Long story. So bear with me but I think it's interesting.
I'm from Australia. So who the fuck cares about US politics right?
Well back in 2016 the media had me. I was a headline reader and would commonly say to people the likes of "Imagine if Trump wins! How fucked would the world be".
One day a guy from work sort of red pilled me in a weird way... He was a Pakistani and he told me "Who cares... We're not from the US. And they deserve it". It made me laugh (sorry pedes).
Now obviously he had an axe to grind from a Pakistani point of view but he sort of burst my bubble. Why the fuck would I care or stress being from Australia about Trump being president. I never cared before. That's when I realised the media had fucked me.
Anyway a couple of months later some barrister friend (had been having dinner once a week every week for several years) started ranting to me at dinner about Trump being president ending the world. I thought I could maybe help him and calm him down. Try and make him see that it doesn't matter that much. Long story short... We have never caught up socially since then. I've got lots of friends. And he was sort of a "single" friend and I'd just met my wife so while I was disappointed... It didn't stress me too much but it was an eye opener.
Anyway started becoming a Trump fan. Bet on him winning. He won but I learned for years to just shut up about it because people still really hate him here. And basically buy into the fact that anyone who likes him (or even doesn't hate him) is a racist degenerate.
Earlier this year lost another friend. Called her up during Covid to make sure she was alright because she is at high risk (cancer survivor). She started ranting about how fucking stupid Trump was. I backed off and was like "yeah he's got a hard job and who knows what the right decision is" and tried to be non chalant. She basically pushed me until she called me a "fucking idiot" and I told her that I'm not here to listen to her bullshit and to fuck off. She was a little bit of a "pity" friend of mine so was happy to fuck her off at this point.
Anyway feel I almost lost another friend lately. He's a good one who I don't want to lose.
Hes a smart guy. Professional, very educated and wealthy. He HATES Trump. But basically acts like he doesn't care.
So he'll send me "Trump is shit" articles or videos and then when I argue back he's like... "Ah I don't really care". But you know he does. At one point I basically confronted him about his attitude and said that his attitude was confrontational but it's not worth ruining our friendship. He backed down and apologised but I can tell he still HATES Trump and a part of that hates projects onto me.
It's crazy that the media machine is so powerful. That people in Australia lose friends over it.
Imagine being in the US and losing a friend over who the Prime Minister of Germany is.
My question to Trump haters is Why? Not one person can give an answer besides calling him names
I've been told to my face, "Because he's a Russian agent." And that recently. It's impossible to be rational with irrational people. Complete waste of time.
You always hear a random regurgitating of MSM headlines when people have TDS. “He said Mexicans are rapists! He didn’t file his taxes!!! He’s Putin’s Puppet hahahaha!!!” Never, ever, not once, does anyone with TDS at all bring up any issue of policy or anything he’s actually done. Ever. They just flick over headlines on their phone and repeat them to sound informed.
I think the tax thing mostly red pills anyone that knows anything about business. They’re blatantly lying about how filing your taxes even works if you have beyond a W-2. Same with debt.
“He’s half a billion in debt!!!”
Those are mostly mortgages you fucktard. He didn’t get a million studies degrees he can’t pay off with his barista job.
People originally disliked Trump because the msm reported it that way and still had credibility. Most people aren't spending the time to verify something they assume is coming from a reputable source.
This is why I think the coronavirus lockdowns were a fatal mistake for the democrats. The lockdowns gave millions the time to see things for themselves. Millions followed the White House briefings and then saw how the press behaved and then lied about what Trump said. Most people I know are voting Trump now, including those that hated him early this year.
I know plenty of people that didn’t vote for Trump in 2016 or at all before now that are voting Trump. I know zero people that voted for Trump in 2016 that aren’t doing it again in 2020. I made a bunch of promises and then proceeded to do most of them, starting immediately.
People are so stupid. I usually tell them if they listened to what he actually said, they would see that it's fake news. Their little pea sized brains then short circuit.
Hahaha
It's a proven fact that it's harder to unlearn and learn something than to learn something in the first place. I suspect that someone in the propaganda ministry realizes that and makes frequent use of it. I like to think of myself as largely immune - by chance - simply because I'm so contrarian that whenever I encounter a new "fact" I immediately think, "what if it's the opposite?"
See. That's what's frustrating with this guy. He hates Trump purely because the media tells him to.
But then sort of denies he even hates him and acts like he couldnt be bothered discussing it.
Tonight I sent him some articles about what a lying piece of shit biden is (saying a drink driver killed his wife and daughter when the driver wasn't drunk). Just something that genuinely shocked me.
He sent me a link to the Washington post saying trump had lied (or mislead) 20000 times.
Now I disputed a bunch of those fact checks. And said it's "mostly" just definitional bullshit (Trump's no Saint). But now he'll just be like .. ah yeah I don't care really.
Infuriatingly mislead by the media.
I get the same thing. It’s so weird.
I pilled only one person successfully. It was glorious but very difficult and after several big drunken arguments too. I thought I’d have to can that friendship but miraculously they became very balanced.
With others it’s just the same old grind. It feels like Trump is Emmanuel Goldstein from 1984, eliciting incandescent rage from the masses.
