jomten: A Gang and a Militia are alot closer than just weapons and distrust of government.

As I mentioned before, their similarities end beyond the "armed groups" category. Going through your response, you actually built onto my argument regarding the differences between the two.

jomten: Theres a patriotism in gangs to their neighborhoods, their territory if you will. Their missions are different because their environments are different.

Identifying with one's community, and with neighborhoods, isn't the same thing as patriotism as exercised by the military and militias. Patriotism involves a love for one's countrymen and country. This entails support and belief in a philosophy that is shared not just in the immediate community but throughout the country.

Different communities and neighborhoods have their own nuances and differences when it comes to local neighborhood and community matters. If anything, this is akin to "tribalism". Members of a tribe, or a village, are going to have "patriotism" towards other members of the village/tribe.

Like the military, the militia also has a concept that involves God being above country, and country being above community... Even if this isn't stated.

jomten: A city controlled by democrats for decades is very different to rural America. Whereas a modern militiaman usually has a stable job and family structure, an "inner city" gang member typically has little in the way of job opportunity and a practically nonexistent family support network.

This is a big reason to why gangs and militia are different beyond being groups that are armed. Having a stable family structure, to include both parents influencing upbringing, and an extended family and community, will influence the ultimate thought process. The philosophy and mindset that results is going to be different from the one gained from the scenario that you described for the growing up environment for inner city gang members.

The upbringing in rural America, in "Red" America, creates someone that would more than likely join a militia. Their philosophy, for life, and for why they joined the militia, is going to be different from that of someone that joins a gang.

jomten: Gangs practice concealing their activities from the government. Gun control is rampant there, unconstitutional as it is. If Biden/Clinton/whoever instituted gun control and the SC continues to refuse to rule on it, all modern militias become "illegal" unless they just train with squirtguns.

Here's another reason to why gangs and militia are different beyond being armed groups. The militia is a part of natural law and can't be overturned by a law of man. We have a natural right to protect ourselves. This is one reason to why the 2nd Amendment is worded, "the right", followed by the right of the people to bear arms, followed by, "shall not be infringed".

The expressed purpose that the 2nd Amendment states for our need to bear arms? To have a well regulated (functioning) militia.

This right came from above, someone higher than the highest offices of the land. They would have to overturn religion, and cause those of us who are a part of religion to abandon religious/spiritual beliefs, for militias to be truly overturned.

Militias are tied to natural rights. Natural rights are given to us by God. There's no similar tie to gang membership or the purpose of gangs. Gangs serve their business objective, in a business that's normally illegal and not accepted by the United States population as a whole. Militias, for the most part, tie their existence to protecting our natural rights and ensuring that the government doesn't infringe on these natural rights.

jomten: Selling drugs as well is a big part of gang culture. We can debate the morality/legality of selling drugs, but the reason it becomes the business of choice for gangs is because its illegal which lowers competition, increases the profit margin, and it takes no initial investment to get started other than product, a scale, and sandwich bags.

Its that debate, regarding morality and legality, that contributes to the differences between gangs and militia beyond the fact that they're members of armed groups. Gangs pursue, and defend, an activity that's frowned upon by society both left and right. Militias are not always smiled upon by the public, and they're not always known by the public.

However, beyond the private militias, there is the statutory militia. Both the federal and state governments have identified an organized militia and a non-organized militia. The organized militia consists of the National Guard and the State Defense Force/State Guard. The unorganized militia consists of designated individuals, not in the military, national guard, or state defense force, who are of a certain age group.

These militias, organized and unorganized, are backed by federal and state law, and have a chain of command. The organized militia trains with state support. The unorganized militia, those who form private militias, train in private settings.

Their mission is to defend and support the constitution of their state and of the United States. This orientation contributes to the differences between gangs and militia.

jomten: Gang members also don't have stable leadership to keep their "soldiers" in check leading to alot more "senseless" violence.

Hence another difference between gangs and militias. Though not as disciplined as the regular military and organized militia, they do have their chain of command and organizational codes of conduct.

jomten: Leave a platoon of young soldiers with a rotating leadership. Whenever the leader becomes too effective he gets replaced, and that platoon will be a much higher risk for "war crimes".

Platoon leaders, usually a young Soldier fresh out of the Academy or ROTC, are there roughly two years, then rotates out or gets replaced sooner. Whether they get too effective or not is a non-issue. They rotate out in order to progress in their careers.

Each platoon consists of three rifle squads and a weapons squad. Each of these squads is broken down into two teams, each lead by a team leader. Additionally, there's a platoon sergeant.

