A Democratic party activist in Colorado was recorded as saying that the “2020 is a political revolution” and that he will lie, cheat, and steal to win. He called it “morally acceptable.”

The activist is Kristopher Jacks, a leader at Our Revolution Weld County Colorado—a local branch of the Our Revolution nonprofit that spun off the 2016 presidential campaign of Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.).

He was identified as “a member of the Colorado Democratic Party Executive and Central Committees” in his article published in August on the website of the Weld County Democratic Party. The article ceased to be accessible around the same time a video of Jacks making the comments was released on Oct. 13 by Project Veritas, an undercover journalism nonprofit.

“I am going to do everything morally acceptable to win,” he was recorded as saying in a clip dated Jan. 9.

“I will lie. I will cheat. I will steal. Because that’s morally acceptable in this political environment. Absolutely. We are pirates on a pirate ship and we have a bright future ahead of us or we have ‘Mad Max.’ I don’t want to—I’ve got an awesome war rig, but I don’t want to be driving it around the apocalyptic wasteland. Let’s bring in a better future and I will knock people down the stairs as long as they don’t die to make this happen.”

Jacks, the Colorado Democratic Party, the Weld County Democratic Party, and Our Revolution didn’t respond to requests for comment.

When ultimately confronted by Veritas’ founder James O’Keefe, Jacks doubled down: “Yes. I will lie to people who lie to us. I will cheat people who cheat us. … I stand by everything that I said.”