I don’t wear any politics on my sleeve, usually. And who knows - maybe this website has brainwashed me? But I’m convinced that Obama Co.’s administration was dicey and this is the @rse end of it trying for one more throw of the dice. Good to hear about the support for Trump
The "i don't really care " thing is a tactic people use when they don't want to be pressed or questioned on their position. Hes probably a low information hater in that he read headlines and buys into them without further researching them so when you take the time to dispute it, he can just say "I dont REALLY care" so he doesn't have to acknowledge he's wrong. Its easier than re-evaluating his biases.
Id just point out that if you can find and disprove a few of these things with little effort, imagine how much more hes been lied to about other things.
Couch it by saying you don't pretend the man is a saints, but obviously the media is not truthful and willing to lie to manipulate how people feel about him too. Wonder aloud what else they've lied about.
Once you get him thinking on that, honestly , you've won.
My husband was basically this way up until a few months ago. He wouldn't really say he didn't care, it's more that he would just say politics is so dumb and he was tired of hearing about it. But he would still on occasion say something that was very much like something the MSM would say about Trump or a certain political subject (even though he voted for Trump in 2016!). We would sometimes get into small fights over it, in large part because I would want to talk about what was really going on, and I just couldn't believe he would side with obvious lies even though he acted like he wanted nothing to do with any of it.
I don't know what happened honestly, but he changed his mind quite suddenly (from my perspective). Both of our jobs had us working from home since early spring, and the monotony of it all was starting to get pretty depressing. I wasn't keeping up with the news, would hardly talk about it. Then one day he started showing me red pilled type of things from instagram and talking about Ben Shapiro, the walkaway movement, and suddenly he knows who Candace Owens is. I was amazed. (He is mixed, half Asian half white, so I'm guessing the walkaway thing in particular speaks to him.)
He now says he hates that he felt forced to care and forced to pick a side, but I think all of this has just become too retarded to ignore. Politics have taken over every aspect of all of our lives. Possibly most importantly, once I stopped talking about it, he came to his own conclusions because he wanted to, and people definitely have to want to do something on their own and feel like it was their own decision. It can't be forced. I'm just happy to say he's on our side.
My favorite is ""fact check: Trump claimed there were hamburgers stacked to the ceiling. There were not."
I genuinely can't remember whether it was satire or not because the media actually is this petty.
Even our local news is off the charts orange man bad. I’ve tried discussing the President with friends and family who don’t follow politics closely and only listen to tv news. I’ve had some yell and say I’m not listening to you and walk away. Their ignorance will shape a socialist nightmare future for my children. I’ve stopped trying to communicate with the most irrational. More than ever we need a General Patton to fight back against the tyrants and despots foreign and domestic.
I’m not sure about Oz, but in the US we are taught from a very young age to have blind faith in “authoritative sources” of info. From kindergarten teachers to professors and then journalists / experts.
Every step of the way our ability to think critically and our sense of skepticism are reprogrammed.
The majority of people just don’t think outside of their instructors
You said that well. A lot of people think it's authority we're taught to respect, but it's not. It's, as you said, authoritative sources, which can easily undermine parents, elders, pastors, and other authority figures. Then when we get old enough, authoritative sources are whomever we pick or respect.
Problem in Aus is that most of the legacy media from our youth is now tainted
Resentment is a powerful ally. Socialism is rooted in psychological envy and resentment. According to Jung, Nietzsche, and Orwell. The political philosophy has always been morally bankrupt.
I'm mostly reiterating what Jordan Peterson has said but
Envy and resentment stem back to cain and abel. They hate the structure of being itself for taking power away from them. So they are he'll bent on getting power back and it means at any moral cost. So they will lie cheat steal hate themselves for harming others, but they justify it by doing it in the name of 'good'
Ultimately it is a degenerate psychological dilemma and often the root of rejecting the patriarchy which supposedly is thousands of years old. Rejecting inherited values or the best psychological approach to things after thousands of years is degenerate. Hence why we see all this playing out with such hatred from people who dont have fatherly wisdom. Then according to Jung, we are projecting the architypal father on Trump aka Jesus. The highest architype of christianity.
Note : it is further a bankrupt philosophy because you must use force (theft) to make others do good. So the moral value of theft presides over any good outcome of any socialist policy. It's like lying , if you lie and something good comes of it, more lies build up..this is according to milton friedman.
The whole idea of an 'ingrained patriarchy' makes no sense to me. Men didn't just decide one day "lets oppress all the women because why not?" To me, the most logical explanation is that women are physically weaker than men and have unavoidable obstacles like menstruation and pregnancy. So, when your life depends on being able to regularly work and having the physical strength to do the work, men are the ones who could do that. Someone had to stay home to raise children and take care of the home, women could do that. There is a unavoidable biological difference between men and women that shaped the roles men and women hold. In modern times, women are way more capable of joining the work force, but ultimately it'll still be harder for some women.
Their definition of "patriarchy" is oppression and suffering. Ours is natural reality. The gaping schism between Left and Right today falls directly in "Nature vs Nurture" territory. This argument is as old as time, and even Lefties can remember being taught about it in school. Simply invoking the words "Nature vs Nurture" reminds the progressives that our ideas on Nature making people different ("racism") are well established.
