Hello u/WillyP702!
WEll to be fair this is different. Hitler didn't have any good excuses to do the messed shit he did. Some people even in SD think COVID IS VERY REAL and if they takee off their masks they are going to hurt someone. So in my opinion this is a different story.
Oh for sure, there are definitely a lot of differences between the two situations. My apologies if it came across like I was downplaying or belittling those atrocities. On the matter of human judgment and social pressure, etc, there may still be some interesting parallels we can draw. Because, unfortunately, it doesn't seem like having "good excuses" is a prerequisite for mass delusions and societal allowances.
For example, is it entirely possible that Hitler propagandized a certain worldview to the German citizens? Is it possible there were some people who legitimately believed the racial doctrines he was espousing? That some people did convince themselves of superior/inferior races, etc? Whom, over time, developed a "real" and deep-seated aversion to certain peoples? To the point of violence?
If so, in some ways that may not be too dissimilar from people in America buying wholesale the narratives of the media and medical elites commonly cited throughout much of the mainstream media today. When I take a look at what's going on in the streets today, I regularly see the Antifa thugs completely dehumanizing Trump supporters.
(EDIT: On the flip-side, I've also heard there were many in Germany at the time who believed the holocaust was NOT happening, that it was an elaborate foreign disinformation campaign to create distrust, etc. The point being that, in the moment, rarely are things as black and white as they may seem in hindsight.)
Now I may be wrong (it wouldn't be the first time!), but there may be similarities in psychology behind today's extremes and those of Germany in the 30's-40's . Even if the physical outcomes/situations are quite different, maybe a lot can be learned in comparing what goes on "between the ears" of people in response to authority back then vs today?
That's more what I was trying to get at...
It's easy to convince ourselves that "they" were stupid and evil for not revolting with every fibre of their beings. But there are compelling studies and observations that indicate we're actually not so different. And that, in the face of "similar" pressures and situations, the wide majority of people generally respond in the same manner. The percentage of people that actively swim against the tide when their lives and livelihoods are on the line are exceedingly rare throughout the whole of history.
EDIT: A very compelling book I read not too long ago that got me interested in this topic again was
Ordinary Men
that goes in detail about the psychological ins and outs surrounding the creation and maintenance of polish death squads. A real eye-opener in so many ways, though so very tragic and haunting.
EDIT2: Just found an audio reading in case some prefer that format
Hello u/WillyP702!
WEll to be fair this is different. Hitler didn't have any good excuses to do the messed shit he did. Some people even in SD think COVID IS VERY REAL and if they takee off their masks they are going to hurt someone. So in my opinion this is a different story.
Oh for sure, there are definitely a lot of differences between the two situations. My apologies if it came across like I was downplaying or belittling those atrocities. On the matter of human judgment and social pressure, etc, there may still be some interesting parallels we can draw. Because, unfortunately, it doesn't seem like having "good excuses" is a prerequisite for mass delusions and societal allowances.
For example, is it entirely possible that Hitler propagandized a certain worldview to the German citizens? Is it possible there were some people who legitimately believed the racial doctrines he was espousing? That some people did convince themselves of superior/inferior races, etc? Whom, over time, developed a "real" and deep-seated aversion to certain peoples? To the point of violence?
If so, in some ways that may not be too dissimilar from people in America buying wholesale the narratives of the media and medical elites commonly cited throughout much of the mainstream media today. When I take a look at what's going on in the streets today, I regularly see the Antifa thugs completely dehumanizing Trump supporters.
(EDIT: On the flip-side, I've also heard there were many in Germany at the time who believed the holocaust was NOT happening, that it was an elaborate foreign disinformation campaign to create distrust, etc. The point being that, in the moment, rarely are things as black and white as they may seem in hindsight.)
Now I may be wrong (it wouldn't be the first time!), but there may be similarities in psychology behind today's extremes and those of Germany in the 30's-40's . Even if the physical outcomes/situations are quite different, maybe a lot can be learned in comparing what goes on "between the ears" of people in response to authority back then vs today?
That's more what I was trying to get at...
