I don’t agree, but that’s alright.

I’m not saying groups are a “problem”. Just that different groups have distinct group-interests and those aren’t always aligned.

As far as I’ve read, Orthodox Jewish adherents top out at 50% conservative, not as high as you’re implying (which is only a 20% minority of their population total).

And the only data I’ve seen on African American protestants is PEW, which says 90% of them were against Trump. Assuming that is as wrong as the polls were, and taking into account fraud, maybe that figure is actually 70%. It still means they’re majority against Trump as an electorate.

If the only people that are pro-Trump are the minority of their group which fits some narrow window of acceptability (true believers, etc), but the majority don’t fit the definition, then you and I are both correct. The segment of the most conservative group are on our side (your point). But the majority are against us (my point).

Re: ethnic conflict being invented by the left - the left plays up and exacerbates ethnic conflict, but the conflict exists because these groups have distinct and often conflicting interests, and thus support policies and politicians that benefit themselves but not other groups. For example, South Africa is redistributing farms from one ethnicity to another. Clearly one ethnicity is benefiting from that and one is losing. Future policies of ethnic wealth redistribution will have the same dynamics (and be masked by terms like reparations).

You will never have a situation where the left doesn’t exist. And you will never have a situation where underlying group interest conflict doesn’t exist. So I’m not sure in what universe you think that just vanishes and isn’t a critical dynamic. Just because you blame it on the Left, doesn’t make it go away. It’s a permanent part of our reality. There’s a reason countries came to exist with borders and separate languages after thousands of years of back and forth in places like Europe, Asia and Africa. Those underlying dynamics are the permanent reality, and right and left politics plays off of that. Whether you deem it moral or immoral, it continues to exist.

As the two sides increase in hostility to each other (as has happened since the 90’s), people will become more entrenched in their positions. Not less. The Republican Party will never win over the majority of the black vote. Hitting 50% of the Latino vote is perhaps possible, but will require very specific sacrifices (which may or may not be critical). Those that agree with the party as it is, have already voted for us. Those that aren’t voting for us, require additional concessions. Maybe opening the border to Mexico completely, etc.

Trump, won the largest percentage of the minority vote for a republican in the past whatever years. Which is an extremely low bar since no Republican seems to get over like 15% of the African-American vote. It’s laughable as a strategy to think that increasing that by a relative 25% would even matter, but at the same time, I understand it’s rhetorical value. There are legitimate people on the other side that are allies and they should be protected from retribution by their own in-group. But let’s not delude ourselves to think we’re all gonna hold hands one day. It’s not gonna happen. You have lots of public African American influencers taking a pro-trump position but yet the streets are filled with rioters and looters from their communities.

The future is either perpetual opposing blocs of voters, or an eventual independence movement that may stem from either side (or both sides) if hostilities ever increase and become intolerable. There’s no future where they all start voting republican en masse. That’s just propaganda from our side (I think).

I don’t agree, but that’s alright.

I’m not saying groups are a “problem”. Just that different groups have distinct group-interests and those aren’t always aligned.

As far as I’ve read, Orthodox Jewish adherents top out at 50% conservative, not as high as you’re implying (which is only a 20% minority of their population total).

And the only data I’ve seen on African American protestants is PEW, which says 90% of them were against Trump. Assuming that is as wrong as the polls were, and taking into account fraud, maybe that figure is actually 70%. It still means they’re majority against Trump as an electorate.

If the only people that are pro-Trump are the minority of their group which fits some narrow window of acceptability (true believers, etc), but the majority don’t fit the definition, then you and I are both correct. The segment of the most conservative group are on our side (your point). But the majority are against us (my point).

Re: ethnic conflict being invented by the left - the left plays up and exacerbates ethnic conflict, but the conflict exists because these groups have distinct and often conflicting interests, and thus support policies and politicians that benefit themselves but not other groups. For example, South Africa is redistributing farms from one ethnicity to another. Clearly one ethnicity is benefiting from that and one is losing. Future policies of ethnic wealth redistribution will have the same dynamics (and be masked by terms like reparations).

You will never have a situation where the left doesn’t exist. And you will never have a situation where underlying group interest conflict doesn’t exist. So I’m not sure in what universe you think that just vanishes and isn’t a critical dynamic. Just because you blame it on the Left, doesn’t make it go away. It’s a permanent part of our reality. There’s a reason countries came to exist with borders and separate languages after thousands of years of back and forth in places like Europe, Asia and Africa. Those underlying dynamics are the permanent reality, and right and left politics plays off of that. Whether you deem it moral or immoral, it continues to exist.

As the two sides increase in hostility to each other (as has happened since the 90’s), people will become more entrenched in their positions. Not less. The Republican Party will never win over the majority of the black vote. Hitting 50% of the Latino vote is perhaps possible, but will require very specific sacrifices (which may or may not be critical). Those that agree with the party as it is, have already voted for us. Those that aren’t voting for us, require additional concessions. Maybe opening the border to Mexico completely, etc.

Trump, won the largest percentage of the minority vote for a republican in the past whatever years. Which is an extremely low bar since no Republican seems to get over like 15% of the African-American vote. It’s laughable as a strategy to think that increasing that by a relative 25% would even matter, but at the same time, I understand it’s rhetorical value. There are legitimate people on the other side that are allies and they should be protected. But let’s not delude ourselves to think we’re all gonna hold hands one day. It’s not gonna happen. The future is either perpetual opposing blocs of voters, or an eventual independence movement if hostilities ever increase.

I don’t agree, but that’s alright.