It's almost funny, the power that comes from truth, too. If you live by it, or at least try your best, you are your own master. I mean, sure, you have those external factors that may bear down, but you know you've been honest and it's extremely liberating. So it's very ironic these people seeking power are seeking or achieving only an illusion of power. It'll ultimately crumble if it's achieved that way.
My blood boiled slightly when you said your friend hits you with the "ah I don't really care".
THEY ALL DO THIS.
It's insufferable, they bring up trump or any of his views and then when you provide a coherent, sane response and try to bring them down to earth a bit, they act like YOU are the one bringing up politics for no reason and instead of just being a reasonable person and admitting they were wrong they say they don't really care.
I'd love more insight into this, it comes across as some brainwashed scripted response but surely it can't be.
It definitely is. One of the coping mechanisms for cognitive dissonance.
It's more than cognitive dissonance. It's a mental disorder to straight up disagree with reality.
People in my family not 24 hours ago were repeating the Charlottesville narrative... after watching the town halls...
There are some people that are totally fucking lost, and to admit they've been wrong in every capacity for the last 4 years would make their head explode.
This is the ‘double down’ phenomenon, right? Total denial. I was telling mates in the pub in 2016, ‘Weeeell, you guys are writing Trump off like he’s nothing...’
None of them thought, ‘hang on, why did Trump really win?’
Instead they all gave each other Covid-TDS. Sad.
Exactly - it still amazes me that not one person has asked me that. People who saw me predict Trump’s win when literally every “expert” was telling them he’d lose and not one of them has EVER come to me and said “how come you knew he would win? How did you get it right and we all got it wrong?”
And it’s gonna be the triple down if he wins again. An all-out, royale with cheese TDS extravaganza of self pity about how ‘everything’s fd now’.
As soon as I bring up the Bidens’ corruption to the wrong people it elicits a bodily function in them where they start dribbling “Well they’re all doing it so...” as if that makes it all ok? The wall goes up so quickly
Your first two sentences say the same thing. ;)
This is exactly what I think! People are walking around trying soooo hard to line it all up every day that it’s driving them bonkers. It’s impossible, surely? It’s why I think the more, shall we say, Lefty suburbs are full of people who are actually deeply unhappy. Spend a day in Newtown. The fake smiles are painful.
YES!! I worked with someone who used to do this all the time - she’d just do like a drive-by, making some BS anti-Trump comment but never giving me an opportunity to rebut. Eventually I cracked it and said look, if you want to discuss Trump I’d fucking LOVE TO, there is literally nothing I’d rather do than talk about Donald Trump. But if you won’t finish it don’t start it - either we have an actual discussion or you stop bringing it up. Since then we’ve discussed politics more (because of Covid) and she has admitted that she really didn’t know anything about Trump. I wouldn’t say she’s a supporter but at least she’s no longer a hater.
It's mental exhaustion. The average person has a "headline-depth" attention span and tolerance for information, so by the time you've argued their point, they've reached the bottom of both their knowledge and attention span. They are ready to be entertained or distracted by something else. "Ugh I don't really care." means that you've exceeded the window of their information tolerance.
That's why things like humor and memes are so effective. Trying to logically deconstruct and examine their ideas in real time to show the average person their logical fallacies is going far beyond their trained capacity for information. They have been conditioned to respond to and digest very short bursts of information, thus memetic warfare is the key for normies. If you have more scholarly friends, they will be more worthwhile going deep on. They can actually last long enough to endure the argument in good faith, and they care more for the truth than partisanship. We'll continue scalping real scholars from the Left until they are naught but a concentration of extreme, low information zealots - and this is already occurring. High information is punished on the Left. The only thing rewarded is emotional solidarity.
Emotional solidarity - I like that
Trump loves peace and order, he has been better than any other president in recent history. He struck a number of peace deals between historically conflicting countries, he defended cities against Antifa terrorism by sending in national guard and federal agents. Just these accomplishments alone make him stand above any democrat.
It doesn't matter to leftists though, orange man is bad in their tiny minds for any reason. They still subscribe to the "Drumpf refuses to denounce white supremacist" hoax.
Wore my MAGA hat out in public for the first time in Cairns today. Got a lot of double takes but legit had three guys say "Love the hat!" without a single negative comment
Australia isn't as lost as you think.
Good work mate. :)
Don't think it's lost. Know it's not. But still surprised at how the media works on otherwise intelligent people.
My mum is the same as your mate. Yesterday she sent me a meme of Dwayne Johnson with a poorly Photoshopped "Dump the Trump" on his shirt.
I replied asking her if she'd seen anything about Hunters laptop. No response. She hates Trump so blindly that she just refuses to listen to logic. My mum is such a smart lady it's so sad to see.
Same, but I'm Canadian. I have some incredibly smart and wise friends, but all of them blindly hate Trump, since they have no other perspective than the one the mainstream media, social media, and Hollywood pushes on them. Whole family hates Trump and are constantly bashing them. Its incredibly frustrating, since so many of them are beyond convincing. I don't really bother anymore since it always leads to a heated argument and kills the vibe when we rarely get to hang out with each other.
I've looked up to my older brother my whole life, he's set almost a perfect example for me to follow and I think he's one of the greatest people in the world. He too dislikes Trump, and it's made me realize and appreciate that the best of us can be swayed by the barrage of propaganda forced on us everywhere we look. You can't expect them to think the same way as us, when they've never really been exposed to an alternative news source.
