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She complained that illegal aliens are not adequately represented in state government, and described her appointment as a step towards correcting that alleged injustice.
Injustice? At least Breitbart uses the legal definition: ILLEGAL
I never understood the idea of illegal immigrants willingly becoming public figures. Like... wouldn’t they want to keep a low profile to avoid being deported?
As someone in the Bay, I agree. Pretty much everything wrong with the world and CA right now centers around here. We’d be nuked if everyone heard what people here often say in passing and believe about the rest of America and anyone willing to disagree with them.
And, as you’d expect of a communist dream area, we’ve got people looting and pooping in the street and in general setting us all back hundreds of years. I have higher standards for my dog than our DA has for people out here.
If a nation ever dared invade the west coast, they’d avoid the big naval/military presence in the Pacific NW and San Diego...the soft communist underbelly of SF Bay Area would fold over pathetically and welcome them with open arms before the counter-attack from across the Sierra Nevada
“The US is like, literally, the worst country in America.”
Imagine blaming everything bad that’s ever happened or will happen on America, and you get the gist. It’s like a battle to interpret any and all things as a jab at America. It’s the inverse of a devote Christian. Instead of finding God’s divine plan and focusing on the positive, you take everything as a chance to shit on the one country that puts up with and allows for you to do that.
“Anyone outside of CA and NY is racist, bigoted, stupid trash. Especially white people, because we should burn them.”
“If America’s so bad, why are people killing themselves and doing Mission Impossible level stunts trying to get here? Who the fuck’s trying to get into Mexico or China or any Muslim country? You couldn’t pay most people to live there.”
The best way to do this is for us to flee the state. The state is rewarded by the conservative head count. And what do we get for it? Fires, taxes, mask mandates, and prison-like conditions.
Leave. The. State.
And vote so Red your new neighbors will see what kind of people CA has had all along.
The problem with leaving is that it creates a super singularity of shit in this state that will metastasize into a virulent cancer that flings rogue cells off into other states as dumbass leftists flee the shit they created and poison other states. California to be fixed or else it will slowly rot this union on its own. People who don't live in CA underestimate the sheer pervasiveness of the retardation that goes on in the liberal strongholds here. I had to live it my whole life, and I grew up in a tiny suburban town so it wasn't even peak bullshit.
I disagree with the idea that leftists leave blue cities/states and continue to vote blue and somehow spread it. I truly believe that is a myth. Instead, I believe it is the inner cities that create leftists. And flyover states create conservatives. Not the other way around. In other words, an average person moving to an inner city will more-than-likely become a Dem voter. And an average person moving to a small town will more-than-likely become a Rep voter.
We are largely the product of our environment.
Therefore, the more people who live outside of major cities, the better chances they’ll vote conservative.
You’re preaching to the choir. Being on this site alone proves we’re more vigilant than an average American. I’m talking about the likelihood of the ‘average’ American turning blue.
I didn't downvote you, I don't know what makes people go blue. But obviously it happens. My guess is college. Plenty of people send their normal kids to college and get back a liberal asshole in return.
That's the curriculum, infiltrated by the USSR ages ago. It's a self-perpetuation infiltration operation, with no guidance or handlers, spiraling out of control.
This is something I’ve thought about for a long time. Here’s my current theory:
We are born on the Left.
As babies we are greedy, selfish, attention-seeking, immoral, corruptible, manipulative liars.
We want the other kid’s toy. And we want someone else to pay for it. And we don’t want to bear the consequences of our decisions. And we’ll cry til we get our way. And we’ll vote democrat cuz they think like a baby.
We have to actually *mature* to grow out of that.
This is the red-pill moment many of us have had.
Until this eye opening experience happens, we are on the Left by default. College, the media, music, pop culture all reinforce this baby-like state of mind. Unplug from it and we’d mature on our own, and finally #WalkAway.
I understand your point, but have to disagree. We are in a very RED county in California. Great living conditions, great schools, etc. There are LOTS of folks from the city moving out here and voting blue. We have seen a big shift over the last 20 years. There is LOTS of push back, but most of the conservatives are older folks and it is the younger hipsters moving out of their self-built shitholes that are invading our peaceful space. (I guess much like folks are invading Texas and Idaho from Cali.)
The individualism of northern wheat farming vs the collective nature of southern rice farming. Chairman Mao arising out of rural southern China seems to at least fit the echo chamber hypothesis
Must also consider that tens of thousands of Californian's have moved to Austin over the last 30 years. I lived there in the 90's. Went back last year. Wow, looks like it's tracking about 10 years behind SF now. So sad to see the decline from the Cali folks piling in.
The problem is that the conservative silent majority inflates the population, while corrupt rigged elections ensure that there will always be a leftist government running things into the ground. Liberty isn't dead, but it is bound and gagged by those who want it dead, though.
Californian here, yes, they send people to your door if you don't fill it out. I hadn't filled out a census since 1980. I refused. I have a locked gate around my property so they couldn't do anything but leave notes. They start threatening you after the 3rd attempt.