It's easy to convince ourselves that "they" were stupid and evil for not revolting with every fibre of their beings. But there are compelling studies and observations that indicate we're actually not so different. And that, in the face of "similar" pressures and situations, the wide majority of people generally respond in the same manner. The percentage of people that actively swim against the tide when their lives and livelihoods are on the line are exceedingly rare throughout the whole of history.
EDIT: A very compelling book I read not too long ago that got me interested in this topic again was
Ordinary Men
that goes in detail about the psychological ins and outs surrounding the creation and maintenance of polish death squads. A real eye-opener in so many ways.
EDIT2: Just found an audio reading in case some prefer that format
Hello u/WillyP702!
WEll to be fair this is different. Hitler didn't have any good excuses to do the messed shit he did. Some people even in SD think COVID IS VERY REAL and if they takee off their masks they are going to hurt someone. So in my opinion this is a different story.
Oh for sure, there are definitely a lot of differences between the two situations. My apologies if it came across like I was downplaying or belittling those atrocities. On the matter of human judgment and social pressure, etc, there may still be some interesting parallels we can draw. Because, unfortunately, it doesn't seem like having "good excuses" is a prerequisite for mass delusions and societal allowances.
For example, is it entirely possible that Hitler propagandized a certain worldview to the German citizens? Is it possible there were some people who legitimately believed the racial doctrines he was espousing? That some people did convince themselves of superior/inferior races, etc? Whom, over time, developed a "real" and deep-seated aversion to certain peoples? To the point of violence?
If so, in some ways that may not be too dissimilar from people in America buying wholesale the narratives of the media and medical elites commonly cited throughout much of the mainstream media today. When I take a look at what's going on in the streets today, I regularly see the Antifa thugs completely dehumanizing Trump supporters.
(EDIT: On the flip-side, I've also heard there were many in Germany at the time who believed the holocaust was NOT happening, that it was an elaborate foreign disinformation campaign to create distrust, etc. The point being that, in the moment, rarely are things as black and white as they may seem in hindsight.)
Now I may be wrong (it wouldn't be the first time!), but there may be similarities in psychology behind today's extremes and those of Germany in the 30's-40's . Even if the physical outcomes/situations are quite different, maybe a lot can be learned in comparing what goes on "between the ears" of people in response to authority back then vs today?
That's more what I was trying to get at...
It's easy to convince ourselves that "they" were stupid and evil for not revolting with every fibre of their beings. But there are compelling studies and observations that indicate we're actually not so different. And that, in the face of "similar" pressures and situations, the wide majority of people generally respond in the same manner. The percentage of people that actively swim against the tide when their lives and livelihoods are on the line are exceedingly rare throughout the whole of history.
EDIT: A very compelling book I read not too long ago that got me interested in this topic again was
Ordinary Men
that goes in detail about the psychological ins and outs surrounding the creation and maintenance of polish death squads. A real eye-opener in so many ways.
Hello u/WillyP702!
WEll to be fair this is different. Hitler didn't have any good excuses to do the messed shit he did. Some people even in SD think COVID IS VERY REAL and if they takee off their masks they are going to hurt someone. So in my opinion this is a different story.
Oh for sure, there are definitely a lot of differences between the two situations. My apologies if it came across like I was downplaying or belittling those atrocities. On the matter of human judgment and social pressure, etc, there may still be some interesting parallels we can draw. Because, unfortunately, it doesn't seem like having "good excuses" is a prerequisite for mass delusions and societal allowances.
For example, is it entirely possible that Hitler propagandized a certain worldview to the German citizens? Is it possible there were some people who legitimately believed the racial doctrines he was espousing? That some people did convince themselves of superior/inferior races, etc? Whom, over time, developed a "real" and deep-seated aversion to certain peoples? To the point of violence?
If so, in some ways that may not be too dissimilar from people in America buying wholesale the narratives of the media and medical elites commonly cited throughout much of the mainstream media today. When I take a look at what's going on in the streets today, I regularly see the Antifa thugs completely dehumanizing Trump supporters.