Can't wait til Trump wins.
Propaganda works. Anyone who thinks it doesn’t effect them is deluded. You can counter it with digging for counter-information if you’re willing to put the time in, but it does work. Commercials work. Ads work. And intelligence may load some on countering it (don’t know of any research specific to that), but it doesn’t grant immunity. I have a physician friend, a psychiatrist friend, and a very successful businessman who have all lost their minds to TDS. All smart people, and overall wise people whose opinions I respect, but the propaganda has created blind spots for them.
Very sad to see isn’t it. I haven’t had a TV for nearly a decade. I’m allergic to advertisements, commercial news and reality TV - all of which are soul-suckers IMHO. I’m only exposed to ads when I’m watching sport and I cringe, deeply. It’s hard to fight back and help your friends when they are consuming such volumes of propaganda.
One of my first red pills was ironically a Frontline episodes on the topic called The Persuaders. https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/persuaders/
Give it a watch. It’s well done, and probably very interesting to watch in today’s context. It opened my eyes to how much commercials play on our emotions, and I found myself getting angry at the duplicity of how every commercial was claiming to be saying one thing, but was subtly saying something else entirely. I don’t get angry anymore, but I am always asking the question of “what are they REALLY saying?” No one is immune, but we can do our best to counter the poison.
Nice one - thanks for the link. Love a good doco.
Ads ARE poison to me. I’m actually not fun to watch TV with. It starts to wind me up.
BTW at first I thought you meant the 90s comedy series Frontline! Now that was good comedy.
Ha! No. PBS. It used to have a brain. Or... idk maybe if I look at it again with more opened eyesI’ll see it was Propaganda all along!
I feel like I’ve seen some great old school PBS docos come up on YouTube. I usually prefer older docos, they don’t repeat themselves so much, treat the viewer with more respect etc And they can say really interesting things that wouldn’t get through these days because the word budget was used up explaining the inevitable link to climate change.
Same. Rarely ever watch tv or netflix or any movies, and I haven't for years. I really can't stand actors, and I'm rarely convinced or entertained by people 'playing pretend' on TV. I should say that I do have several older TV series that I enjoy to re-watch, like The Office, Trailer Park Boys and Arrested Development, but I always struggle to get into new shows. This can be hard when I'm dating girls, since watching shows or movies is a common way for couples to spend time together, but I'm usually overcritical and it kills the mood, so I usually shut my mouth or recommend something else to do.
I only watch NBA and UFC, and the people I follow and support on Youtube. I've pretty much given up watching NBA after being a hardcore fan and a competitive player for more than a decade. It's unbearable to watch the NBA now, and I've lost so much respect for so many of these athletes that I looked up to, as a lifelong athlete. At least my respect for these NBA athletes is being replaced by UFC fighters, of whom I've pretty much obsessed over for the last 5 years.
It's much easier to identify and break free from the mainstream narrative when you aren't constantly consuming it. All of my friends consume a ton of Netflix and Hollywood movies, and they are all increasingly moving further left. This is up in Canada btw.
Interesting.
I heard Joey Diaz, of all people, talking about doing small acting roles in Hollywood productions. Was a real eye opener - he implied that a lot of the time the big actors don’t rehearse from a script, they mostly improvise! That made a lot of sense to me as I feel like I’m the only one yelling at the screen ‘What is this garbage?!’
How many of the really top actors can just improvise their way through a movie? Surely you’d need decent script writing as the basis for a solid story?
I’ve worn mine in Melbourne - not often, but I have. I wore it to my kid’s sportsball game once and another mother asked me if I was wearing it “ironically”. I said no I love the guy, she hasn’t spoken to me since. So go ahead, WEAR IT!
I strongly recommend getting Trump stickers for your car. Be loud and be proud! I’ve had them on my car for four years and haven’t had it vandalised yet 😎
Hahaha, I’d love to see someone walk around Inner West Sydney for a day wearing a MAGA hat. I’m certain they’d feel a little heat
Maybe they would, but it’s important to stand up for what you believe in. I’m a fat old lady with grey hair so I’m unlikely to get beaten up though.
Haha, yes well I’m not quite that far down the road in years but I def drew the line during Trump’s ‘rise’ to the nomination. I’d never seen such wilful dismissal of the truth, such a widespread and wholesale takedown attempt. People bemoaning the end of Obama’s reign, like it was really something THAT good. Whenever I heard Hillary/Obama speak it was like listening to a random bunch of words strung together - at least I knew what Trump was saying for goodness sake. I push back a little now, no matter the company, just so people know they can’t let the conversation deteriorate into a bashing session.
It Melbourne? Your more likely to spot a Tassie Tiger I reckon
That’s in Cairns though ; )
I'm a lone wolf trump supporter in London I have never met anyone who is pro trump. Luckily my fiance is mega based and her family from france love trump. I think the media conditioning is so strong I don't think it is worth trying to red pill my friends. The hate is so strong . When you ask them why they hate trump they say he is said all Mexicans are racist . That's when you know they swallowed the media's lies in 2015 and never questioned it since
Stay strong brother.
For me the most stressful thing is not that they hate Trump. It's that they hate without justification and can't see it.