The platoon sergeant is usually in his mid to late 30s. Each squad is lead by a squad leader, who's usually in their late 20s or early 30s. The team sergeants are usually in their mid to late 20s.

The platoon sergeant and squad leaders are usually older than the platoon leader. These folks usually stay in the platoon longer than the platoon sergeant does. So, when the platoon leader rotates out, there is enough discipline within the platoon to avoid committing war crimes (for the most part).

Even a private would keep someone in check if they started to stray away from what is expected of them. Discipline goes all the way down to the most junior man in the platoon. For the most part.

jomten: Gangs also include organized crime like the mafia. The mafia has been impossible to truly stamp out, because the community actually LIKES having the mafia around. If you want to gamble, get drugs,(including liqour during prohibition), get prostitutes, get a loan, or dodge taxes, the mafia filled that role.

This would be a better comparison to gangs... Mafias. I've seen how this arrangement worked overseas where the "mafia" included the government.

jomten: If push comes to shove and patriots end up in open combat with the CCP and their puppets, we will be branded as violent gangs at best, terrorist cells at worst.

This would naturally occur to any group that dares lift a hand against the leftist elites and their desires causes. For example, if most Latinos become conservative, and vote that way, they would be lumped together with Caucasians and demonized.

jomten: And at least some of mexican cartels are literally just mexican special forces that defected. (The Zetas, some Sinaloa cells). The American version of that would be even stronger than the mexican version.

The US Special forces, as well as US Army and Marine infantry units, would be able to crush a Mexican cartel consisting of former Mexican special forces. The Mexican military is mainly a force in garrison. They spend a lot of time doing administrative and housekeeping operations at their bases. Their training, in the field, would be comparable to the most active garrison-based training that the US military does.

Additionally, based on nearly two decades of recent wartime experience, American special forces, as well as the Marines and Army, engage in realistic combat training scenarios. This is done at the team level, squad level, platoon level, and up. The US military also trains more frequently.

If the Mexican cartels ever had to get into a combat engagement with the US military, they're going to be faced with realities that their actual fighting has not provided them. They're used to fighting a peer force. If they have to engage in combat against the US Military, they won't be having an opposition that fights like they do. They would end up facing their mortality as they see their buddies bodies drop to the ground in greater numbers and in quicker succession than what they're used to experiencing.

jomten: A Gang and a Militia are alot closer than just weapons and distrust of government.

As I mentioned before, their similarities end beyond the "armed groups" category. Going through your response, you actually built onto my argument regarding the differences between the two.

jomten: Theres a patriotism in gangs to their neighborhoods, their territory if you will. Their missions are different because their environments are different.

Identifying with one's community, and with neighborhoods, isn't the same thing as patriotism as exercised by the military and militias. Patriotism involves a love for one's countrymen and country. This entails support and belief in a philosophy that is shared not just in the immediate community but throughout the country.

Different communities and neighborhoods have their own nuances and differences when it comes to local neighborhood and community matters. If anything, this is akin to "tribalism". Members of a tribe, or a village, are going to have "patriotism" towards other members of the village/tribe.

Like the military, the militia also has a concept that involves God being above country, and country being above community... Even if this isn't stated.

jomten: A city controlled by democrats for decades is very different to rural America. Whereas a modern militiaman usually has a stable job and family structure, an "inner city" gang member typically has little in the way of job opportunity and a practically nonexistent family support network.

This is a big reason to why gangs and militia are different beyond being groups that are armed. Having a stable family structure, to include both parents influencing upbringing, and an extended family and community, will influence the ultimate thought process. The philosophy and mindset that results is going to be different from the one gained from the scenario that you described for the growing up environment for inner city gang members.

The upbringing in rural America, in "Red" America, creates someone that would more than likely join a militia. Their philosophy, for life, and for why they joined the militia, is going to be different from that of someone that joins a gang.

jomten: Gangs practice concealing their activities from the government. Gun control is rampant there, unconstitutional as it is. If Biden/Clinton/whoever instituted gun control and the SC continues to refuse to rule on it, all modern militias become "illegal" unless they just train with squirtguns.

Here's another reason to why gangs and militia are different beyond being armed groups. The militia is a part of natural law and can't be overturned by a law of man. We have a natural right to protect ourselves. This is one reason to why the 2nd Amendment is worded, "the right", followed by the right of the people to bear arms, followed by, "shall not be infringed".

The expressed purpose that the 2nd Amendment states for our need to bear arms? To have a well regulated (functioning) militia.

This right came from above, someone higher than the highest offices of the land. They would have to overturn religion, and cause those of us who are a part of religion to abandon religious/spiritual beliefs, for militias to be truly overturned.

