My fiancé has trouble getting past Trump's assholery (which if we're being honest, absolutely exists - I just happen to love when he's being a dick to those who deserve it), but she doesn't really enjoy politics and I try to avoid bogging her down with my take on things.
We're gonna have an at-home date night where I get a full lecture worth of time to cut through the personality contest and get down to brass tax. She's open to it and I have a feeling ill convince her, but it's really hard for some people to see past that initial 2015-2016 coverage unless they consumed hundreds of hours of news that contradicts the most easily accessible narratives.
I couldn't tolerate straight up TDS, though. I'm lucky in that I can at least understand that someone with only surface level exposure isn't too keen on him at first.
My wife's behavior resembles your first paragraph. Trump is a grandmaster troll. If you don't actually listen to him and only listen to the MSM you will think he's a stupid jerk. After another hard day of work, the last thing she wants to deal with is politics. Thus, she doesn't want to hear me yelling at the TV. There is also massive gaslighting going on right now. Military strength. If you don't have places to go like thedonald.win it is very easy to fall for their BS.
My wife and I still get along just fine other than politics. Almost 11 years now.
With my fiancé, I've never been bothered by the fact that we disagree on some issues or that she might weigh certain things more than I do.
My approach on our date night is going to be separating the personality from the policy. I can directly point to more than a handful of ways that we've both benefitted massively from Trump's policies, and show on paper exactly how much more expensive our lives will be if Biden were to somehow squeeze a win.
We live in a blue-as-fuck city, all of her friends are dems, and her family members are the classic example of TDS'ers who moved to a free state for the benefits, only to vote for politicians who want to bring the policies they explicitly avoided to their new home. Its tough for her because they're vapid anti trumpers, which she at the very least finds off-putting since she knows a lot of the mainstream narrative is a load of shit.
We used to listen to Bongino in the car and she enjoyed him a lot. The only reason we stopped was because he used to get carried away with the whole "liberals, with their thick, impenetrable bomb-shelter-rated skulls" which again, was understandable since she's always been a bit behind the curve relative to myself.
All of that said, she knows Trump was spied on. She knows Obama was at the head of it. She knows that, generally, the socially accepted position isn't the truth. Its been a while since we really dove into it and the last bit of Trump she saw was the first 10 minutes of his debate with Biden, which was disappointing since I felt like it wasn't a good representation of why I like him so much.
Good luck to you and your wife, Pede. May we both strike success in flipping, or at least encouraging a third party vote from our lovely SO's 🤣
I used to always vote Libertarian (for the most part) as a protest vote as Democrats and Republicans are a bunch of liars. Now that I’m on the Trump Train, my wife is like “what happened to you?”. Gosh, golly gee, I found a guy who told the truth and kept his promises and everything around him for the most part is an infestation that needs to be removed.
SAME HERE except she's less upset and more just pointing out that I absolutely flipped hard to the right at a certain point (the Kavanaugh hearing is what did it for me. I went from a spectator enjoying the show to feeling genuinely angry with what I saw).
Last sentence totally nailed it for me. Perhaps that’s the deal. My wife is comfortable being a spectator; like I was. But now that I see all the lies, treason, sedition, etc. and point it out it has become an issue.
My recommendation if you want to keep your relationship with your fiancé is to not make it an attack on her beliefs. I suggest you ask her what she dislikes about him and agree with the points she makes that you also agree. For example, "Trump is so abrasive and I don't like how he talks sometimes" is the one I hear most. Don't ask for examples. She will feel put on the spot. I made that mistake once.
Then make a rational statement about how he has been maligned with impeachment over Russia probe and false statements about racism (e.g., "fine people" at Charlottesville). All of which have been debunked. Then ask her if any of the other candidates (Dem or Rep) could have withstood that kind of pressure. Perhaps there is a better way to address these attacks, but Trump is a NY street brawler and goes on the attack when attacked and he withstood all of it. Do you believe Biden could handle the onslaught of impeachment and Russia collusion questions? Maybe if Trump wasn't so maliciously attacked, he wouldn't have to attack back.
Whether you agree with all of his policies or not, Trump has done a ton for our economy, jobs, bringing manufacturing back, prison reform, lowering drug prices, cracking down on criminals like MS-13, lowering taxes for middle income Americans, renegotiating foreign trade agreements, even getting some peace agreements in the Middle East. He has done more for America in 4 years than most of these politicians have done in 40 years.
