS along with many other important cases. This will ultimately strip CA of electoral votes.
Why haven't Sanctuary Cities been ended yet?
Why should non-citizens get representation in a nation’s government? Ridiculous
Trump can absolutely exclude non-citizens from the census and require a validation process for voting. The Constitution literally outlines that citizens, not residents or immigrants, are what are to be counted.
And nothing, absolutely no law, is above the Constitution. If it does not align with the constitution, it is abhorrent and both can, and will, be struck down.
they are their illegally. No one may benefit from a crime. including the census.
What a load of BS. “Can’t exclude illegals”? That is exactly what you do! Hence why they are illegal!
Clown world!
Excellent
lez go
Fuck around and find out.
We need to prep to helos for these judges.
Having illegal aliens in your district should disqualify EVERY vote from your district.
There's no way we can be sure that they're not voting.
If illegal aliens from the south voted conservatively the left would never support them, remember that.
Damn straight!
California pede here vomited all the way down the ballot!
Can't someone go to all schools and pay all if that watch a video.. there are some that easy Will flipp en over?
Shh
She's a bleeding heart Liberal. You guys are shooting yourselfs in the foot supporting her.
Turn CA red!!
I don't get the logic of not keeping America for americans. Free loaders out.
Not just illegals, but ALL non-citizens. Even if you're here legally, if you're not a citizen you shouldn't be counted for house seats, electoral votes, or funding. If you want it that badly, do the work to become a citizen and integrate.
Just gonna say, FUCK ILLEGALS
This has potential to be the bet meme format of the year! NO! OF ALL TIME!!!