Losing 10 electoral votes seems like a lot. They would probably lose about 4 million people which means they would lose about 10% of their electoral votes.
They have 53 electoral votes; that would mean losing 5 or 6 electoral votes leaving them with 47 or 48. (Edited)
Yes, I read up on it after posting. If only citizens were counted Pres. Trump would have got 310 electoral votes instead of 306. CA would have lost 4, Tx, Fl and Ny would have lost 1 each. Louisiana, Ohio, Missouri, Minnesota, Colorado, Michigan and Montana would have each gained one.
https://thepoliticalinsider.com/revealed-the-secret-way-illegals-influence-elections/
Census has been delayed in my area. Only mailed out postcards happened. No house to house collection for people refusing to provide government with names of all that live I'm house.
It is rational thought, they want illegals counted because they vote blue. Also it helps raise the house seats and electoral votes in the states illegals keep blue.
They want illegals "counted" (and indiscernible from citizens) so they can have a untraceable way of inflating population data to allow them to create more fake ballots to steal the election on a critical county-by-county level.
ACB claims to be an originalist. The founding fathers meant for this to mean all former slaves only. We'll know if she's the next John Roberts based on her ruling here
She didn’t acknowledge systematic racism. She said “any justice system as large as ours will inevitably have racist elements.” Meaning the more people that are involved in a system, the more likely that some will be racists.
I checked the transcripts. The following exchange is on Day 2 when Durbin asked her about systemic racism. She left a lot of wiggle room. imo.
DURBIN: OBVIOUSLY HAS A PASSION FOR HISTORY, I CAN'T IMAGINE YOU COULD SEPARATE THE TWO, TO REFLECT ON THE HISTORY OF THIS COUNTRY. WHERE ARE WE TODAY WHEN IT COMES TO THE ISSUE OF RACE? SOME ARGUE IT IS FINE. EVERYTHING IS FINE, AND YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO TEACH CHILDREN ABOUT THE HISTORY OF SLAVERY AND DISCRIMINATION. OTHERS SAY THERE IS AN IMPLICIT BIAS IT SO MANY ASPECTS OF AMERICAN LIFE THAT WE HAVE TO BE VERY CANDID ABOUT IT AND ADDRESS. OTHERS GO FURTHER AND SAY IT IS SYSTEMIC RACISM, IT IS BUILT INTO AMERICA AND WE HAVE TO BE MUST MORE POINTED IN OUR ADDRESSING IT. HOW DO YOU FEEL?
JUDGE BARRETT: I THINK IT IS AND ENTIRELY UNCONTROVERSIAL AND OBVIOUS STATEMENT, GIVEN THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT THE GEORGE FLOYD VIDEO, THAT RACISM PERSISTS IN OUR COUNTRY. AS TO PUTTING MY FINGER ON THE NATURE OF THE PROBLEM,
WHETHER , AS YOU SAY IT IS OUTRIGHT OR , SYSTEMIC RACISM, OR HOW TO TACKLE THE ISSUE OF MAKING IT BETTER, THOSE THINGS ARE POLICY QUESTIONS. THEY ARE HOTLY-CONTESTED POLICY QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN IN THE NEWS AND DISCUSSED ALL SUMMER.
SO AS I DID SHARE MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, VERY HAPPY TO DISCUSS THE REACTION OF THE FAMILY TO THE GEORGE FLOYD VIDEO GIVING BROADER STATEMENTS AND , MAKING BROADER DIAGNOSIS ABOUT THE PROBLEM OF RACISM IS KIND OF BEYOND WHAT I AM CAPABLE OF DOING AS A JUDGE.
I thought they haven't been put up much of a resistance because:
There's literally nothing on her
Them questioning her religion is harsh, but from our perspective, it's not AS nasty as what they did to Kavanaugh, so it just looks like they're going easy on her
They know smearing a justice didn't go over well last time, so they have to hold back a little.
If they’re taking it now, would she be allowed to take part? I thought you had to have been confirmed before the case was taken up to sit on the ruling.
Not entirely true. Foreign diplomats and their kids are legal residents but don't count as anything since they are "under the jurisdiction" of their home countries. Their kids are not US Citizens either. ALL ILLEGALS are in the same category as they are under the jurisdiction of where they left and must be returned there!
Should correct myself in that foreign diplomats are counted on Census Day, but they are not included in apportionment of representation.
Illegal aliens are in the same boat. Counting them is fine, but they should ve subtracted for apportionment. To include them absolutely harms US Citizens by imbalancing the legislature. A district with 10,000 citizens and 1,000,000 illegals should have less representation in Congress than a district with 30,000 citizens.
I have a problem with all residents being counted for representation because they could tip the scales against citizens in elections and could provide corrupt legislators with more money and influence. Citizens as residents of the state should be the only ones who count for representation.
Because it's all of a sudden convenient for "living constitution" idiots to be textualists when it says "persons" despite how obviously fucking retarded that would be.
Probably why he’s taking it up now. He’ll cuck on it saying that “states rely on their counts in the population and not counting them will bring harm to everyone in the states that lose population.”
