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LirukDatan 1 point ago +1 / -0

What is the point that you are trying to make?

From what I can see, it looks like the half assed measures used to reduce or mitigate the spread of the China virus were also very effective against the spread of influenza as a side effect.

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OrangeElvis 2 points ago +2 / -0

The point is either the flu went away, or everyone being tested positive for flu is instead being counted as Covid.

Hint: it is the latter. CDC outright admits this.

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LirukDatan 1 point ago +1 / -0

Let's ignore Covid for a moment, and consider how a virus that is also airborne but with shorter incubation period (and if you do get it, you'll recover in 7-10 days) would spread if:

  1. Large portion of the population is wearing masks.

  2. Airports restrict travel, and generally people travel less due to financial reasons.

  3. Lockdowns that restrict movement forcing people to remain close to their homes.

  4. Quarantine orders that make people sit in isolation for 12-14 days (so if you do get the flu, you'll recover without infecting other people before you get to leave quarantine).

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OrangeElvis 1 point ago +1 / -0
  1. Masks have been found to be statistically insignificant in protection from the flu

  2. Ok

  3. Ok

4 OK

This in no way accounts for the decrease in flu numbers. If isolation was actually happening then Covid numbers would drop unless the viruses spread completely differently in KIND - not just degree.

As we know, people are not isolating - they can't. We need stuff. In short, something else is going on - and it is highly unlikely the flu just stopped spreading.

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LirukDatan 1 point ago +1 / -0

Do you understand that the measures taken against Covid to reduce its spread are also effective against the flu? If you catch the flu, but can't use public transportation, fly to another country, go to a mall, school, work, etc. You will not infect countless other people. If you catch the flu and happen to sit out in isolation for 2 weeks, you will recover from the flu and possibly won't infect anyone at all (besides possibly only the immediatee family).

I don't see any contradictions in the numbers provided by the CDC. Also what I've described serves as a simple explanation (Occam's razor) for the data that does not include grand conspiracy. Also, even if conflating the test results and writing positives as Covid rather than the flu is conceptually possible, correlation does not mean causation. Doesn't mean that this is what's behind the change in flu numbers.

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OrangeElvis 1 point ago +1 / -0

Yes, I understand that. However the measures you site are no where near effective enough to be responsible for the 90+% decrease in flu cases. You argue that MITIGATING actions account for a near disappearance of incidences - which is a false correlation.

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LirukDatan 1 point ago +1 / -0

I argue that these measures are not very effective against Covid, because of its long incubation period, but are much more effective against the flu.

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OrangeElvis 1 point ago +1 / -0

Well, I am open to actual facts and data. It doesn't pass the logic test, however. For instance, I would like to see Sweden vs Norway flu data.

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