(EDIT: On the flip-side, I've also heard there were many in Germany at the time who believed the holocaust was NOT happening, that it was an elaborate foreign disinformation campaign to create distrust, etc. The point being that, in the moment, rarely are things as black and white as they may seem in hindsight.)
Now I may be wrong (it wouldn't be the first time!), but there may be similarities in psychology behind today's extremes and those of Germany in the 30's-40's . Even if the physical outcomes/situations are quite different, maybe a lot can be learned in comparing what goes on "between the ears" of people in response to authority back then vs today?
That's more what I was trying to get at...
It's easy to convince ourselves that "they" were stupid and evil for not revolting with every fibre of their beings. But there are compelling studies and observations that indicate we're actually not so different. And that, in the face of "similar" pressures and situations, the wide majority of people generally respond in the same manner. The percentage of people that actively swim against the tide when their lives and livelihoods are on the line are exceedingly rare throughout the whole of history.
EDIT: A very compelling book I read not too long ago that got me interested in this topic again was Ordinary Men that goes in detail about the psychological ins and outs surrounding the creation and maintenance of polish death squads. A real eye-opener in so many ways.
Hello u/WillyP702!
WEll to be fair this is different. Hitler didn't have any good excuses to do the messed shit he did. Some people even in SD think COVID IS VERY REAL and if they takee off their masks they are going to hurt someone. So in my opinion this is a different story.
Oh for sure, there are definitely a lot of differences between the two situations. My apologies if it came across like I was downplaying or belittling those atrocities. On the matter of human judgment and social pressure, etc, there may still be some interesting parallels we can draw. Because, unfortunately, it doesn't seem like having "good excuses" is a prerequisite for mass delusions and societal allowances.
For example, is it entirely possible that Hitler propagandized a certain worldview to the German citizens? Is it possible there were some people who legitimately believed the racial doctrines he was espousing? That some people did convince themselves of superior/inferior races, etc? Whom, over time, developed a "real" and deep-seated aversion to certain peoples? To the point of violence?
If so, in some ways that may not be too dissimilar from people in America buying wholesale the narratives of the media and medical elites commonly cited throughout much of the mainstream media today. When I take a look at what's going on in the streets today, I regularly see the Antifa thugs completely dehumanizing Trump supporters.
(EDIT: On the flip-side, I've also heard there were many in Germany at the time who believed the holocaust was NOT happening, that it was an elaborate foreign disinformation campaign to create distrust, etc. The point being that, in the moment, rarely are things as black and white as they may seem in hindsight.)
Now I may be wrong (it wouldn't be the first time!), but there may be similarities in psychology behind today's extremes and those of Germany in the 30's-40's . Even if the physical outcomes/situations are quite different, maybe a lot can be learned in comparing what goes on "between the ears" of people in response to authority back then vs today?
That's more what I was trying to get at...
It's easy to convince ourselves that "they" were stupid and evil for not revolting with every fibre of their beings. But there are compelling studies and observations that indicate we're actually not so different. And that, in the face of "similar" pressures and situations, the wide majority of people generally respond in the same manner. The percentage of people that actively swim against the tide when their lives and livelihoods are on the line are exceedingly rare throughout the whole of history.
EDIT: A very compelling book I read not too long ago that got me interested in this topic again was Ordinary Men that goes in detail about the psychological ins and outs surrounding the creation and maintenance of polish death squads. A real eye-opener in so many ways.
Hello u/WillyP702!
WEll to be fair this is different. Hitler didn't have any good excuses to do the messed shit he did. Some people even in SD think COVID IS VERY REAL and if they takee off their masks they are going to hurt someone. So in my opinion this is a different story.
Oh for sure, there are definitely a lot of differences between the two situations. My apologies if it came across like I was downplaying or belittling those atrocities. On the matter of human judgment and social pressure, etc, there may still be some interesting parallels we can draw. Because, unfortunately, it doesn't seem like having "good excuses" is a prerequisite for mass delusions and societal allowances.
For example, is it entirely possible that Hitler propagandized a certain worldview to the German citizens? Is it possible there were some people who legitimately believed the racial doctrines he was espousing? That some people did convince themselves of superior/inferior races, etc? Whom, over time, developed a "real" and deep-seated aversion to certain peoples? To the point of violence?