I figured it would go exactly the way it went. The entire IRS enforcement of tax code on individuals is unconstitutional and should have been thrown out, but there was no way the establishment would do that. Having a penalty for insurance is consistent with all the other stupid penalties and credits in the code.
Oh man it would be awesome to have illegals never again be counted for representation. Democrats would drop them so fast since it won't gain them more power.
Forest Gump meme: and just like that, Democrats stopped catering to illegals.
They want to import hundreds of millions of 3rd worlders into the USA, and covid19 is part of the plan to make it happen. Hurting economies, creating mass starvation, nonstop MSM sob stories, etc.
What does that mean for this election cycle? Let's assume they rule in our favor and CA loses 10 seats. But, on November 3 they will already have voted for all the seats. So would this take effect in 2 years?
Probably yes. The campaigns can easily justify that they have been preparing a strategy and spending for this election a whole year in advance with the previous number in mind. But then again, the SCOTUS can decide however they feel.
If SCOTUS hasn’t heard any arguments for the case before she is seated and she wasn’t involved with the case before it got there, she can rule on it if she wants.
I know of some systems where if the previous holder of the chair has voted then the next holder does not vote if the trial extends past the nomination.
There is nothing real that actually prevents a new judge (whose chair hadn't yet cast a vote) to read all about the case, request information to both parties if she feels it necessary and then cast her vote.
Can you imagine telling Washington, Jefferson, and Adams that less than 300 years after they sacrificed everything the republic is distributing wealth to homeless people that don't work and counting illegal aliens as citizens??
1.) The WH Council's Office isn't at the top of their game here (be it skill level, bluepills, sneks, or what, who knows); the Exec Memorandum is poorly written, it doesn't conform to the Constitution.
2.) The swamp of lawyers in the agencies which argues the cases. So for instance, they like(ly going) to argue on the wrong legal grounds.
The Constitution does not specifically define which persons must be included for the purposes of apportionment and requires only that Representatives be apportioned according to what has long been understood to mean the “inhabitants” of each State.
The Constitution does not specifically define which persons must be included in the apportionment base. Although the Constitution requires the “persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed,” to be enumerated in the census, that requirement has never been understood to include in the apportionment base every individual physically present within a State’s boundaries at the time of the census. Instead, the term “persons in each State” has been interpreted to mean that only the “inhabitants” of each State should be included. Determining which persons should be considered “inhabitants” for the purpose of apportionment requires the exercise of judgment. For example, aliens who are only temporarily in the United States, such as for business or tourism, and certain foreign diplomatic personnel are “persons” who have been excluded from the apportionment base in past censuses. Conversely, the Constitution also has never been understood to exclude every person who is not physically “in” a State at the time of the census. For example, overseas Federal personnel have, at various times, been included in and excluded from the populations of the States in which they maintained their homes of record. The discretion delegated to the executive branch to determine who qualifies as an “inhabitant” includes authority to exclude from the apportionment base aliens who are not in a lawful immigration status.
THESE ARE swamp snek! ->"The Constitution does not specifically define which persons must be included in the apportionment base."
[Redpill] YES, The CONSTITUTION does specifically say exactly how to count, I've written this many times:
Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons.
14th Amend, Clause 2:
Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed.
Thus, people whom are not legally free to do as they please (and not bound like indentured servants to be free after a period of time); includes illegals, tourists, visa holders, etc. for census count as 3/5ths for taxation and other purposes, but count for zero-Fifths for House representitive apportionment. And no this is not raycist or only about slavery as taught, it's game theory apportionment written into the Constitution.
CATAGORIES:
A.) Free Persons = people legally free to do as they please.
B.) Indentured Servants = people bound by contract, free afterwards. (Keep in mind the average term in was like 7 years; so over the course of a 10 year census, the average time of 3.5 years left is less than halfway of 5/10 years so makes math sense to also count these as free persons, since in any given 10 year period all will be free.)
C.) Indians Not Taxed (aka outside of the Federal Government jurisdiction, still retaining some national sovereignty.)
D.) All other persons = Any human being, not counted above is literally ALL OTHER PERSONS. Including prison populations, illegals, slaves, visa holders, anyone with (government/legal) restrictions upon them as they are not free to go about as they please, doing the things free persons do.
Respective Numbers
#1 Add up catagories A & B, and multiply by x1.0
#2 Take Catagory D, and multiply by 3/5ths (aka 60%).
Add together #1 and #2 for taxation purposes (and likely other bureaucratic/red-tape/program purposes) except, Only #1 is used for Representation Apportionment.
[Note: Catagory C is like a set aside, they are not taxed, and not representented because they have (some of) their own sovereignty still.]
MAGA On!
PS just because people violate/ignore the law and Constitution for a long time, doesn't make it right, doesn't make it legal, and doesn't make an excuse for not correcting the errors/violations. Enforce the Constitution as written! And no that's not raycist.
They are NOT residents. They are VISITORS. Do you count Aunt Molly and uncle Brian as dependents on your tax returns because they were over for Thanksgiving? No.
