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Very well worded (I've long dabbled in the realm you are speaking) except I would counter your "mindfuck" with this, hopefully calming, questioning:

If God was all powerful and all evil and good things we experience were designed to increase suffering (contrast) - why then does the world default to decay? The absence of action in this life results in good / usefulness / fufillment dwindling:

  1. Stop lifting weights? Muscles shrink back.
  2. Don't go to work? Stop getting paid.
  3. Don't plow the fields? Weeds grow not heads of cabbage.
  4. Stop enforcing the law? Criminals run wild.
  5. Don't take care of your teeth? They rot.

Etc. Why would a constant need to perservere / face adversity be needed to demonstrate contrast so suffering was deeper? Why not just make everything extremely easy?

You may then counter that well then that an "evil" God made us desire the satisfaction of rewarding work so that we can than be made to toil for ever and never reach satisfication in some sort of hell but now then are you not seeing the infantile nature of this line of thinking? If God can (which we must assume at face value for this topic) plant the inner concepts of desires / mental feedback does this whole thing not seem like a bunch of extra steps that are unneeded? Would an "all powerful" God waste his effort time / creation / power doing such things?

Now taking it all back a step to the higher picture let's flip it. Why then would an all powerful "good" God put us through this if he could just control our desires / mental feedback to make us want to do good? Well, my interpretation of the Holy Spirit is that he actually has. I believe our conscious is the Holy Spirit guiding us subtly to know what is right in God's eyes - this manifests itself in successful cultural norms that even most atheists accept as "right". Don't murder, don't steal, fight off addictions, etc. The important distinction is we are not robots though - you still have the choice to ignore such guidance though God very much does not want you to.

But I will stop here as we are getting into "initial sin" / knowldge / Adam talks as to why you can even choose to do sin / be evil. I will leave it with this for those still following who struggle with this part: If God is everything and good and if true praise (not shallow modern usage of the word - think deeper here, 'oneness') is his desire - would he want it to come from creations that had to or from creation that actively had to surpress a mountain of reason not to but still chose to? Does a merciless tyrant have more real power than a deeply loved President?

134 days ago
1 score
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Very well worded (I've long dabbled in the realm you are speaking) except I would counter your "mindfuck" with this, hopefully calming, questioning:

If God was all powerful and all evil and good things we experience were designed to increase suffering (contrast) - why then does the world default to decay? The absence of action in this life results in good / usefulness / fufillment dwindling:

  1. Stop lifting weights? Muscles shrink back.
  2. Don't go to work? Stop getting paid.
  3. Don't plow the fields? Weeds grow not heads of cabbage.
  4. Stop enforcing the law? Criminals run wild.
  5. Don't take care of your teeth? They rot.

Etc. Why would a constant need to perservere / face adversity be needed to demonstrate contrast so suffering was deeper? Why not just make everything extremely easy?

You may then counter that well then that an "evil" God made us desire the satisfaction of rewarding work so that we can than be made to toil for ever and never reach satisfication in some sort of hell but now then are you not seeing the infantile nature of this line of thinking? If God can (which we must assume at face value for this topic) plant the inner concepts of desires / mental feedback does this whole thing not seem like a bunch of extra steps that are unneeded? Would an "all powerful" God waste his effort time / creation / power doing such things?

Now taking it all back a step to the higher picture let's flip it. Why then would an all powerful "good" God put us through this if he could just control our desires / mental feedback to make us want to do good? Well, my interpretation of the Holy Spirit is that he actually has. I believe our conscious is the Holy Spirit guiding us subtly to know what is right in God's eyes - this manifests itself in successful cultural norms that even most athesists accept as "right". Don't murder, don't steal, fight off addictions, etc. The important distinction is we are not robots though - you still have the choice to ignore such guidance though God very much does not want you to.

But I will stop here as we are getting into "initial sin" / knowldge / Adam talks as to why you can even choose to do sin / be evil. I wil lleave it with this for those still following who struggle with this part: If God is everything and good and if true praise (not shallow modern usage of the word - think deeper here, 'oneness') is his desire - would he want it to come from creations that had to or from creation that actively had to surpress a mountain of reason not to but still chose to? Does a merciless tyrant have more real power than a deeply loved President?

134 days ago
1 score
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Very well worded (I've long dabbled in the realm you are speaking) except I would counter your "mindfuck" with this, hopefully calming, questioning:

If God was all powerful and all evil and good things we experience were designed to increase suffering (contrast) - why then does the world default to decay? The absence of action in this life results in good / usefulness / fufillment dwindling:

  1. Stop lifting weights? Muscles shrink back.
  2. Don't go to work? Stop getting paid.
  3. Don't plow the fields? Weeds grow not heads of cabbage.
  4. Stop enforcing the law? Criminals run wild.
  5. Don't take care of your teeth? They rot.

Etc. Why would a constant need to perservere / face adversity be needed to demonstrate contrast so suffering was deeper? Why not just make everything extremely easy?

You may then counter that well then that an "evil" God made us desire the satisfaction of rewarding work so that we can than be made to toil for every and never reach satisfication in some sort of hell but now then are you not seeing the infantile nature of this line of thinking? If God can (which we must assume at face value for this topic) plant the inner concepts of desires / mental feedback does this whole thing not seem like a bunch of extra steps that are unneeded? Would an "all powerful" God waste his effort time / creation / power doing such things?

Now taking it all back a step to the higher picture let's flip it. Why then would all powerful "good" God put us through this if he could just control our desires / mental feedback to make us want to do good? Well, my interpretation of the Holy Spirit is that he actually has. I believe our conscious is the Holy Spirit guiding us subtly to know what is right in God's eyes - this manifests itself in successful cultural norms that even most athesists accept as "right". Don't murder, don't steal, fight off addictions, etc. The important distinction is we are not robots though - you still have the choice to ignore such guidance though God very much does not want you to.

But I will stop here as we are getting into "initial sin" / knowldge / Adam talks as to why you can even choose to do sin / be evil. I wil lleave it with this for those still following who struggle with this part: If God is everything and good and if true praise (not shallow modern usage of the word - think deeper here, 'oneness') is his desire - would he want it to come from creations that had to or from creation that actively had to surpress a mountain of reason not to but still chose to? Does a merciless tyrant have more real power than a deeply loved President?

134 days ago
1 score