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Hugs and well written and thank you for the writtings. Yes this whole fiasco could have been avoided many different ways; and I've usually laid them out at or beforehand as well.

there are already unconstitutional laws that have been passed and we are already functioning on a system that is no longer based in the constitution.

Yes, particularly bc the evil marxist written (and legislating from the bench) Ashwander Rules which tell the courts to violate their oaths to the Constitution and to the Court(profession of Law) and let these unconstitutional "laws" build up like barnicles on a hull.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashwander_rules

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and were refused to be heard both times.

Which is why, to challenge the Election/Elector Fraud/cheating required the WIN WIN Plan as the only real legal course of action which could get through the maze and minefield in time. Through the decades, the "laws" and the "caselaw" and other things, means there's not enough time, it's a system put in mostly by the Dems for many generations now, to make it easier for them to cheat.

WIN WIN here:

https://thedonald.win/p/11Q8EhtERu/for-everyone-who-wants-djtpence-/

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If they don't have the power, and the legislature DOES have the power, why didn't they support the legislatures cases and the courts to hear the cases?

So like the Austin Swamp Trojan Horse TX Case. Law shouldn't be about "popularity contests" or "like royal courts of olden times". As I spell out in my comment pre-Nov that there's different ways to construct a case; and realistically 99.99% of cases are built one way. Most lawyers will never built, write, or even really study a case written the other way.

To read the differences between Redpilled Strictly-Constitutional Legal grounds vs what most cases do, here's my comment Oct 29th:

https://thedonald.win/p/11PVyVHES9/x/c/19BaD16yMq

So it doesn't matter of "politicans" or "legislatures" or "hollywood celebs" supporting a lawsuit/case like that; that's all noise. Just as like using "censure" as a "punishment"; such thing doesn't exist in the American system because we are NOT a parliament, we are a Republic; and built upon English/American legal foundations. So getting upset over them not supporting the lawsuits, is like getting upset that the mayor of Mexico City didn't support it either; it's completely irrelevant and it's pure propaganda designed to do different things, including still make people upset.

Here's my showing how/why, the Austin TX AG lawsuit was a Trojan Horse (It ws also timed to suck all the oxygen out of the rooms, when that was the week State Legislatures had to do stuff; AND Mr. Austin Constitutional Law Professor Ted Cruz took over the KEY Penns lawsuit to "argue" it in front of the SCOTUS. This was all swamp coordinated inside and out to kill many very REAL chances to win Electors from many different political and legal avenues.):

https://thedonald.win/p/11QlTmdUij/breakdown-of-breitbart-article-o/

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This entire fiasco, literally could have been avoided, had the three most powerful Republicans--Trump, Pence, and McConnell--got together and put pressure on the court...

I don't mean to sound rude on this at all, but this is how many people imagine "political power" or "being in office" to be like; just as how most people "imagine what it's like to be (very) wealthy or famous"; but this is NOT how it works. This sentence you wrote is the EXACT opposite of how it works. This sentence is exactly why we have "separation of powers" as written into our US Constitution and our Republic's framework. The separation as well articulated by Montesquieu in his book The Spirit of Law

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montesquieu

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Spirit_of_Law

In the External links on the wikipage at the bottom, it has links to the pdf's and other file formats so can read it. I usually recommend this as one of the first things to read.

Very often (in the real world), the more (other branch political) 'pressure' put on a court, the more the court will resist in the OTHER direction (kind of like being stubborn to prove a point). It's extremely counter-productive (poltically and legally). In the "famous" cases like Roe v Wade where you'll see pictures of "activists" or politicians "putting pressure" on the court; that's just cover-noise, the (political) court was already going to issue its political ruling that way in the first place (hence why they chuse to take up that particular case, with the particular grounds, etc.) As I said in my legal-case comment above, that's the real Marbury v Madison appellate-game played (of move the goal-posts), not "judicial review" establishment, which was already established before the Constitution was even written.

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Also, the pressure on the court from BLM activists and rioting mobs was greater than the pressure from our side so the result is that WE don't get what WE want. There is one game that boils down here and it's power and we don't have it.

If you know real Lefties/marxists/Dems. And I mean on an up close inside level, as well as a "been fighting them for a long time, and know they enemy level"; you'd know that this sentence as you described it is really something different.