Militias are tied to natural rights. Natural rights are given to us by God. There's no similar tie to gang membership or the purpose of gangs. Gangs serve their business objective, in a business that's normally illegal and not accepted by the United States population as a whole. Militias, for the most part, tie their existence to protecting our natural rights and ensuring that the government doesn't infringe on these natural rights.

jomten: Selling drugs as well is a big part of gang culture. We can debate the morality/legality of selling drugs, but the reason it becomes the business of choice for gangs is because its illegal which lowers competition, increases the profit margin, and it takes no initial investment to get started other than product, a scale, and sandwich bags.

Its that debate, regarding morality and legality, that contributes to the differences between gangs and militia beyond the fact that they're members of armed groups. Gangs pursue, and defend, an activity that's frowned upon by society both left and right. Militias are not always smiled upon by the public, and they're not always known by the public.

However, beyond the private militias, there is the statutory militia. Both the federal and state governments have identified an organized militia and a non-organized militia. The organized militia consists of the National Guard and the State Defense Force/State Guard. The unorganized militia consists of designated individuals, not in the military, national guard, or state defense force, who are of a certain age group.

These militias, organized and unorganized, are backed by federal and state law, and have a chain of command. The organized militia trains with state support. The unorganized militia, those who form private militias, train in private settings.

Their mission is to defend and support the constitution of their state and of the United States. This orientation contributes to the differences between gangs and militia.

jomten: Gang members also don't have stable leadership to keep their "soldiers" in check leading to alot more "senseless" violence.

Hence another difference between gangs and militias. Though not as disciplined as the regular military and organized militia, they do have their chain of command and organizational codes of conduct.

jomten: Leave a platoon of young soldiers with a rotating leadership. Whenever the leader becomes too effective he gets replaced, and that platoon will be a much higher risk for "war crimes".

I deployed to Iraq as an infantryman. Our platoon leaders, usually a young Soldier fresh out of the Academy or ROTC, are there roughly two years, then rotates out or gets replaced sooner. Whether they get too effective or not is a non-issue. They rotate out in order to progress in their careers.

Each platoon consists of three rifle squads and a weapons squad. Each of these squads is broken down into two fire teams, each lead by a fire team leader. Additionally, there's a platoon sergeant.

The platoon sergeant is usually in his mid to late 30s. Each squad is lead by a squad leader, who's usually in their late 20s or early 30s. The team sergeants are usually in their mid to late 20s.

The platoon sergeant and squad leaders are usually older than the platoon leader. These folks usually stay in the platoon longer than the platoon sergeant does. So, when the platoon leader rotates out, there is enough discipline within the platoon to avoid committing war crimes (for the most part).

Even a private would keep someone in check if they started to stray away from what is expected of them. Discipline goes all the way down to the most junior man in the platoon. For the most part.

jomten: Gangs also include organized crime like the mafia. The mafia has been impossible to truly stamp out, because the community actually LIKES having the mafia around. If you want to gamble, get drugs,(including liqour during prohibition), get prostitutes, get a loan, or dodge taxes, the mafia filled that role.

This would be a better comparison to gangs... Mafias. I've seen how this arrangement worked overseas where the "mafia" included the government.

jomten: If push comes to shove and patriots end up in open combat with the CCP and their puppets, we will be branded as violent gangs at best, terrorist cells at worst.

This would naturally occur to any group that dares lift a hand against the leftist elites and their desires causes. For example, if most Latinos become conservative, and vote that way, they would be lumped together with Caucasians and demonized.

jomten: And at least some of mexican cartels are literally just mexican special forces that defected. (The Zetas, some Sinaloa cells). The American version of that would be even stronger than the mexican version.

The US Special forces, as well as US Army and Marine infantry units, would be able to crush a Mexican cartel consisting of former Mexican special forces. The Mexican military is mainly a force in garrison. They spend a lot of time doing administrative and housekeeping operations at their bases. Their training, in the field, would be comparable to the most active garrison-based training that the US military does.

Additionally, based on nearly two decades of recent wartime experience, American special forces, as well as the Marines and Army, engage in realistic combat training scenarios. This is done at the team level, squad level, platoon level, and up. The US military also trains more frequently.

If the Mexican cartels ever had to get into a combat engagement with the US military, they're going to be faced with realities that their actual fighting has not provided them. They're used to fighting a peer force. If they have to engage in combat against the US Military, they won't be having an opposition that fights like they do. They would end up facing their mortality as they see their buddies bodies drop to the ground in greater numbers and in quicker succession than what they're used to experiencing.