The Supreme Court last year blocked the president's effort to add a citizenship question to the census, ruling that the administration had not provided an adequate rationale.“
What aboot Canadians? We can get those liberal fucks out of several northern states. And believe me, they vote. (No offence to based Canadians fighting for your Liberty)
The census law needs to be amended. It is clearly outdated and unconstitutional if illegals are counted. Imagine a presidential election could come down to a single electoral vote difference from California.
If we were invaded by China/Russia/whatever and they had taken over San FranSHITshow, the Leftists would be demanding we count the Chinese/Russian army in the census too
Actually I think it's the best left wing place to get their perspective on. I domt agree with their conclusions, but that's where I go to see what the left is saying.
Yes, they are wrong, but they arent actually publishing batshit stories. Typically it's just super left bias of normal events.
I'm no constitutional lawyer, but to me it makes zero sense to include people who have no legal right to be here in the count that determines congressional representation and federal grant dollars.
This is more about padding the numbers to inflate their ability to produce fake ballots. They were constrained by the county populations last time around in 2016.
They had to have this as a backup so when the magic ballots showed up with higher than population numbers, they could also fabricate unverifiable population numbers using the new census data.
This has to be done before the election to be effective.
How about we just exclude them from our country? Why in the hell do we let them stay here? There is no greater evidence of how broken the system is than the existence of millions of illegal immigrants on our soil. All due process needs to be suspended, they all need to be deported. Our refugee and asylum policies are being abused.
Illegal immigrants get US taxpayer funded lawyers. Like that makes sense
IIRC, the census never counted ILLEGAL ALIENS until the Census bureau started to do so with no fanfare in 1950's. The constitution says "persons" not citizens, but if CJ Roberts can say "state" means "federal" as he did with ACA, he can certainly rule that framers meant citizens, as their mere head count contributes towards number of state electors which directly affects voting.
It is an abomination to even consider ILLEGAL INVADERS affecting our Electoral College.
Exactly why I refused 3 times to answer the census, 3 times I told the census guy to kick rocks. Now the census is over, did my part to offset 3 illegals.
As a California resident, for fuck's sake, strip California of it's representation.
No shit. All those electoral votes...and half the population hopped the border.
WHAT THE HECK?!!!! Seriously, I'd like to see the law actually applied and all those responsible jailed.
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Injustice? At least Breitbart uses the legal definition: ILLEGAL
Literally. A walking crime litigating crime KEK
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Wait, where does it say that she's an attorney?
I never understood the idea of illegal immigrants willingly becoming public figures. Like... wouldn’t they want to keep a low profile to avoid being deported?
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Just kick the Bay Area and Silicon Valley out, and California would be ok. King Newsom can head his government in exile.
As someone in the Bay, I agree. Pretty much everything wrong with the world and CA right now centers around here. We’d be nuked if everyone heard what people here often say in passing and believe about the rest of America and anyone willing to disagree with them.
And, as you’d expect of a communist dream area, we’ve got people looting and pooping in the street and in general setting us all back hundreds of years. I have higher standards for my dog than our DA has for people out here.
LA is annoying because there are shitloads of conservatives here who have no representation.
Conservatives who spent the last 20 years sitting out local and county elections letting the freaks do what they want because. muh Christian niceness.
High costs of living keeps everyone working.
Proletariat entertainment keeps everyone stupid and ignorant of the governmental process.
Do you despise Jesus?
Not saying Christians shouldn't stand up and be counted more, but suffering evil without dishing it out is a pretty core teaching.
If a nation ever dared invade the west coast, they’d avoid the big naval/military presence in the Pacific NW and San Diego...the soft communist underbelly of SF Bay Area would fold over pathetically and welcome them with open arms before the counter-attack from across the Sierra Nevada
What do they say about America?
“The US is like, literally, the worst country in America.”
Imagine blaming everything bad that’s ever happened or will happen on America, and you get the gist. It’s like a battle to interpret any and all things as a jab at America. It’s the inverse of a devote Christian. Instead of finding God’s divine plan and focusing on the positive, you take everything as a chance to shit on the one country that puts up with and allows for you to do that.
“Anyone outside of CA and NY is racist, bigoted, stupid trash. Especially white people, because we should burn them.”
You ask them immediately why then did they climb the border wall to come here (to be oppressed)
That’s an easy go to.
“If America’s so bad, why are people killing themselves and doing Mission Impossible level stunts trying to get here? Who the fuck’s trying to get into Mexico or China or any Muslim country? You couldn’t pay most people to live there.”
You know some Commie is going to die of an aneurysm trying to explain that.
Yeah, they should move to another country.
Hollyweird and LA need to go as well!
Hopefully someday the San Andreas Fault will take care of some of those Devil Worshiping areas.
Check USGS - the fault would wreck SoCal but not affect portions of NorCal.
You want movement on other adjacent faults for that apocalypse to happen.
The best way to do this is for us to flee the state. The state is rewarded by the conservative head count. And what do we get for it? Fires, taxes, mask mandates, and prison-like conditions.