I’m not saying groups are a “problem”. Just that different groups have distinct group-interests and those aren’t always aligned.

As far as I’ve read, Orthodox Jewish adherents top out at 50% conservative, not as high as you’re implying (which is only a 20% minority of their population total).

And the only data I’ve seen on African American protestants is PEW, which says 90% of them were against Trump. Assuming that is as wrong as the polls were, and taking into account fraud, maybe that figure is actually 70%. It still means they’re majority against Trump as an electorate.

If the only people that are pro-Trump are the minority of their group which fits some narrow window of acceptability (true believers, etc), but the majority don’t fit the definition, then you and I are both correct. The segment of the most conservative group are on our side (your point). But the majority are against us (my point).

Re: ethnic conflict being invented by the left - the left plays up and exacerbates ethnic conflict, but the conflict exists because these groups have distinct and often conflicting interests, and thus support policies and politicians that benefit themselves but not other groups. For example, South Africa is redistributing farms from one ethnicity to another. Clearly one ethnicity is benefiting from that and one is losing. Future policies of ethnic wealth redistribution will have the same dynamics (and be masked by terms like reparations).

You will never have a situation where the left doesn’t exist. And you will never have a situation where underlying group interest conflict doesn’t exist. So I’m not sure in what universe you think that just vanishes and isn’t a critical dynamic. Just because you blame it on the Left, doesn’t make it go away. It’s a permanent part of our reality. There’s a reason countries came to exist with borders and separate languages after thousands of years of back and forth in places like Europe, Asia and Africa. Those underlying dynamics are the permanent reality, and right and left politics plays off of that. Whether you deem it moral or immoral, it continues to exist.

As the two sides increase in hostility to each other (as has happened since the 90’s), people will become more entrenched in their positions. Not less. The Republican Party will never win over the majority of the black vote. Hitting 50% of the Latino vote is perhaps possible, but will require very specific sacrifices (which may or may not be critical). Those that agree with the party as it is, have already voted for us. Those that aren’t voting for us, require additional concessions. Maybe opening the border to Mexico completely, etc.

Trump, won the largest percentage of the minority vote for a republican in the past whatever years. Which is an extremely low bar since no Republican seems to get over like 15% of their vote. It’s laughable as a strategy, but at the same time, I understand it’s value. There are legitimate people on the other side that are allies and they should be protected. But let’s not delude ourselves to think we’re all gonna hold hands one day. It’s not gonna happen. The future is either perpetual opposing voters, or eventual independence movements of hostilities ever increase.

I don’t agree, but that’s alright.

I’m not saying groups are a “problem”. Just that different groups have distinct group-interests and those aren’t always aligned.

As far as I’ve read, Orthodox Jewish adherents top out at 50% conservative, not as high as you’re implying (which is only a 20% minority of their population total).

And the only data I’ve seen on African American protestants is PEW, which says 90% of them were against Trump. Assuming that is as wrong as the polls were, and taking into account fraud, maybe that figure is actually 70%. It still means they’re majority against Trump as an electorate.

If the only people that are pro-Trump are the minority of their group which fits some narrow window of acceptability (true believers, etc), but the majority don’t fit the definition, then you and I are both correct. The segment of the most conservative group are on our side (your point). But the majority are against us (my point).

Re: ethnic conflict being invented by the left - the left plays up and exacerbates ethnic conflict, but the conflict exists because these groups have distinct and often conflicting interests, and thus support policies and politicians that benefit themselves but not other groups. For example, South Africa is redistributing farms from one ethnicity to another. Clearly one ethnicity is benefiting from that and one is losing. Future policies of ethnic wealth redistribution will have the same dynamics (and be masked by terms like reparations).

You will never have a situation where the left doesn’t exist. And you will never have a situation where underlying group interest conflict doesn’t exist. So I’m not sure in what universe you think that just vanishes and isn’t a critical dynamic. Just because you blame it on the Left, doesn’t make it go away. It’s a permanent part of our reality. There’s a reason countries came to exist with borders and separate languages after thousands of years of back and forth in places like Europe, Asia and Africa. Those underlying dynamics are the permanent reality, and right and left politics plays off of that. Whether you deem it moral or immoral, it continues to exist.

I don’t agree, but that’s alright.

I’m not saying groups are a “problem”. Just that different groups have distinct group-interests and those aren’t always aligned.

As far as I’ve read, Orthodox Jewish adherents top out at 50% conservative, not as high as you’re implying (which is only a 20% minority of their population total).

And the only data I’ve seen on African American protestants is PEW, which says 90% of them were against Trump. Assuming that is as wrong as the polls were, and taking into account fraud, maybe that figure is actually 70%. It still means they’re majority against Trump as an electorate.

If the only people that are pro-Trump are the minority of their group which fits some narrow window of acceptability (true believers, etc), but the majority don’t fit the definition, then you and I are both correct. The segment of the most conservative group are on our side (your point). But the majority are against us (my point).

Re: ethnic conflict being invented by the left - the left plays up and exacerbates ethnic conflict, but the conflict exists because these groups have distinct and often conflicting interests, and thus support policies and politicians that benefit themselves but not other groups. For example, South Africa is redistributing farms from one ethnicity to another. Clearly one ethnicity is benefiting from that and one is losing. Future policies of ethnic wealth redistribution will have the same dynamics (and be masked by terms like reparations).

You will never have a situation where the left doesn’t exist. And you will never have a situation where underlying group interest conflict doesn’t exist. So I’m not sure in what universe you think that just vanishes and isn’t a critical dynamic. Just because you blame it on the left, doesn’t make it go away.