I see you and HE111 both talk about your own views, instead of addressing the problem with atheism as a movement or a church.

The way I see it, the church doctrines of various Christian churches, and especially the Roman Catholic Church, function like a "constitution" of Western culture. If you take that away, all you are left with is anarchy. And that's the fruit of secularism. That's what you can see take place in society. Atheism is key to that.

I think you do need a God. Otherwise you have no leg to stand on. You can't draw authoritative arguments from any source. You just say that murder is wrong, "because we cherish our own lives and the lives of our family and we are devastated when someone passes". That's just your opinion. Someone else might have a different opinion.

It's anarchy.

I see you and HE111 both talk about your own views, instead of addressing the problem with atheism as a movement or a church.

The way I see it, the church doctrines of various Christian churches, and especially the Roman Catholic Church, function like a "constitution" of Western culture. If you take that away, all you are left with is anarchy. And that's the fruit of secularism. That's what you can see take place in society. Atheism is key to that.

I think you do need a God. Otherwise you have no leg to stand on. You can't draw authoritative arguments from any source. You just say that murder is wrong. That's just your opinion. Someone else might have a different opinion.

It's anarchy.