France? I'm sorry to hear what's happening to your future wife's home country.
Fuck it bro. Just get a student visa and come to the us. Get a work permit and a job and then apply for perm. Residency
Hahaha. I'm a 40 year old professional. Too late in the game for that shit.
To be honest. I'm glad Trump is fighting the good fight over there. But would prefer to be here for the moment. Feel like shits going to kick off over there shortly. Hope you guys get trump back in though. Think it's good for the world.
Ah that’s cool. my in-laws live in Australia. Father in law got a job offer over there when my wife was a baby, then she moved back here. I’ve visited and was in shock at how entrenched American politics and tv are over there. Everywhere I go people first notice my accent, ask me if I’m Canadian or American, and immediately wanna talk American politics. Crazy
Yeah it's weird how much US tv and movies dominate. I actually hate Aussie shows and movies in general. Only like US and UK TV and movies.
Always find it funny that I like UK humor and US humor. Because I think people in the US and UK have trouble appreciating each other's humor a little bit. It's like some Australians are humor translators.
Let’s be honest - historically what are the REALLY great comedies from Australia? It’s pretty slim pickings IMHO. There are some great examples eg The Castle, or The Games (leading up to the Olpympics). But now? Sheesh. PC humour is dull as dishwater.
This here's the wattle, the emblem of our land. You can stick it in a bottle, you can hold it in your hand.
Amen. What's next, Bruce?
Under the Southern Cross I Stand A sprig of wattle in my hand, A native of my native land, Australia you little beauty.
Who would have predicted that would become controversial? First cricket team to tour was Aboriginal too...
Look up Poor Ned by Redgum, we need people like that now, if the Trumpet does not get back in shit is gunna get real, we are sick of the blatant corruption and what is happening in Victoria is a fucking disgrace.
Will look it up!
Sure thing, Bruce!
There seems to be an international obsession with that name...
Its important that people like you help to turn your country around too. The brave people in UK who voted for BREXIT showed us that they could rebel against the global elite, although their story has since been derailed......... but when Trump decided to run and fight the deep state and politics as usual, and when he fought both the left and the RINOS on the right, then you knew he was the right guy for the job- pussy grabbing and all (and we all know that tons of those same politicians have had equally disgusting private conversations about women at some point in their lives). So hopefully our Aussie friends will take up the call to MAGA for your country- and someday I would love to visit (and just hope that my distant cousins are not flaming liberals)
My dad and step mom (who is a great person aside from this) both have severe media influenced TDS. My dad is more receptive to my now years long attempts to give them the most gentle red pill... but my step mom gets her back up about the slightest hint. I try mostly to teach them about Woke political religion zealots. They just cant conceive the idea that huge swaths of the former left as so freaked out by these people they would vote for Trump. I can literally say "look he can be an asshole AND the left can be going insane. Both those things can both be true." But she csnt accept it and starts getting angry. I bring up 100+ days of Woke violent riots and step moms says they are all right wing white supremacists. She called Candace Owens... a black white supremacists... something i called her out on as being racist and exsctly why so many non white people are shifting to thr right.
She thinks the left are like... lovely Jedi and the right are evil Sith Lords... or something. Well guess what... the Jedi made Darth Vader with their moronic relgious ideas.
Yeah she's parroting the TV and not thinking for herself. My mom is the same way. She cannot form one coherent factual 'point' against Trump. If she goes into ANY amount of detail the facts are all lost.
"Trump robbed all those people with Trump University and got sued and lost" "Trump separated thousands of children from their parents at the border PERMANENTlY" "Trump and Kushner were slum lords..." I told her Kushner was a liberal and all I got was blank stares hahaha.
Same here with my parents, friends and fucking everybody up in Canada
Try this video on them https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbozDBM67lY
I also lost my lifelong friends in a similar fashion but I pushed them away as much as they did me. When your very concept of reality and truth start to diverge so much, I can now only see them as an Orwellian cult of pathetic losers. And they of course project that back onto me. So better to stay away until they come back around.
I did too. I feel like I have very little in common with people who aren’t red-pilled, and I just cbf defending myself and being judged all the time about things that I care so deeply about. I’ve drifted apart from people I’ve been friends with for over 30 years ☹️
First one I tried to reconnect with. Hit him up for months to catch up but he never agreed. Didn't say why.
Second one I pushed away as well. Obviously our world view was too different to hang out (was almost there before the final argument and without Trump anyway).
Just remember that becoming a conservative is the natural progression of life. When you are young and foolish, you tend to vote Democrat. When you get older and start understanding the world and the way it works, start understanding human behavior, own property, and start thinking about the future of you children, you become a conservative.
Conservatism correlates with wisdom. Even old Democrats have decency and conservative values, and the disagreements aren't about "tearing down the system" but smaller things that used to separate the parties. It's the millennial Democrat psychos - 30s, no family, ruined life - who are looking for a reason to exist and therefore take up the mantle of this leftist cult.
I have an old childhood friend who has totally gone TDS. Lost friends over it, etc. 43 years old. Lives with his mom. No job. Being an activist is his way of giving meaning to his life. Without it, what is his purpose? His biggest dream in life would be to be the commissar going door to door making sure everyone is following the "rules" for the "greater good". Nothing would make him happier than having a big, custodial key ring that jangles as he walks, each key affirming his perceived importance. Narcissism which hasn't been nurtured turns bitter and looks to blame everything and everyone else for its lack of success in life.