Trump is definitely abrasive at times. But maybe the times are calling for it when we have politicians taking fake dossier and trying to impeach the president. And we have groups like Antifa who are trying to burn America to the ground. America needs a tough president someone who is a fighter, right now. If there were tougher canidates out there that are less abrasive I would consider voting for them. But, I don't see any others out there willing to fight for America.
Great advice. Thanks for taking the time to lay that out. So far, that's usually my approach when talking about Trump. It's pretty easy to disarm someone by admitting "Yeah, Trump's an ass. He's not scored a 100/100 in my book either, but I think a lot of what he has done well is ignored or spun in a way that doesn't ring true."
People expect Trump supporters to be what you see on cable. Uneducated, overweight, stupid hicks who are baited into giving less than optically-ideal interviews. When you pull the curtain and show them that someone they've come to like can not only support trump, but articulate why you don't for you and then explain why its not a valid criticism, it isn't going to change their minds, but it chips away enough that maybe the next person will convince them, or maybe they'll do some digging and see what they're being mislead on.
Either way, that's always been my approach with my girl. She's incredibly smart, kicks ass at her job, and the least I can do for her is to not inundate her by yelling about how Trump is being targeted and how she needs to vote red in a city that has 0% chance of flipping. Politics matters, and its important to discuss, but its not my place to force her into taking interest. When she brings it up, I'll have my piece, she might agree or disagree, and then we'll get back to watching something funny and decompressing on the couch.
Thanks again for the advice. Ill be revisiting before our sit down town hall 😁
Sounds like you have a great relationship. That's hard to come by. Keep it up. Most people I know are offended by his tweeting. Most of which is in reaction to someone talking negatively towards him, his family or someone in his administration. If they ever took time to see how he actually interacts with people (who are not foaming at the mouth at him), I believe they would see a very caring person. Unlike a lot of the politicians who have sold America out.
Yeah, it was a risk. But my banter at the bottom, me in Red, should suffice that I'm not a Biden supporter. Also, my entire time on the.donald from inception until now always showing support for President Trump.
I feel your pain. My wife has TDS and she apparently likes Harris.
It has been a rough year on many levels.
Sounds harsh, bro
My fiancé has trouble getting past Trump's assholery (which if we're being honest, absolutely exists - I just happen to love when he's being a dick to those who deserve it), but she doesn't really enjoy politics and I try to avoid bogging her down with my take on things.
We're gonna have an at-home date night where I get a full lecture worth of time to cut through the personality contest and get down to brass tax. She's open to it and I have a feeling ill convince her, but it's really hard for some people to see past that initial 2015-2016 coverage unless they consumed hundreds of hours of news that contradicts the most easily accessible narratives.
I couldn't tolerate straight up TDS, though. I'm lucky in that I can at least understand that someone with only surface level exposure isn't too keen on him at first.
My wife's behavior resembles your first paragraph. Trump is a grandmaster troll. If you don't actually listen to him and only listen to the MSM you will think he's a stupid jerk. After another hard day of work, the last thing she wants to deal with is politics. Thus, she doesn't want to hear me yelling at the TV. There is also massive gaslighting going on right now. Military strength. If you don't have places to go like thedonald.win it is very easy to fall for their BS.
My wife and I still get along just fine other than politics. Almost 11 years now.
I'm glad I'm not the only one!
With my fiancé, I've never been bothered by the fact that we disagree on some issues or that she might weigh certain things more than I do.
My approach on our date night is going to be separating the personality from the policy. I can directly point to more than a handful of ways that we've both benefitted massively from Trump's policies, and show on paper exactly how much more expensive our lives will be if Biden were to somehow squeeze a win.
We live in a blue-as-fuck city, all of her friends are dems, and her family members are the classic example of TDS'ers who moved to a free state for the benefits, only to vote for politicians who want to bring the policies they explicitly avoided to their new home. Its tough for her because they're vapid anti trumpers, which she at the very least finds off-putting since she knows a lot of the mainstream narrative is a load of shit.
We used to listen to Bongino in the car and she enjoyed him a lot. The only reason we stopped was because he used to get carried away with the whole "liberals, with their thick, impenetrable bomb-shelter-rated skulls" which again, was understandable since she's always been a bit behind the curve relative to myself.
All of that said, she knows Trump was spied on. She knows Obama was at the head of it. She knows that, generally, the socially accepted position isn't the truth. Its been a while since we really dove into it and the last bit of Trump she saw was the first 10 minutes of his debate with Biden, which was disappointing since I felt like it wasn't a good representation of why I like him so much.