If so, in some ways that may not be too dissimilar from people in America buying wholesale the narratives of the media and medical elites commonly cited throughout much of the mainstream media today. When I take a look at what's going on in the streets today, I regularly see the Antifa thugs completely dehumanizing Trump supporters.
(EDIT: On the flip-side, I've also heard there were many in Germany at the time who believed the holocaust was NOT happening, that it was an elaborate foreign disinformation campaign to create distrust, etc. The point being that, in the moment, rarely are things as black and white as they may seem in hindsight.)
Now I may be wrong (it wouldn't be the first time!), but there may be similarities in psychology behind today's extremes and those of Germany in the 30's-40's . Even if the physical outcomes/situations are quite different, maybe a lot can be learned in comparing what goes on "between the ears" of people in response to authority back then vs today?
That's more what I was trying to get at...
It's easy to convince ourselves that "they" were stupid and evil for not revolting with every fibre of their beings. But there are compelling studies and observations that indicate we're actually not so different. And that, in the face of "similar" pressures and situations, the wide majority of people generally respond in the same manner. The percentage of people that actively swim against the tide when their lives and livelihoods are on the line are exceedingly rare throughout the whole of history.
Hello u/WillyP702!
WEll to be fair this is different. Hitler didn't have any good excuses to do the messed shit he did. Some people even in SD think COVID IS VERY REAL and if they takee off their masks they are going to hurt someone. So in my opinion this is a different story.
Oh for sure, there are definitely a lot of differences between the two situations. My apologies if it came across like I was downplaying or belittling those atrocities. On the matter of human judgment and social pressure, etc, there may still be some interesting parallels we can draw. Because, unfortunately, it doesn't seem like having "good excuses" is a prerequisite for mass delusions and societal allowances.
For example, is it entirely possible that Hitler propagandized a certain worldview to the German citizens? Is it possible there were some people who legitimately believed the racial doctrines he was espousing? That some people did convince themselves of superior/inferior races, etc? Whom, over time, developed a "real" and deep-seated aversion to certain peoples? To the point of violence?
If so, in some ways that may not be too dissimilar from people in America buying wholesale the narratives of the media and medical elites commonly cited throughout much of the mainstream media today. When I take a look at what's going on in the streets today, I regularly see the Antifa thugs completely dehumanizing Trump supporters.
(EDIT: On the flip-side, I've also heard there were many in Germany at the time who believed the holocaust was NOT happening, that it was an elaborate foreign disinformation campaign to create distrust, etc. The point being that, in the moment, rarely are things as black and white as they may seem in hindsight.)
To me, it seems the psychology behind today's extremes and those of the 30's-40's are quite similar. Even if the physical outcomes are different, maybe a lot can be learned in comparing what goes on "between the ears" of people in response to authority back then vs today?
That's more what I was trying to get at... It's easy to convince ourselves that "they" were stupid and evil for not revolting with every fibre of their beings. But there are compelling studies and observations that indicate we're actually not so different. And that, in the face of "similar" pressures and situations, people generally respond in the same way. The percentage of people that do actively swim against the tide are exceedingly rare throughout the whole of history when their lives and livelihoods are on the line.
Hello u/WillyP702!
WEll to be fair this is different. Hitler didn't have any good excuses to do the messed shit he did. Some people even in SD think COVID IS VERY REAL and if they takee off their masks they are going to hurt someone. So in my opinion this is a different story.
Oh for sure, there are definitely a lot of differences between the two situations. My apologies if it came across like I was downplaying or belittling those atrocities. On the matter of human judgment and social pressure, etc, there may still be some interesting parallels we can draw. Because, unfortunately, it doesn't seem like having "good excuses" is a prerequisite for mass delusions and societal allowances.
For example, is it entirely possible that Hitler propagandized a certain worldview to the German citizens? Is it possible there were some people who legitimately believed the racial doctrines he was espousing? That some people did convince themselves of superior/inferior races, etc? Whom, over time, developed a "real" and deep-seated aversion to certain peoples? To the point of violence?