The dude also has more ticks than a timex watch. Bizarre behavior shit. He'll do this fake yawn when he's socially nervous or feels inadequate. I see him about once a year, and the other day I went back to the old neighborhood to ask if he wanted to grab some lunch with me and my young son (I'm buying, of course). He eats his burger in about 2 minutes, just totally wolfs is down like a homeless person (he looks homeless, too. Totally unkempt, bad hygiene, etc.) It's impossible to talk about anything with this guy either besides video games, because any mention of anything "adult" will make him feel inadequate, and he kind of drops out of the conversation, or if it's something esoteric he's read about, he'll go full pedant. The guy has always been smart, but he's a fool and missing just the plain simple horse-sense of someone with experience. And while he is smart in the sense of having sometimes wikipedic knowledge of a certain subject, I wouldn't say he's "bright" or "sharp". He'll miss the obvious in favor of the complex, and is often unable of drawing rational conclusions, despite having all of this knowledge. Whatever the opposite of astute is, he's it.
Anyway, I don't mean to go on about this but about ten minutes into lunch he's finished, and starts cleaning up the table. Even so far as cleaning up my fries that I'm still eating, so much that I had to tell him that I was still eating. To which he responds, "Sorry, that's just my inner food service instincts coming out." What it really is, is that this dude is in full fight or flight and wants to get the hell out of here because he feels threatened by my presence. Not violently threatened, but me being around him forces him to face his own inadequacy and failure. I'm sitting here with my son, I have a wife and a family, I've got my shit together, I've accomplished some extraordinary things in my life that most would consider impressive. And here is this dude, living at home at 43 years old and waiting on his mother to die to inherit property.
And he'll tell you exactly why Trump is bad, and how we're all "bootlickers" for supporting law and order. A revolution is his last hope to make something of himself. And this is the case with all Marxists. Marxism is their revenge against a society which they believe has shut them out, when it's really their own failures. They don't hate you. They hate themselves. You are their proxy. This is who we're dealing with.
I have a co-worker who is undergoing cancer treatment for a relatively minor condition that she says she's going to come out of okay. I don't know if she's undiagnosed/undermedicated bipolar but the whole corona scare has made her a lunatic about masks at work ("THE SIX FOOT RULE IS A LIE! MASKS ON AT ALL TIMES!") Then she uses her cancer as a pity card whenever others countered her with info from CDC and WHO (yeah, I know...). I'm just glad she's kept her mouth shut about politics although I know her to be quite liberal.
Yeah. I was basically calling her to make sure she was alright. Shes massively liberal and knows I don't mind Trump. But she just kept pushing it.
She still likes my Facebook photos regularly and is trying to get back in. But she can fuck off. Don't need mentals in my life.
If someone just says to me .. "yeah trump's not my cup of tea". I can easily move on.
If someone hates Trump but not like mentally I can usually just deflect and say "yeah I disagree but who cares".
It's the people who are basically so caught up in their media driven rage that they don't even care about civility that I can't handle.
If I ran around telling everyone I know how much Trump impressed me without testing the water id have little to no friends. Im not that sort of guy.
I've discovered at least one person at work who has been flying under the radar but let me know he's pro Trump. I've never said it out loud myself but they've known me to be conservative for as long as I've been there so they assume. Fine with me. I myself own no MAGA items but in recent weeks I've taken to wearing red white and blue Zulu style watch bands. It's a code now.
Many coworkers at work are keeping their love of Trump on the QT because democrats can be so CRAZY and full of hate= and will just label us all as racists .....its all bs,
The Left and the media have developed it into a daily Two Minute Hate exercise. It is straight out of 1984. I don’t think Orwell intended 1984 to be an operations manual, but here we are.
i am from canada .our media pumps out orange man bad nonstop for the last 4 years because it deflects anyone from paying attention to trudeau robbing us blind.our country i bein led off a cliff and most canadians are blind to it. they all know every thing trump has ever been accused of though
Yeah it's sad and crazy. My 42 year old son won't speak to me and I've lost friends and a job I really liked because I support Trump. There's no way to have a discussion with people possessed by TDS.
My brother and I don’t really talk any more because he’s so far left - I can’t imagine how hard it would be to have your child do that to you, I’m sorry to hear it. I hope things get better for you.
I am hopeful for the complete recovery of our family members :)
Sorry to hear mate.
Hopefully your son comes around and that you can forgive him.
Thank you.
Happened to me too, My sis and my best friend both hate Trump.
When my Sister said she hated Trump, I was like why? She couldn't answer me in detail, just started spouting the headlines. I was like okay if you're not intelligent enough to do your research or understand what's happening I will be very disappointed. Since she respects me and of course loves me she took my words seriously and did her research and started liking Trump.
As for my friend I just told him I will whack his face if he keeps spouting MSM nonsense. Lol, he is a Leftard American, I keep mocking the feminists and the democrats every time we speak, he can't counter my points. Made him promise that he will do his research, fingers crossed.