See what you describe is two different things; and the lefties make it appear as though they are the same, bc it projects like they have more power than they do. The BLM/rioting mobs serve it's own purposes for the lefties/commies. (a bit long to get into, but it includes showing that POTUS/Governors had no power and the rule of law doesn't apply to the Lefties, to recruit other criminals and fundraise from other criminals) but this doesn't pressure the courts, because see in the places they riot (as well as other places they dont) the Lefties/Dems/Commies ALREADY CONTROL THE COURTS and prosecutors (DAs/US ATTYs/AGs) and usually the other tools like the mayor/sherrif/localFIBoffice too. The fix is already in. But as you wrote in your sentence, the rioting HIDES/masks other FIXES they already have in at OTHER jurisidictions too. And see they don't have to control "all the judges" in most jurisdictions; just say the Admin judge that parcels out cases, etc. AND for over 20 years now more than half the judges are former D.A.s and then there's former LEOs too. So the "chips" and "favors" which have been had over previous years/careers get used "when it matters" eg like denying Election Lawsuits to be heard, or to let Dem/antifa/BLM rioters out.

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this ridiculous middle-of-the night counting for 4 days after etc etc.

See all these things should have been cleaned up before the 2018 midterms (and I said so back on TDspezdit) and I said again even on this accounts first POST on Oct 16th. https://thedonald.win/p/HrTaRe8O/-what-have-brought-our-country-t/

See all this nuts and bolts, Restoration of Election Integrity is a lot easier to do before Election Day and Before Election season; but DJT/The Campaign/The DOM/ The Pedes/ The Party/ The leadership/ etc. all never want to do much about it for all kinds of reasons (for decades), not all bad reasons either. This is the sort of "taking out the trash" type regular oil-change type Election activity which has to be done; and without good management, the grime builds up the trash builds up and the Dems get to cheat and win (they've been doing it for 150+ years, see Tammany Hall.)

So once Election Day comes, then these things become ACUTE; and again, everyone re-invents the wheel, starting at square one. Like I tried explaining to the Pedes doing the Data stuff on the Fraud (I've already done that, I explained it all; and I said it doesn't matter; because it's NOT a data/fraud problem; where's there's Dems there's cheating; it's a legal court strategy problem, and thus the WIN WIN plan outline.)

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I don't know if you're aware of this but Trump had terrible advisors and even some in the military openly admitted to lying to him so they could keep their troop numbers up. Trump NEVER had control of the FBI.

Exactly, this is one of the key top problems since 2015 to today in 2021. Like Bill Clinton going in and cleaning out all US Attys too. See, there's a two-fold problem as you might note in much of my comments. There's the marxism problem. And there's a corrupt problem. Or I usually write Commies & Criminals. The lawbreakers include many dirty bureaucrats, and republicans too that aren't marxists.

So for instance in my town, the "republicans" who are "sucessful" by "the party establishment" are corrupted particularly by land development deals. The Dems in my area are mostly marxists and criminals(of the government contract/graft and underground economy types). Trump didn't clean out enough of the Republican party or of the Bureaucracy of both these two-fold problems. This includes MOST IMPORTANTLY at DOJ & FBI; as welll as the separate intel agencies (which DJT seems to have done okay ish with).

Here's my: For a simple genuine, simple outline of how to reform The Bureau:

https://thedonald.win/p/Hrd197tR/x/c/19A0yBZg5x

Most people don't understand, the US Attys offices basically can't do anything without cases from the FBI. So it takes Making the FBI Great Again, to get much movement for the US Attys to be able to do their jobs. Obama's shadow WH, and Shillary/Bill and Bushes; never lost control of the FBI (or even the DOJ); because for some reason DJT didn't send in a "white knight" like Rudy to go in there and clean house starting "day one"; facing peachmints was the constant problem; but if that was going to be the case do it anyway and clean up the the Election Integrity before the 2018 midterms should have been the top priorities.

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They took an oath to uphold the constitution and they did not follow through on their oaths. You have to "break a few eggs to make an omelet." By not taking any stance on the issue of election fraud, they let the Democrats win and the Democrats are going scorched earth as they promised. They will pack the courts, end the filibuster, and do any other number of innumerable and irreversible changes to the constitution as they have been doing.

Yes the Lefties/Commies & Corrupt will be going full-speed ahead, it's going to go from 1933 Germany to 1938 very fast as I write here with some links to some of my other comments too.

https://thedonald.win/p/11SJjmMMMN/x/c/4DvlnSI4Ldl?d=50

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but to me and most people here your opinion isn't making a lot of sense.

I hope the above cleared more up rather than compounding my unclarity.