Leave. The. State.
And vote so Red your new neighbors will see what kind of people CA has had all along.
The problem with leaving is that it creates a super singularity of shit in this state that will metastasize into a virulent cancer that flings rogue cells off into other states as dumbass leftists flee the shit they created and poison other states. California to be fixed or else it will slowly rot this union on its own. People who don't live in CA underestimate the sheer pervasiveness of the retardation that goes on in the liberal strongholds here. I had to live it my whole life, and I grew up in a tiny suburban town so it wasn't even peak bullshit.
I disagree with the idea that leftists leave blue cities/states and continue to vote blue and somehow spread it. I truly believe that is a myth. Instead, I believe it is the inner cities that create leftists. And flyover states create conservatives. Not the other way around. In other words, an average person moving to an inner city will more-than-likely become a Dem voter. And an average person moving to a small town will more-than-likely become a Rep voter.
We are largely the product of our environment.
Therefore, the more people who live outside of major cities, the better chances they’ll vote conservative.
Mega cities are bad for the soul.
I've lived in the city. It never turned me blue or gay.
You’re preaching to the choir. Being on this site alone proves we’re more vigilant than an average American. I’m talking about the likelihood of the ‘average’ American turning blue.
Living in LA my whole life has redpilled me more than could possibly be imagined hahah.
Living in San Fran for 5 years turned me from a mostly apathetic left-leaning libertarian to a paleocon that wants helicopter rides and mass graves.
I didn't downvote you, I don't know what makes people go blue. But obviously it happens. My guess is college. Plenty of people send their normal kids to college and get back a liberal asshole in return.
That's the curriculum, infiltrated by the USSR ages ago. It's a self-perpetuation infiltration operation, with no guidance or handlers, spiraling out of control.
This is something I’ve thought about for a long time. Here’s my current theory:
We are born on the Left.
As babies we are greedy, selfish, attention-seeking, immoral, corruptible, manipulative liars.
We want the other kid’s toy. And we want someone else to pay for it. And we don’t want to bear the consequences of our decisions. And we’ll cry til we get our way. And we’ll vote democrat cuz they think like a baby.
We have to actually *mature* to grow out of that.
This is the red-pill moment many of us have had.
Until this eye opening experience happens, we are on the Left by default. College, the media, music, pop culture all reinforce this baby-like state of mind. Unplug from it and we’d mature on our own, and finally #WalkAway.
My 2 cents anyway.
I grew up in Oregon in the 1980s when it was a conservative, libertarian state.
Look at it now.
I understand your point, but have to disagree. We are in a very RED county in California. Great living conditions, great schools, etc. There are LOTS of folks from the city moving out here and voting blue. We have seen a big shift over the last 20 years. There is LOTS of push back, but most of the conservatives are older folks and it is the younger hipsters moving out of their self-built shitholes that are invading our peaceful space. (I guess much like folks are invading Texas and Idaho from Cali.)
Explain Austin TX
As a city’s population rises, so does its tendency to turn Blue. it’s not rocket science. Look it up on any demographic website.
You must acknowledge the correlation is there.
The individualism of northern wheat farming vs the collective nature of southern rice farming. Chairman Mao arising out of rural southern China seems to at least fit the echo chamber hypothesis
Must also consider that tens of thousands of Californian's have moved to Austin over the last 30 years. I lived there in the 90's. Went back last year. Wow, looks like it's tracking about 10 years behind SF now. So sad to see the decline from the Cali folks piling in.
The problem is that the conservative silent majority inflates the population, while corrupt rigged elections ensure that there will always be a leftist government running things into the ground. Liberty isn't dead, but it is bound and gagged by those who want it dead, though.
Apparently California could lose 10+ electoral college points because of this ruling, is it true? Because that'd be blessed af.
Yes, easily 3M+ aliens. Don't know how many fill the census out, but I know there was a big push to get aliens to complete it
Californian here, yes, they send people to your door if you don't fill it out. I hadn't filled out a census since 1980. I refused. I have a locked gate around my property so they couldn't do anything but leave notes. They start threatening you after the 3rd attempt.
I live in a Mexican neighborhood and holy hell was there ever one this year.
The AG has said there are at least 10million, which really of course means 20-40M if he’d admit to 10M
Losing 10 electoral votes seems like a lot. They would probably lose about 4 million people which means they would lose about 10% of their electoral votes.
They have 53 electoral votes; that would mean losing 5 or 6 electoral votes leaving them with 47 or 48. (Edited)
Texas has 36 and Florida and NY each have 27.
53 - 5 = 57?
53 - 6 = 58?
That's some serious Obama math, fren! :)
Listen fat, math is racist
Common core in action
Whoops. Thx. That's 47 or 48. :)
Shoulda just left the original up there. As a Californian I can tell you that is exactly how any public school students would have answered.
Whoops. That's 47 or 48. Thx. :)
CA, TX, FL, and NY could all lose. Plus whatever they lose goes to some other state or group of states. Rust belt states could gain.
