Agreed, the problem is also that rather than men carrying the burden of maintain a safe and stable society, we pushed that duty onto women as well when they have their own role. This led to increasing moral degeneration and abandonment of the family. I think it will be looked back at as a cowardly and shameful moment in western history for men.

And for the record, MGTOW incel crowd are retarded. This is coming from a traditionalist POV.

Agreed, the problem is also that rather than men carrying the burden of maintain a safe, stable society, we pushed that duty onto women as well when they have their own role. This led to increasing moral degeneration and abandonment of the family. I think it will be looked back at as a cowardly and shameful moment in western history for men.

And for the record, MGTOW incel crowd are retarded. This is coming from a traditionalist POV.