*hugs & Sorry if the above was too much, or full of too many redpills for one serving; sometimes my VSG, time-traveller, autist-type, kicks in too much :)

Look you clearly already have your mind made up about this and seem researched enough about law which is an area I'm interested in too.

Don't forget to at least read the 3rd link up top, describing difference in way cases are written/researched/etc. and I do thank you again for your insight and helping/sharing your feedback and critque. Msg anytime. (sorry for typos)

2 days ago
1 score
Reason: Original

Hugs and well written and thank you for the writtings. Yes this whole fiasco could have been avoided many different ways; and I've usually laid them out at or beforehand as well.

there are already unconstitutional laws that have been passed and we are already functioning on a system that is no longer based in the constitution.

Yes, particularly bc the evil marxist written (and legislating from the bench) Ashwander Rules which tell the courts to violate their oaths to the Constitution and to the Court(profession of Law) and let these unconstitutional "laws" build up like barnicles on a hull.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashwander_rules

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and were refused to be heard both times.

Which is why, to challenge the Election/Elector Fraud/cheating required the WIN WIN Plan as the only real legal course of action which could get through the maze and minefield in time. Through the decades, the "laws" and the "caselaw" and other things, means there's not enough time, it's a system put in mostly by the Dems for many generations now, to make it easier for them to cheat.

WIN WIN here:

https://thedonald.win/p/11Q8EhtERu/for-everyone-who-wants-djtpence-/

...

If they don't have the power, and the legislature DOES have the power, why didn't they support the legislatures cases and the courts to hear the cases?

So like the Austin Swamp Trojan Horse TX Case. Law shouldn't be about "popularity contests" or "like royal courts of olden times". As I spell out in my comment pre-Nov that there's different ways to construct a case; and realistically 99.99% of cases are built one way. Most lawyers will never built, write, or even really study a case written the other way.

To read the differences between Redpilled Strictly-Constitutional Legal grounds vs what most cases do, here's my comment Oct 29th:

https://thedonald.win/p/11PVyVHES9/x/c/19BaD16yMq

So it doesn't matter of "politicans" or "legislatures" or "hollywood celebs" supporting a lawsuit/case like that; that's all noise. Just as like using "censure" as a "punishment"; such thing doesn't exist in the American system because we are NOT a parliament, we are a Republic; and built upon English/American legal foundations. So getting upset over them not supporting the lawsuits, is like getting upset that the mayor of Mexico City didn't support it either; it's completely irreevant and it's pure propaganda designed to do different things, including still make people upset.

Here's my showing how/why, the Austin TX AG lawsuit was a Trojan Horse (It ws also timed to suck all the oxygen out of the rooms, when that was the week State Legislatures had to do stuff; AND Mr. Austin Constitutional Law Professor Ted Cruz took over the KEY Penns lawsuit to "argue" it in front of the SCOTUS. This was all swamp coordinated inside and out to kill many very REAL chances to win Electors from many different political and legal avenues.):

https://thedonald.win/p/11QlTmdUij/breakdown-of-breitbart-article-o/

...

This entire fiasco, literally could have been avoided, had the three most powerful Republicans--Trump, Pence, and McConnell--got together and put pressure on the court...

I don't mean to sound rude on this at all, but this is how many people imagine "political power" or "being in office" to be like; just as how most people "imagine what it's like to be (very) wealthy or famous"; but this is NOT how it works. This sentence you wrote is the EXACT opposite of how it works. This sentence is exactly why we have "separation of powers" as written into our US Constitution and our Republic's framework. The separation as well articulated by Montesque in his book The Spirit of the Law

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montesquieu

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Spirit_of_Law

In the External links on the wikipage at the bottom, it has links to the pdf's and other file formats so can read it. I usually recommend this as one of the first things to read.

Very often, the more 'pressure' put on a court, the more the court will resist in the OTHER direction (kind of like being stubborn to prove a point).

...

Also, the pressure on the court from BLM activists and rioting mobs was greater than the pressure from our side so the result is that WE don't get what WE want. There is one game that boils down here and it's power and we don't have it.

If you know Lefties/marxists/Dems. And I mean on an up close inside level, as well as a "been fighting them for a long time, and know they enemy level"; you'd know that this sentence as you described it is really something different.