This is a good thing
Yes, I read up on it after posting. If only citizens were counted Pres. Trump would have got 310 electoral votes instead of 306. CA would have lost 4, Tx, Fl and Ny would have lost 1 each. Louisiana, Ohio, Missouri, Minnesota, Colorado, Michigan and Montana would have each gained one. https://thepoliticalinsider.com/revealed-the-secret-way-illegals-influence-elections/
https://www.270towin.com/news/2018/03/29/the-electoral-map-if-only-citizens-were-counted_604.html
it's not about electoral votes.
It's about fake balloting to steal the election in critical areas.
Last time they were constrained by the population data when they tried to steal it.
They can only make fake ballots to the max county population.
If they can fabricate unverifiable undocumented residents, they can inflate the number of fake ballots.
It was about the election, not the electors.
Census has been delayed in my area. Only mailed out postcards happened. No house to house collection for people refusing to provide government with names of all that live I'm house.
Are you in a heavy Red district?
Red suburb of blue county in purple (MI) state.
I don't think it'd be nearly that much of a change. Here's an article I read a while back on the subject:
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/07/24/how-removing-unauthorized-immigrants-from-census-statistics-could-affect-house-reapportionment/
Of course, that depends on the estimated number of illegal immigrants being correct....so really, who knows?
It is rational thought, they want illegals counted because they vote blue. Also it helps raise the house seats and electoral votes in the states illegals keep blue.
They want illegals "counted" (and indiscernible from citizens) so they can have a untraceable way of inflating population data to allow them to create more fake ballots to steal the election on a critical county-by-county level.
Both are quite probable and far from exclusive
They don't have to vote at all. The libtards will vote and get their representation based off of the higher numbers.
Communists gonna subvert the Constitution.
ACB claims to be an originalist. The founding fathers meant for this to mean all former slaves only. We'll know if she's the next John Roberts based on her ruling here
Absolutely. We all know how far the Communists have gone with "shall not infringe" too. Activist Justices have eroded our rights everywhere they can.
She said she cried over george floyd and acknowledges the "systematic racism"
She didn’t acknowledge systematic racism. She said “any justice system as large as ours will inevitably have racist elements.” Meaning the more people that are involved in a system, the more likely that some will be racists.
That's slightly more comforting
I checked the transcripts. The following exchange is on Day 2 when Durbin asked her about systemic racism. She left a lot of wiggle room. imo.
So she's an ignorant fool who doesn't know what really happened, or a virtue signaling cuck who doesn't care? I'm not sure which is better.
Was not a good trap to fall into, and the question was there for this reason -- to drive a wedge between her and the party.
Uh oh...
I thought they haven't been put up much of a resistance because:
There's literally nothing on her
Them questioning her religion is harsh, but from our perspective, it's not AS nasty as what they did to Kavanaugh, so it just looks like they're going easy on her
They know smearing a justice didn't go over well last time, so they have to hold back a little.
Another poster has given the answer, that she cried with her black children. I’m not sure that’s entirely the same as endorsing BLM.
If they’re taking it now, would she be allowed to take part? I thought you had to have been confirmed before the case was taken up to sit on the ruling.
They take it Nov 30
Eh, you can count them. AS ILLEGAL. Just don't give them representation.
Not entirely true. Foreign diplomats and their kids are legal residents but don't count as anything since they are "under the jurisdiction" of their home countries. Their kids are not US Citizens either. ALL ILLEGALS are in the same category as they are under the jurisdiction of where they left and must be returned there!
Should correct myself in that foreign diplomats are counted on Census Day, but they are not included in apportionment of representation.
Illegal aliens are in the same boat. Counting them is fine, but they should ve subtracted for apportionment. To include them absolutely harms US Citizens by imbalancing the legislature. A district with 10,000 citizens and 1,000,000 illegals should have less representation in Congress than a district with 30,000 citizens.
All persons = legally in the US
If they can be deported, they don't count.
I have a problem with all residents being counted for representation because they could tip the scales against citizens in elections and could provide corrupt legislators with more money and influence. Citizens as residents of the state should be the only ones who count for representation.
We should use this argument.
Because it's all of a sudden convenient for "living constitution" idiots to be textualists when it says "persons" despite how obviously fucking retarded that would be.
Otherwise every tourist can be counted.
This will go over as another HUGE win for Trump and America.
California loses half its house seats 😆
Please. I live in California. I can only get so erect before I have to call a doctor.
Only after 4 hours
o_o wow, that's fucking amazing, I had no idea we could eliminate Commiefornia's power this easily
of course it's easy now that we have SCOTUS, but it really feels like we have the whole power to change everything in our hands right now
edit: I'd like to take a moment to thank GOD for this huge win
I'm hoping! I know it's a concern troll attitude...but I was so sure that the Supreme Court was not going to hold up Obamacare back in the day, too.
Probably why he’s taking it up now. He’ll cuck on it saying that “states rely on their counts in the population and not counting them will bring harm to everyone in the states that lose population.”