One of my best friends has considerable dislike towards Trump. He sees Trump being nationalist and anti illegal-immigration as good things. But then he swallows most MSM's "orange man bad" headlines and loses his mind when I'm instantly skeptical over MSM articles. He says that I'm biased with news, and that I accept stuff that criticizes Left without question.
I kept asking him a question which he kept ignoring and I had to ask around five times before he finally answered it. I asked "If I was making statements to you that often, or most of the time proved to be lies, would you be skeptical towards stuff I say?". He finally gave a positive answer. His arguments in favor of MSM include "it's reputable news outlet, why would they lie?".
It's saddening how MSM meddles with people's brains.
I also believe that part of their inability to break free from the leftist anti-Trump narrative is due to the fact that it would pretty much shatter so much of the framework of their reality. That they can't trust the news, that Hollywood is full of propaganda, that they've been completely convinced about all sorts of lies not only about Trump, but about their whole ideas of how the world around them operates behind the scenes.
Not to mention their main sources of entertainment should no longer be trusted, and now they're thinking well wtf else do we do for fun! I was given the red-pill gradually over the last 3 or so years from a ton of guys I follow on YouTube, like Owen Benjamin, Gavin Mcinnis, Stefan Molyneux, and they mostly started out as comedy channels that slowly inserted major red pills and truth bombs as they uncovered it for themselves - and we all kind of woke up alongside each other!
I think its asking a lot of your average person to completely wake up from the brainwashing, and to collapse their basic model of the entire system. I think what makes it difficult for those of us like you and I to convince them is due to the fact that we're so far removed from the lies and programming. Instead of saying its ALL RIGHT FUCKING HERE, JUST LOOK! It's hard for us to sympathize with the fact that it took us a long gradual approach in getting to the point that we are now.
Well said
It's really sad, part of me thinks it's the system of education that's failing a lot of ppl.
I had an American professor who was hell-bent on driving the value of critical thinking into us, we need more professors like that in the system.
Teach and promote critical thinking in the students for the love of God.
Completely agree on critical thinking
It's pretty hard when all our media is basically against trump, except for the based sky news Australia of course
Extremely difficult
If it makes you feel any better, I'm am American who lost a German friends over who the German chancellor is... and Trump. LOL
Shame. Australian women I've seen usually have nice milkers.
It is 100% the media pushing their leftist narratives and doing whatever they can to destroy President Trump, his administration, his family and his friends. It's the same old shit every election. I travel Internationally, they hated Bush and labelled him the same as President Trump - racist, fascist, KKK, Nazi, etc. Far too many believe it. Obama was a saint in their eyes, no matter what he did.
I do have to say though, I was on a Cruise around Australia and eventually to East Asia where 90% of travelers were Australian, mostly older retirement age and they were, for the most part, based and respectful. And party animals, holy cow was that a fun cruise with no political bullshit.
Good to hear!
TDS is a very real thing. Trump Derangement Syndrome. Especially in overly emotional people. which tends to be women.
Yes, I work with someone that has Stage IV TDS, it’s incredible to see it up close. For example, she genuinely believes that the Mueller Report found proof that Trump colluded with Russia. Blows my mind.
Will never forget one of my acquaintances from another country once told me that they couldn't believe how racist Tump was... and themself then used a racial slur in the next minute of conversation. I was floored. People are so brainwashed by the media it's not even funny. The absolute lack of self-awareness is horrifying.
I actually spoke to someone at work who said she thought we shouldn’t really have any borders. I was kind of stunned, I didn’t realise that actual people genuinely thought anything that crazy.
Everyone here has lost friends or family over this. Its an information war. I truly believe the "elites" are fighting for their lives.
Demoralization tactics, smears, and increased lunacy falsified as progressiveness. Trumps previous high % voter base (white males) have been made to look like the villain in every regard. All assets have been deployed to stop another term. People have been programmed all of their lives to obey. People have had the illusion all of their lives that their voice mattered.
It truly is an information war. I don't watch Info Wars, but they're spot on with their name. We have our sources of information and they have theirs. Both sides can go on and on and on about the details of their info. The left says "but we have science on our side!" Meanwhile we have scientists on the right claiming the opposite of their scientists. It's very hard to discern whose information is right, but one thing for sure is that the mainstream news is THE ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE, and their narrative is always false.
It's all fake critical discernment. It's the badge of the lazy and incurious. Having a strong opinion, even an uninformed one, is more important than having an actual defensible opinion. This happens to smart and dumb people. It's also trendy and people will follow the lemmings off a cliff because they think it's the path of least social resistance. You see, if you don't hate Trump then you HAVE to defend it. If you hate him you get baaa in agreement and that's the end of it.
I'm in Canada and its the same here. It absolutely is the media and its control over people...it takes a lot of finesse and red pulling to figure out what works to bring people back to normalcy.
You have to be cautious and tactful when dealing with someone who suffers from TDS (if you value their friendship).. basically look for the issue theyre hung up on and show them the other side of the story... most people reject things outright that don't confirm their bias but if you just present a logical point without being super forceful about it.. you can get most to at least question why they think that way.
Once they start questioning... theyre already on the path.
In Australia as well, but you’re not alone. I’m sure we all have similar stories from around the world.
Australians and Canadians are very similar in this regard, as well as many others.
You mean German Hillary?