If so, in some ways that may not be too dissimilar from people in America buying wholesale the narratives of the media and medical elites commonly cited throughout much of the mainstream media today. When I take a look at what's going on in the streets today, I regularly see the Antifa thugs completely dehumanizing Trump supporters.
(EDIT: On the flip-side, I've also heard there were many in Germany at the time who believed the holocaust was NOT happening, that it was an elaborate foreign disinformation campaign to create distrust, etc. The point being that, in the moment, rarely are things as black and white as they may seem in hindsight.)
To me, it seems the psychology behind today's extremes and those of the 30's-40's are quite similar. Even if the physical outcomes are different, maybe a lot can be learned in comparing what goes on "between the ears" of people in response to authority back then vs today?
That's more what I was trying to get at... It's easy to convince ourselves that "they" were stupid and evil for not revolting with every fibre of their beings. But there are compelling studies and observations that indicate we're actually not so different. And that, in the face of "similar" pressures and situations, people generally respond in the same way. The percentage of people that do actively swim against the tide are exceedingly rare throughout the whole of history.
Hello u/WillyP702!
WEll to be fair this is different. Hitler didn't have any good excuses to do the messed shit he did. Some people even in SD think COVID IS VERY REAL and if they takee off their masks they are going to hurt someone. So in my opinion this is a different story.
Oh for sure, there are definitely a lot of differences between the two situations. My apologies if it came across like I was downplaying or belittling those atrocities. On the matter of human judgment and social pressure, etc, there may still be some interesting parallels we can draw. Because, unfortunately, it doesn't seem like having "good excuses" is a prerequisite for mass delusions and societal allowances.
For example, is it entirely possible that Hitler propagandized a certain worldview to the German citizens? Is it possible there were some people who legitimately believed the racial doctrines he was espousing? That some people did convince themselves of superior/inferior races, etc? Whom, over time, developed a "real" and deep-seated aversion to certain peoples? To the point of violence?
If so, in some ways that may not be too dissimilar from people in America buying wholesale the narratives of the media and medical elites commonly cited throughout much of the mainstream media today. When I take a look at what's going on in the streets today, I regularly see the Antifa thugs completely dehumanizing Trump supporters.
(EDIT: On the flip-side, I've also heard there were many in Germany at the time who believed the holocaust was NOT happening, that it was an elaborate foreign disinformation campaign to create distrust, etc. The point being that, in the moment, rarely are things as black and white as they may seem in hindsight.)
To me, it seems the psychology behind today's extremes and those of the 30's-40's are quite similar. Even if the physical outcomes are different, maybe a lot can be learned in comparing what goes on "between the ears" of people in response to authority back then vs today?
That's more what I was trying to get at...
Hello u/WillyP702!
WEll to be fair this is different. Hitler didn't have any good excuses to do the messed shit he did. Some people even in SD think COVID IS VERY REAL and if they takee off their masks they are going to hurt someone. So in my opinion this is a different story.
Oh for sure, there are definitely a lot of differences between the two situations. My apologies if it came across like I was downplaying or belittling those atrocities. On the matter of human judgment and social pressure, etc, there may still be some interesting parallels we can draw. Because, unfortunately, it doesn't seem like having "good excuses" is a prerequisite for mass delusions and societal allowances.
For example, is it entirely possible that Hitler propagandized a certain worldview to the German citizens? Is it possible there were some people who legitimately believed the racial doctrines he was espousing? That some people did convince themselves of superior/inferior races, etc? Whom, over time, developed a "real" and deep-seated aversion to certain peoples? To the point of violence?
If so, in some ways that may not be too dissimilar from people in America buying wholesale the narratives of the media and medical elites commonly cited throughout much of the mainstream media today. When I take a look at what's going on in the streets today, I regularly see the Antifa thugs completely dehumanizing Trump supporters.
To me, it seems the psychology behind today's extremes and those of the 30's-40's are quite similar. Even if the physical outcomes are different, maybe a lot can be learned in comparing what goes on "between the ears" of people in response to authority back then vs today?
That's more what I was trying to get at...