I figured it would go exactly the way it went. The entire IRS enforcement of tax code on individuals is unconstitutional and should have been thrown out, but there was no way the establishment would do that. Having a penalty for insurance is consistent with all the other stupid penalties and credits in the code.
IF the Court rules in Trump's favor. That's a big if.
Oh man it would be awesome to have illegals never again be counted for representation. Democrats would drop them so fast since it won't gain them more power.
Forest Gump meme: and just like that, Democrats stopped catering to illegals.
Dems are just going to make them citizens. If they are allowed to take the Presidency and Senate this year, this is tops on their agenda.
They want to import hundreds of millions of 3rd worlders into the USA, and covid19 is part of the plan to make it happen. Hurting economies, creating mass starvation, nonstop MSM sob stories, etc.
It's happening 11/30
It's clearly coordinated, God bless America.
What does that mean for this election cycle? Let's assume they rule in our favor and CA loses 10 seats. But, on November 3 they will already have voted for all the seats. So would this take effect in 2 years?
Probably yes. The campaigns can easily justify that they have been preparing a strategy and spending for this election a whole year in advance with the previous number in mind. But then again, the SCOTUS can decide however they feel.
Good question. I know typicall new congressmen take office January 3rd
Is that how it works? If she is seated for arguments can she rule?
If SCOTUS hasn’t heard any arguments for the case before she is seated and she wasn’t involved with the case before it got there, she can rule on it if she wants.
That is interesting because it could form a tie.
I know of some systems where if the previous holder of the chair has voted then the next holder does not vote if the trial extends past the nomination.
There is nothing real that actually prevents a new judge (whose chair hadn't yet cast a vote) to read all about the case, request information to both parties if she feels it necessary and then cast her vote.
Does she have to wait for the next session or something like that? I am not sure I am using the right term when ai say session.
I think I saw it was to be heard on 30 Nov
It shouldn't even be controversial.
We don't elect people to represent illegal immigrants. We elect people to represent American citizens. End of story.
It's only controversial because it would be bad for democrats.
God damn how is this even a question??????
Can you imagine telling Washington, Jefferson, and Adams that less than 300 years after they sacrificed everything the republic is distributing wealth to homeless people that don't work and counting illegal aliens as citizens??
This country is fucked, no 2 ways about it
Imagine telling black people that the Democrats are using the civil rights movement to strip them of their freedoms, and they helped.
Easy decision, they don't even need a notepad for it.
Easy decision, except for two things:
1.) The WH Council's Office isn't at the top of their game here (be it skill level, bluepills, sneks, or what, who knows); the Exec Memorandum is poorly written, it doesn't conform to the Constitution.
2.) The swamp of lawyers in the agencies which argues the cases. So for instance, they like(ly going) to argue on the wrong legal grounds.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/president-donald-j-trump-taking-action-ensure-american-citizens-receive-proper-representation-congress/
For instance:
Actual Memorandum:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/memorandum-excluding-illegal-aliens-apportionment-base-following-2020-census/
THESE ARE swamp snek! ->"The Constitution does not specifically define which persons must be included in the apportionment base."
[Redpill] YES, The CONSTITUTION does specifically say exactly how to count, I've written this many times:
Article 1, Section 2, Clause 3:
14th Amend, Clause 2:
Thus, people whom are not legally free to do as they please (and not bound like indentured servants to be free after a period of time); includes illegals, tourists, visa holders, etc. for census count as 3/5ths for taxation and other purposes, but count for zero-Fifths for House representitive apportionment. And no this is not raycist or only about slavery as taught, it's game theory apportionment written into the Constitution.
CATAGORIES:
A.) Free Persons = people legally free to do as they please.
B.) Indentured Servants = people bound by contract, free afterwards. (Keep in mind the average term in was like 7 years; so over the course of a 10 year census, the average time of 3.5 years left is less than halfway of 5/10 years so makes math sense to also count these as free persons, since in any given 10 year period all will be free.)
C.) Indians Not Taxed (aka outside of the Federal Government jurisdiction, still retaining some national sovereignty.)
D.) All other persons = Any human being, not counted above is literally ALL OTHER PERSONS. Including prison populations, illegals, slaves, visa holders, anyone with (government/legal) restrictions upon them as they are not free to go about as they please, doing the things free persons do.
Respective Numbers
#1 Add up catagories A & B, and multiply by x1.0
#2 Take Catagory D, and multiply by 3/5ths (aka 60%).
Add together #1 and #2 for taxation purposes (and likely other bureaucratic/red-tape/program purposes) except, Only #1 is used for Representation Apportionment.
[Note: Catagory C is like a set aside, they are not taxed, and not representented because they have (some of) their own sovereignty still.]
MAGA On!
PS just because people violate/ignore the law and Constitution for a long time, doesn't make it right, doesn't make it legal, and doesn't make an excuse for not correcting the errors/violations. Enforce the Constitution as written! And no that's not raycist.
Thanks
They are NOT residents. They are VISITORS. Do you count Aunt Molly and uncle Brian as dependents on your tax returns because they were over for Thanksgiving? No.