See what you describe is two different things; and the lefties make it appear as though they are the same, bc it projects like they have more power than they do. The BLM/rioting mobs serve it's own purposes for the lefties/commies. (a bit long to get into, but it includes showing that POTUS had no power and the rule of law doesn't apply to them, to recruit other criminals and fundraise from other criminals) but this doesn't pressure the courts, because see in the places they riot (as well as other places they dont) the Lefties/Dems/Commies ALREADY CONTROL THE COURTS and prosecutors (DAs/US ATTYs/AGs) and usually the other tools like the mayor/sherrif/localFIBoffice too. The fix is already in. But as you wrote in your sentence, the rioting HIDES/masks other FIXES they already have in at OTHER jurisidictions too.

...

this ridiculous middle-of-the night counting for 4 days after etc etc.

See all these things should have been cleaned up before the 2018 midterms (and I said so back on TDspezdit) and I said again even on this accounts first POST on Oct 16th. https://thedonald.win/p/HrTaRe8O/-what-have-brought-our-country-t/

See all this nuts and bolts, Restoration of Election Integrity is a lot easier to do before Election Day and Before Election season; but DJT/The Campaign/The DOM/ The Pedes/ The Party/ The leadership/ etc. all never want to do much about it for all kinds of reasons (for decades), not all bad reasons either. This is the sort of "taking out the trash" type regular Election activity which has to be done; and without good management, the grime builds up the trash builds up and the Dems get to cheat and win (they've been doing it for 150+ years, see Tammany Hall.)

So once Election Day comes, then these things become ACUTE; and again, everyone re-invents the wheel, starting at square one. Like I tried explaining to the Pedes doing the Data stuff on the Fraud (I've already done that, I explained it all; and I said it doesn't matter; because it's NOT a data/fraud problem it's a legal court strategy problem, and thus the WIN WIN plan outline.)

...

I don't know if you're aware of this but Trump had terrible advisors and even some in the military openly admitted to lying to him so they could keep their troop numbers up. Trump NEVER had control of the FBI.

Exactly, this is one of the key top problems since 2015 to today in 2021. Like Bill Clinton going in and cleaning out all US Attys too. See, there's a two-fold problem as you might not in much of my comments. There's the marxism problem. And there's a corrupt problem. Or I usually write Commies & Criminals. The lawbreakers include many dirty bureaucrats, and republicans too that aren't marxists. So for instance in my town, the "republicans" who are "sucessful" by "the party establishment" are corrupted by particularly land development deals. The Dems in my area are mostly marxists and criminals(of the government contract/graft and underground economy types). Trump didn't clean out enough of the Republican party or of the Bureaucracy of both these two-fold problems. This includes MOST IMPORTANTLY at DOJ & FBI; as welll as the separate intel agencies (which DJT seems to have done okay ish with).

Here's my: For a simple genuine, simple outline of how to reform The Bureau:

https://thedonald.win/p/Hrd197tR/x/c/19A0yBZg5x

Most people don't understand, the US Attys offices basically can't do anything without cases from the FBI. So it takes Making the FBI Great Again, to get much movement for the US Attys to be able to do their jobs. Obama's shadow WH, and Shillary/Bill and Bushes; never lost control of the FBI (or even the DOJ); because for some reason DJT didn't send in a "white knight" like Rudy to go in there and clean house starting "day one"; facing peachmints was the constant problem; but if that was going to be the case do it anyway and clean up the the Election Integrity before the 2018 midterms should have been the top priorities.

...

They took an oath to uphold the constitution and they did not follow through on their oaths. You have to "break a few eggs to make an omelet." By not taking any stance on the issue of election fraud, they let the Democrats win and the Democrats are going scorched earth as they promised. They will pack the courts, end the filibuster, and do any other number of innumerable and irreversible changes to the constitution as they have been doing.

Yes the Lefties/Commies & Corrupt will be going full-speed ahead, it's going to go from 1933 Germany to 1938 very fast as I write here with some links to some of my other comments too.

https://thedonald.win/p/11SJjmMMMN/x/c/4DvlnSI4Ldl?d=50

...

but to me and most people here your opinion isn't making a lot of sense.

I hope the above cleared more up rather than compounding my unclarity.

*hugs & Sorry if the above was too much, or full of too many redpills for one serving; sometimes my VSG, time-traveller, autist-type, kicks in too much :)

Look you clearly already have your mind made up about this and seem researched enough about law which is an area I'm interested in too.

Don't forget to at least read the 3rd link up top, describing difference in way cases are written/researched/etc. and I do thank you again for your insight and helping/sharing your feedback and critque. Msg anytime.

2 days ago
1 score