There's more shitting on Trump in our media (Germany) than reporting about our own politics...
... They fear that someone like him or his ideas could win in Europe.
They don't even give you the chance to make your own opinion. They will report stuff like "Trump made racist remarks once again!" without even posting a quote, so you literally can't decide yourself
Same in Canada. There is not one single right-leaning mainstream news source on TV in Canada. All of them are far-left. No wonder every Canadian I've met in person hates Trump. Strangers I meet when I'm walking my dog, bring up their hate for Trump for fucks sakes. These are all friendly, respectable and good people, but they've been completely brainwashed by the Canadian leftist media, with no other options for news sources.
Same story here bud . It’s insane
One thing TDS sufferers love to do is post an article (NYT, CNN, etc.) that is something like "the 50 times trump was racist" or whatever, knowing that you dont have the time or will to go through each one and debunk. But if you do, they will say "why do you try so hard to defend him, why do you care so much" and so on. If you simply post a counter article, they attack the source and not the content because that is what they're taught to do... react based on headline or source, not content.
Tell your friends to watch more Sky News. Sky News AUS is pretty based, especially compared to it's English twin.
Very similar situation here in Canada. All of my friends who are into politics hate the guy and think they're much smarter than him. Those of my other friends who aren't into politics just think he's a clown and an idiot. Whole family hates Trump as well. Basically any strangers I talk to for more than a few minutes while walking my dog eventually bring up what an idiot and bad person he is. I've met several older guys in their 40s and 50s while walking my dog, who are sick of all of the immigration and the ensuing degradation of Canadian culture, but they too can't stand Trump - even though he is enforcing everything they stand for.
Of course, all of these opinions are based off the narrative of the mainstream American media and also the Canadian news media. All of the news media in Canada is almost entirely far left-leaning. Partly due to the fact that our current Prime Minister, Trudeau, promised the CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Corporation) something like $1.6 billion in additional funding as a way to pressure them into supporting him and the far-left narrative.
I can't say I've met any other Canadian who is actually red-pilled. I know they exist, as seen on this site, but they are so rare. Even those who have woken up to the fact that Canadian culture and the population are being diluted by massive immigration and 'multiculturalism', almost everyone here still hates Trump. There's a massive inferiority complex that Canadians have and it almost always leads to them claiming how we're so much better than the States. For perspective, I'm 30 y/o and myself, my family and many of my friends are quite successful, or at least on our way.
It's like inception, once you put a thought in someone's mind is difficult to undo it. Especially when it's being confirmed by other people. Being an objective free thinker is liberating.
I know people that still think that he made fun of an disabled reporter
Yup, I'm probably going to be losing some friends pretty soon because of their blind hate for Trump. I know people who've already lost friends because they dared support Trump. It's absurd how little people actually know.
They have been demoralized and subverted
Lol fuck Merkel tho
If any of my friends like Angela Merkel, they can get bent too lol
I love when I argue with friends about how great Trump is and all I hear is " It's only because you watch FOX News!" You know when you're dealing with an NPC when they think that FOX news likes Trump.
Yeah I have a buddy up here in Canada that has hardly talked to us in 2 years. He gets all his info from Global news and he reads the McLeans mag. He says it's a balanced magazine and he gave me a copy. So I read it and it was 19 articles against Trump/USA and 1 pro Trump opinion piece. Super balanced.
Yeah another great thread from abroad that damns Trump with or without faint praise or worries about Pakistanis who we historically supported but who sheltered Bin Laden. Fix your own broken country that cant be countec on to take the right stand about anything anymore
To be fair I feel like there’s a slight awakening...especially when it comes to China. The extent of Chinese influence and corruption amongst our politicians is beginning to break the surface...
The federa Labor Party also lost what was thought to be an unlosable election last time around - there are many reasons, but one was Labor hitching itself to the Far Left...
Fellow patriots. Other countries care! https://www.youtube.com/user/DiscoverMinistries
I'm sorry you've got a widespread outbreak of TDS in your country.
Most Americans funny know who the prime minister of Germany or leader of China is lol
I’m in Australia and can confirm this story 100%. I’ve definitely lost friends over my support for Trump as well. I’m also “out” at work as a Trump supporter, but it took me a couple of years to do it! Apart from Sky News our entire media is also anti-Trump.
Aussie Trump supporter here too!! I am a somewhat closet conservative. I have kind of just stopped talking to people unless I really have too. It is just exhausting. My family despise him. My university lecturers and tutors also rant and rave about him stealing the election and diagnose him with all the psychological disorders. The locals in my community just repeat verbatim whatever the TV tells them. Victorians hate Dan Andrews and then in the same breath Donald Trump when Dictator Dan is actually a psychopath. What happened to critical thinking? People's brains are so lazy, they cannot think for themselves anymore. My mother in law insists she is not a leftie yet relies on ABC for her news. They are the biggest commies of all!! I could rant on lol
OzPede, you in VIC?
Not in Vic but watching very closely.
I find that Australians in general trust journalists more than Americans. Despite journalists, especially those in the ABC, shown to be wrong over and over on a variety of topics.
dude I lost friends and family. my parents have probably both already voted for pure evil. I couldn't stop it. I just hope mailfags get involved, since both sides are going to be cheating anyway might as well cheat harder.