Not a fair comparison as you invited them in. A more fair example is the criminal who broke into your house and then refuses to leave.
And then shits on your floor and expects you to make dinner for them
You misspelled INVADERS.
Criminal illegal aliens are not visitors
They sure as fuck aren't residents, and that's my point.
Good analogy
review? what is there to review
Q: Are you a US citizen
A: If yes, fill out census, if no then dont.
What the hell is that screenname lol.
LESBO
PREGNANCY
SCARE
This response made me chuckle.
Thank you that's much better
Tricked by a rare quality tranny?
lol, no im a straight male, but a lesbian fancied me and you know the rest.
Don't forget to include Spanish. Pregunta: ¿Eres ciudadano de los Estados Unidos? Responder: Si es así, complete el censo. Si no, no lo complete.
lol, I remember that exact question "Are you a US citizen" was struck from the 2020 census for being unconstitutional or something.
Lame.
Where in the constitution does it say the Supreme Court is involved in the census?
Roberts.
LOL. If illegals have the right to vote, then all of Russia has the right to vote in our election as well.
Sad this even needs to be heard by SCOTUS, it’s completely ridiculous to allow illegals a voice in our government.
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH ENERGYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
Archive link because the Hill is a leftist shithole.
Would CA lose what maybe 5 seats and NY lose 4.
But Texas and FL would also probably loose seats.
What aboot Canadians? We can get those liberal fucks out of several northern states. And believe me, they vote. (No offence to based Canadians fighting for your Liberty)
The census law needs to be amended. It is clearly outdated and unconstitutional if illegals are counted. Imagine a presidential election could come down to a single electoral vote difference from California.
If we were invaded by China/Russia/whatever and they had taken over San FranSHITshow, the Leftists would be demanding we count the Chinese/Russian army in the census too
The Hill is cancer.
Actually I think it's the best left wing place to get their perspective on. I domt agree with their conclusions, but that's where I go to see what the left is saying.
Yes, they are wrong, but they arent actually publishing batshit stories. Typically it's just super left bias of normal events.
I'm no constitutional lawyer, but to me it makes zero sense to include people who have no legal right to be here in the count that determines congressional representation and federal grant dollars.
You are right and the Court will have to rule that way because foreign diplomats and families are NOT counted. Illegals are in the same category.
This is more about padding the numbers to inflate their ability to produce fake ballots. They were constrained by the county populations last time around in 2016.
They had to have this as a backup so when the magic ballots showed up with higher than population numbers, they could also fabricate unverifiable population numbers using the new census data.
This has to be done before the election to be effective.
This is how they plan on stealing the election
Roberts better not fuck America over again.
If the supreme Court rules in favor of illegal immigrants, then we have no constitution.
Good, because they shouldn’t be counted. Period. It disenfranchises actual citizens.
How about we just exclude them from our country? Why in the hell do we let them stay here? There is no greater evidence of how broken the system is than the existence of millions of illegal immigrants on our soil. All due process needs to be suspended, they all need to be deported. Our refugee and asylum policies are being abused.
Illegal immigrants get US taxpayer funded lawyers. Like that makes sense
IIRC, the census never counted ILLEGAL ALIENS until the Census bureau started to do so with no fanfare in 1950's. The constitution says "persons" not citizens, but if CJ Roberts can say "state" means "federal" as he did with ACA, he can certainly rule that framers meant citizens, as their mere head count contributes towards number of state electors which directly affects voting.
It is an abomination to even consider ILLEGAL INVADERS affecting our Electoral College.
Just posting here for future reference.
(So I can laugh at the crying Libs later)
lol dems keep the house then lose it when we get rid of those congressional districts.
How are they going to determine tbis since SCOTUS wouldn’t let them ask citizenship on the census?
Why would they count. They are not citizens.
We need to stop giving non-citizens the rights we have as citizens. It's that simple. Otherwise our citizenship means nothing.
the constitution is for citizens
Wish Amy was seated
she will be, the hearing is for oct 30, 4 days after confirmation.
Thank God...and I mean God!
Non citizens shouldn't get congressional representation. Period.
Exactly why I refused 3 times to answer the census, 3 times I told the census guy to kick rocks. Now the census is over, did my part to offset 3 illegals.
the entire point of a country is to put its own people ahead of outsiders; if it doesn't do that it has no reason to exist
Wtf is there to look at, they have no right to influence how many reps a state have, the only right they have is the one to be deported.
oh my lanta my emotions are fuming right now. no human is illegal. even my wife and her bvll thinks so when he lets me talk to them
Why is this even a fucking question??? GTFO!!
Love the flair
How does this even need to be reviewed? Illegals aren’t citizens and representation is based on citizens.
Fuck yeah! Go MAGA Daddy!
Brave new world now boys. The North and West are going to lose seats like crazy and the South is going to actually gain seats.
Crazy crazy times we are living in. I know the democrats don't want that.
Vote in good people. The power shift is changing big time and the last thing we need are corrupt "leaders."
It’s as if Us citizens should start adding 2 “people” for every one citizen in our household to not be diluted by illegals