Good luck to you and your wife, Pede. May we both strike success in flipping, or at least encouraging a third party vote from our lovely SO's 🤣
I used to always vote Libertarian (for the most part) as a protest vote as Democrats and Republicans are a bunch of liars. Now that I’m on the Trump Train, my wife is like “what happened to you?”. Gosh, golly gee, I found a guy who told the truth and kept his promises and everything around him for the most part is an infestation that needs to be removed.
SAME HERE except she's less upset and more just pointing out that I absolutely flipped hard to the right at a certain point (the Kavanaugh hearing is what did it for me. I went from a spectator enjoying the show to feeling genuinely angry with what I saw).
Last sentence totally nailed it for me. Perhaps that’s the deal. My wife is comfortable being a spectator; like I was. But now that I see all the lies, treason, sedition, etc. and point it out it has become an issue.
My recommendation if you want to keep your relationship with your fiancé is to not make it an attack on her beliefs. I suggest you ask her what she dislikes about him and agree with the points she makes that you also agree. For example, "Trump is so abrasive and I don't like how he talks sometimes" is the one I hear most. Don't ask for examples. She will feel put on the spot. I made that mistake once.
Then make a rational statement about how he has been maligned with impeachment over Russia probe and false statements about racism (e.g., "fine people" at Charlottesville). All of which have been debunked. Then ask her if any of the other candidates (Dem or Rep) could have withstood that kind of pressure. Perhaps there is a better way to address these attacks, but Trump is a NY street brawler and goes on the attack when attacked and he withstood all of it. Do you believe Biden could handle the onslaught of impeachment and Russia collusion questions? Maybe if Trump wasn't so maliciously attacked, he wouldn't have to attack back.
Whether you agree with all of his policies or not, Trump has done a ton for our economy, jobs, bringing manufacturing back, prison reform, lowering drug prices, cracking down on criminals like MS-13, lowering taxes for middle income Americans, renegotiating foreign trade agreements, even getting some peace agreements in the Middle East. He has done more for America in 4 years than most of these politicians have done in 40 years.
Trump is definitely abrasive at times. But maybe the times are calling for it when we have politicians taking fake dossier and trying to impeach the president. And we have groups like Antifa who are trying to burn America to the ground. America needs a tough president someone who is a fighter, right now. If there were tougher canidates out there that are less abrasive I would consider voting for them. But, I don't see any others out there willing to fight for America.
Congrats, you've been saved in my Gems folder 😅
Great advice. Thanks for taking the time to lay that out. So far, that's usually my approach when talking about Trump. It's pretty easy to disarm someone by admitting "Yeah, Trump's an ass. He's not scored a 100/100 in my book either, but I think a lot of what he has done well is ignored or spun in a way that doesn't ring true."
People expect Trump supporters to be what you see on cable. Uneducated, overweight, stupid hicks who are baited into giving less than optically-ideal interviews. When you pull the curtain and show them that someone they've come to like can not only support trump, but articulate why you don't for you and then explain why its not a valid criticism, it isn't going to change their minds, but it chips away enough that maybe the next person will convince them, or maybe they'll do some digging and see what they're being mislead on.
Either way, that's always been my approach with my girl. She's incredibly smart, kicks ass at her job, and the least I can do for her is to not inundate her by yelling about how Trump is being targeted and how she needs to vote red in a city that has 0% chance of flipping. Politics matters, and its important to discuss, but its not my place to force her into taking interest. When she brings it up, I'll have my piece, she might agree or disagree, and then we'll get back to watching something funny and decompressing on the couch.
Thanks again for the advice. Ill be revisiting before our sit down town hall 😁
Sounds like you have a great relationship. That's hard to come by. Keep it up. Most people I know are offended by his tweeting. Most of which is in reaction to someone talking negatively towards him, his family or someone in his administration. If they ever took time to see how he actually interacts with people (who are not foaming at the mouth at him), I believe they would see a very caring person. Unlike a lot of the politicians who have sold America out.
Thank you for noticing and appreciating. :)
“You’re going to pay”. This is laughable. Come and try to make me “pay”, leftist.
Now he seems like one of the good blacks
Yeah, it was a risk. But my banter at the bottom, me in Red, should suffice that I'm not a Biden supporter. Also, my entire time on the.donald from inception until now always showing support for President Trump.